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Title: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: aaa on Thu 20 May 2021 09:14
Arsenal (First Team) v Brighton & Hove Albion FC (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Moss, Jonathan
Assistant Referee: Perry, Marc
Assistant Referee: Wood, Timothy
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Video Assistant Referee: Hooper, Simon
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Eaton, Derek

Aston Villa FC (First Team) v Chelsea (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Attwell, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Long, Simon
Assistant Referee: Davies, Neil
Fourth Official: Robinson, Tim
Video Assistant Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Child, Stephen

Fulham (First Team) v Newcastle United FC (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Kavanagh, Chris
Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
Assistant Referee: Massey-Ellis, Sian
Fourth Official: Linington, James
Video Assistant Referee: Jones, Robert
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Holmes, Adrian

Leeds United AFC (First Team) v West Bromwich Albion FC (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Coote, David
Assistant Referee: Hopton, Nick
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Fourth Official: Bond, Darren
Video Assistant Referee: Scott, Graham
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Robathan, Daniel

Leicester City FC (First Team) v Tottenham Hotspur (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Taylor, Anthony
Assistant Referee: Beswick, Gary Nunn, Adam
Assistant Referee: Nunn, Adam Scholes, Mark
Fourth Official: Stroud, Keith
Video Assistant Referee: Bankes, Peter
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Betts, Lee

Liverpool FC (First Team) v Crystal Palace FC (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Marriner, Andre  Pawson, Craig
Assistant Referee: West, Richard
Assistant Referee: Ledger, Scott
Fourth Official: Harrington, Tony
Video Assistant Referee: Tierney, Paul
 Additional Video Assistant Referee: Smart, Edward

Manchester City FC (First Team) v Everton FC (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Oliver, Michael
Assistant Referee: Burt, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Bennett, Simon
Fourth Official: Salisbury, Michael
Video Assistant Referee: England, Darren
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Halliday, Andrew

Sheffield United FC (First Team) v Burnley FC (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Friend, Kevin
Assistant Referee: Beck, Simon
Assistant Referee: Scholes, Mark  Fox, Andrew
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff
Video Assistant Referee: Mason, Lee
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Wilkes, Matthew

West Ham United (First Team) v Southampton FC (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Atkinson, Martin
Assistant Referee: Hatzidakis, Constantine
Assistant Referee: Mainwaring, James
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew
Video Assistant Referee: Pawson, Craig  Marriner, Andre
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Kirkup, Peter

Wolverhampton Wanderers FC (First Team) v Manchester United FC (First Team)
Premier League    
Referee: Dean, Michael
Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian
Assistant Referee: Lennard, Harry
Fourth Official: Brooks, John
Video Assistant Referee: Madley, Andrew
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Cann, Darren
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: GingerReferee on Thu 20 May 2021 09:20
beat me to it, i was copying and pasting it lol
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Ref Fan on Thu 20 May 2021 09:31
Hmmm.  Attwell, Taylor and Marriner with the key games in the battle for Top 4.  Attwell and Marriner have had decent seasons, Taylor somewhat mixed.  I expected Oliver at Liverpool bearing in mind he never got to referee their game at OT.

Interest in the VAR selections also.  Gillett seems to have been generally reliable and Tierney for the Liverpool game has plenty of experience.  Bankes as VAR has had controversies I believe so his appointment for Leicester vs Spurs is perhaps more of a surprise.
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: tomp on Thu 20 May 2021 09:48
A premier league debut for Shaun Hudson who is the assistant for Leeds v West Brom.
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Ref Fan on Thu 20 May 2021 09:51
Just noticed all the 4O appointments are SG2 so one of them could get a short trial if the referee is injured. Not too surprising given that SG1's are refereeing or on VAR duties.

And Lee Mason's final final goodbye as an SG1 is on VAR, ready for his next career role.  I do hope Sheffield United vs Burnley is uncontroversial for him. 
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: ajb95 on Thu 20 May 2021 10:17
4 key games - 6 unimportant games - could have been used to use some of the less used refs  :(
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Alex04 on Thu 20 May 2021 10:21
Taylor somewhat mixed. 

