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General Refereeing => Referee / Match Official Appointments => Select Group 2 => Topic started by: aaa on Tue 11 May 2021 12:02
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Mon 17th May 2021
AFC Bournemouth (First Team) v Brentford FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Robinson, Tim
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Ian
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Reserve Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Barnsley FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Harrington, Tony Eltringham, Geoff
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Assistant Referee: Wild, Richard
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff Webb, David
Reserve Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Sat 22nd May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v AFC Bournemouth (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Assistant Referee: Dermott, Philip
Assistant Referee: Hyde, Robert
Fourth Official: Linington, James
Reserve Assistant Referee: Waters, Adrian
Swansea City FC (First Team) v Barnsley FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Brooks, John
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew
Reserve Assistant Referee: Leach, Daniel
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Mon 17th May 2021
AFC Bournemouth (First Team) v Brentford FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Robinson, Tim
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Ian
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Reserve Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Barnsley FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Harrington, Tony
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Assistant Referee: Wild, Richard
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff
Reserve Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Sat 22nd May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v AFC Bournemouth (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Assistant Referee: Dermott, Philip
Assistant Referee: Hyde, Robert
Fourth Official: Linington, James
Reserve Assistant Referee: Waters, Adrian
Swansea City FC (First Team) v Barnsley FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Brooks, John
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew
Reserve Assistant Referee: Leach, Daniel
Interesting to see change of policy in using SG2 referees for both legs. Guess it tells us who is well thought of at that level. Personally I think Championship play-offs should go to SG1 officials though. There's an awful lot riding on them.
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Mon 17th May 2021
AFC Bournemouth (First Team) v Brentford FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Robinson, Tim
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Ian
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Reserve Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Barnsley FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Harrington, Tony
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Assistant Referee: Wild, Richard
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff
Reserve Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Sat 22nd May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v AFC Bournemouth (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Assistant Referee: Dermott, Philip
Assistant Referee: Hyde, Robert
Fourth Official: Linington, James
Reserve Assistant Referee: Waters, Adrian
Swansea City FC (First Team) v Barnsley FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Brooks, John
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew
Reserve Assistant Referee: Leach, Daniel
Absolutely no surprises here once they had decided to use SG2 for both legs of the Play Offs. Harrington has crept up a bit under the radar perhaps.
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Gillett and Brooks confirmed as the top two in SG2 ( as indeed most of us already realised )
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That leaves Langford for the final... 😁
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I think the fact that SG1 refs are not being used at all for these semi final playoffs has much to do with the number of PL games left to be played between now and 23rd May. I think we shall see a SG1 ref on the Final (as usual).
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What struck me was the the 40 in the first 3 games are well established referees, even 'old-timers' now in some cases, but one of the newer guys, Mathew Donohue gets 4O in the 4th game.
Does Tim Robinson refereeing one of the semis indicate he hasn't fallen in favour perhaps as much as one or two have suggested, or does it simply confirm he is a leading SG2 official but not necessarily SG1 material?
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I think the fact that SG1 refs are not being used at all for these semi final playoffs has much to do with the number of PL games left to be played between now and 23rd May. I think we shall see a SG1 ref on the Final (as usual).
Agree on the basis that I don't see the Championship final going to an SG2 referee outside of the above list. I presume that this means one of the four above will be candidates for the League One final.
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Gillett and Brooks confirmed as the top two in SG2 ( as indeed most of us already realised )
I have seen Gillett on several occasions this season and he hasn't impressed me, I'm afraid. However, he does seem to be a 'referee-by-numbers' type of official which they seem to like. So no doubt he will be fast tracked to be another automated SG1 before long. I just get the impression that he is another who knows the rules but not the game.
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Gillett and Brooks confirmed as the top two in SG2 ( as indeed most of us already realised )
I have seen Gillett on several occasions this season and he hasn't impressed me, I'm afraid. However, he does seem to be a 'referee-by-numbers' type of official which they seem to like. So no doubt he will be fast tracked to be another automated SG1 before long. I just get the impression that he is another who knows the rules but not the game.
Disagree I have seen him a few times and I've been impressed with him.. Always up with play, foul detection very good, not card happy, leaves the game flow.
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Whilst I agree Whitestone has been around a while, he is actually a relative newcomer to SG2, joining much later than most.
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AFC Bournemouth (First Team) v Brentford FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Robinson, Tim
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Ian
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Reserve Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Barnsley FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Harrington, Tony
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Assistant Referee: Wild, Richard
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff
Reserve Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Sat 22nd May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v AFC Bournemouth (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Assistant Referee: Dermott, Philip
Assistant Referee: Hyde, Robert
Fourth Official: Linington, James
Reserve Assistant Referee: Waters, Adrian
Swansea City FC (First Team) v Barnsley FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Brooks, John
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew
Reserve Assistant Referee: Leach, Daniel
Interesting to see change of policy in using SG2 referees for both legs. Guess it tells us who is well thought of at that level. Personally