Taylor had an excellent game at Selhurst Park last night. A few debatable VAR red card checks, but IMO the on field decisions were fair.

(I agree that his season has been somewhat mixed though.)
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: GingerReferee on Thu 20 May 2021 10:31
4 key games - 6 unimportant games - could have been used to use some of the less used refs  :(

Was expecting Graham Scott and Darren England to get a game or Simon Hooper or at least Andy Madley
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Ref Fan on Thu 20 May 2021 10:40
Taylor somewhat mixed. 

Taylor had an excellent game at Selhurst Park last night. A few debatable VAR red card checks, but IMO the on field decisions were fair.

(I agree that his season has been somewhat mixed though.)

It's the Schlupp challenge after 5 minutes that has angered Arsenal fans in particular. Just seen it and in my opinion it's one that VAR Attwell could have advised Taylor to check the monitor.   
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: GameDay2021 on Thu 20 May 2021 15:32
Pleasantly surprised by Attwell and Marriner

Same old same old for the rest

Lee Mason for Head of PGMOL!!!!!!
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Fengunner on Fri 21 May 2021 14:33
Let's just hope Simon Hooper looks at the correct frames on VAR - unlike the ones shown on Wednesday evening at Palace!
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Irrelohe on Fri 21 May 2021 14:35
I'm late to this thread, but in what way are there only 4 "key" games this weekend? Assuming that place money in itself is not a criterion, there are surely 6 games on which European qualification in one form or another hinges - and that is disregarding the highly unlikely prospect of Leeds so qualifying. Surely all 6 are "key" from that point of view? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: rustyref on Fri 21 May 2021 18:14
I'm late to this thread, but in what way are there only 4 "key" games this weekend? Assuming that place money in itself is not a criterion, there are surely 6 games on which European qualification in one form or another hinges - and that is disregarding the highly unlikely prospect of Leeds so qualifying. Surely all 6 are "key" from that point of view? Am I missing something?

Added to that every position in the PL is worth Ł1 million in prize money, so it is difficult to say that any game is "unimportant"
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sat 22 May 2021 15:42
I hope the appropriate social distancing is in place at “Shockley” Park.

Will be a squeeze getting 20 officials in the VAR hub come 4pm!
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: robbie_scouse on Sun 23 May 2021 14:54
Craig Pawson and Andre Marriner (injured) have swapped roles - Pawson refereeing at Anfield, Marriner VAR for West Ham - Southampton.
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Mackem ref on Sun 23 May 2021 15:15
Good job his injury happened in enough time to swap him - imagine if it’d been the warm up! That would’ve been a hell of a game for Tony Harrington!
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: tomp on Sun 23 May 2021 16:00
Mark Scholes replaces Gary Beswick on Leicester V Tottenham and Andrew Fox (SG2) replaces Scholes on Sheffield United v Burnley.
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: ajb95 on Sun 23 May 2021 21:03
Anthony Taylor didn’t quite catch michael Oliver in the penalty count..🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Ref Fan on Sun 23 May 2021 22:15
Anthony Taylor didn’t quite catch michael Oliver in the penalty count..🤷‍♂️

Actually, Mr Oliver could have increased his lead by awarding a double penalty to Everton as both Dias and Ederson fouled Richarlison!?
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 24 May 2021 13:50
Ha, ha. Just realised Taylor gave 2 penalties in the Leicester- Spurs game, one of them after an OFR. Memo to self: watch carefully and concentrate!

Do we actually have the penalty count for referees among the stats for 2020/21?
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 24 May 2021 14:06
Ha, ha. Just realised Taylor gave 2 penalties in the Leicester- Spurs game, one of them after an OFR. Memo to self: watch carefully and concentrate!

Do we actually have the penalty count for referees among the stats for 2020/21?

 i can get it worked out for you if you want
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 24 May 2021 15:13
Ha, ha. Just realised Taylor gave 2 penalties in the Leicester- Spurs game, one of them after an OFR. Memo to self: watch carefully and concentrate!

Do we actually have the penalty count for referees among the stats for 2020/21?

 i can get it worked out for you if you want

There you go

Pawson – 7
Tierney – 5
Marriner – 9
Atwell – 8
Oliver – 19
Taylor – 14
Friend – 7
Hooper – 5
England – 2
Bankes – 2
Kavanagh – 6
Dean – 9
Atkinson – 2
Madley – 5
Coote – 9
Moss – 4
Jones – 3
Scott - 5
Mason - 3
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 24 May 2021 15:56
Many thanks for that.  Even allowing for some referees having less games, that quite a variation.

Are penalties awarded after an OFR included but those retracted after a review excluded?

Although Oliver has clocked up so many, I don't recall offhand any being overturned on review, or for that matter only being given after a visit to the monitor, but could well be wrong on that. Some were certainly of the 'soft' variety but not regarded as a 'clear and obvious' error.

I know Atkinson missed some games towards the end of the season due covid I think, but 2 penalties is remarkably few.  Wasn't it in the Neville / Carragher documentary on refereeing that Atkinson said you should be 110% sure for a penalty - or words to that effect?

Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 24 May 2021 16:44
Ha, ha. Just realised Taylor gave 2 penalties in the Leicester- Spurs game, one of them after an OFR. Memo to self: watch carefully and concentrate!

Do we actually have the penalty count for referees among the stats for 2020/21?

 i can get it worked out for you if you want

There you go

Pawson – 7
Tierney – 5
Marriner – 9
Atwell – 8
Oliver – 19
Taylor – 14
Friend – 7
Hooper – 5
England – 2
Bankes – 2
Kavanagh – 6
Dean – 9
Atkinson – 2
Madley – 5
Coote – 9
Moss – 4
Jones – 3
Scott - 5
Mason - 3

Not quite correct. I'll publish a comp set of stats
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: referee12 on Tue 25 May 2021 12:53
With the season now over we know mason is going to be a full time var official after his last game so are we expecting some promotions from sg2 in time for the 2021/22 season?
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Ref Watcher on Tue 25 May 2021 14:36
With the season now over we know mason is going to be a full time var official after his last game so are we expecting some promotions from sg2 in time for the 2021/22 season?
How many promotions are required to replace one referee, bearing in mind that Lee Mason will (presumably) be covering twice as many games as VAR as he did this season?  Half a referee?  Given the number of games some of the newer SG1 members did this season there is an argument, on numbers alone I stress, not to promote any.
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: greeny on Tue 25 May 2021 16:55
I would argue that some of our top referees are getting too many - top referees in Germany, France, Spain and Italy are getting no more than 20 games in a season (fewer in most countries) - Oliver and Taylor got 28 matches each this season.  They could easily spread the appointments out better so the less experienced referees get a few more games.

France (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 20 (Brisard, Lesage and Buquet) - Turpin got 19

Spain (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 21 (Gonzalez Fuertes and del Cerro Grande) - Lahoz got 18

Germany (34 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 17 (Grafe and Brych).

Italy (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 18 (Mariani) - Orsato got 15
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: RCG on Tue 25 May 2021 17:03
Seems most other countries work on 1 in every 2, as opposed to almost 3 in every 4.
The lack of experience will show up sooner or later as age/injury/other appointments hit the numbers.
Surely we have enough games to be giving Jones, England et al 1 in every 2 matchweeks?
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Claretman on Tue 25 May 2021 17:43
Many thanks for that.  Even allowing for some referees having less games, that quite a variation.

Are penalties awarded after an OFR included but those retracted after a review excluded?

Although Oliver has clocked up so many, I don't recall offhand any being overturned on review, or for that matter only being given after a visit to the monitor, but could well be wrong on that. Some were certainly of the 'soft' variety but not regarded as a 'clear and obvious' error.

I know Atkinson missed some games towards the end of the season due covid I think, but 2 penalties is remarkably few.  Wasn't it in the Neville / Carragher documentary on refereeing that Atkinson said you should be 110% sure for a penalty - or words to that effect?

Oliver over turned his penalty decision in the villa v brighton game after Kavanagh asked him to view the screen.
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: bmb on Tue 25 May 2021 21:40
I would argue that some of our top referees are getting too many - top referees in Germany, France, Spain and Italy are getting no more than 20 games in a season (fewer in most countries) - Oliver and Taylor got 28 matches each this season.  They could easily spread the appointments out better so the less experienced referees get a few more games.

France (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 20 (Brisard, Lesage and Buquet) - Turpin got 19

Spain (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 21 (Gonzalez Fuertes and del Cerro Grande) - Lahoz got 18

Germany (34 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 17 (Grafe and Brych).

Italy (38 rounds):
The most matches anyone got was 18 (Mariani) - Orsato got 15

Hungary 33 Rounds

Solymosi Péter - 22 - referee; 18 - AAR. * Has done more than 1 AAR duty in the same round on occasion hence why more than 33 in total.
Bogár Gergő - 22 - referee ; 11 - AAR
Berke Balázs - 17 - referee; 6 - AAR
Andó-Szabó Sándor - 16 - referee; 13 - AAR
Pintér Csaba - 15 - referee; 5 - AAR
Káprály Mihály - 15 - referee; 18 - AAR *NBII
Erdős József - 13 - referee; 22 - AAR * Has done more than 1 AAR duty in the same round on occasion hence why more than 33 in total.
Karakó Ferenc - 12 - referee; 9 - AAR
Farkas Ádám - 12 - referee; 15 - AAR * was injured/out for a few weeks
Bognár Tamás - 11 - referee; 2 - AAR *out for more than 1 month after getting covid
Iványi Zoltán - 11 - referee; 13 - AAR * was injured/out for a few weeks
Antal Péter - 11 - referee; 14 - AAR *NBII
Zierkelbach Péter - 8 - referee; 16 - AAR *NBII
Vad II István - 6 - referee; 9 - AAR * was injured for most of the season as per usual!! That's 3/4 seasons now where he has missed most of it...
Pillók Ádám - 5 - referee; 17 - AAR *NBII
Csonka Bence - 1 - referee 24 as AAR *NBII

We've had really bad problems with covid within the league & a lot of our referees have either been out having tested positive themselves or in quarantine after players from the game they were in tested positive so we have used NBII referees more than normal.  They'd normally do 3/4 games max per season. We've also had VAR training going on during the spring season so a lot of the refs have missed games because they were sat in the VAR van practicing although there were no comms linked with the on field referee team.
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: referee12 on Wed 26 May 2021 14:02
So no promotions for any sg1s for the 2021/22 season then?
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Wed 26 May 2021 16:56
So no promotions for any sg1s for the 2021/22 season then?

I sincerely hope that's not the case. No promotions is a recipe for disgruntled employees. Harrington & Gillett have done enough to justify promotion to SG1, and even if they are used sparingly on the PL to start with (as per Jones), SG1 is where they deserve to be, with 2-3 others, such as Breakspear, promoted to SG2 to take their place. Promotion is always something to aim for at all levels is it not?
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: RCG on Wed 26 May 2021 17:48
 Given NL has not yet finished and play offs have not taken place I would not expect any promotion news just yet.
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: referee12 on Sun 13 Jun 2021 10:34
any referee promotions?
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: Joshua on Mon 21 Jun 2021 19:40
Now, we know all four are promoted. Harrington, Salisbury, Gillett and Brookes
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: bmb on Mon 21 Jun 2021 19:54
any referee promotions?

Promotions all here: https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/general-discussion-5/promotions-2596/
Title: Re: Final League Matches – 2020/21
Post by: referee12 on Sat 26 Jun 2021 10:13
well done to the new refs on getting promoted

lets hope they get some good appointments when the new season starts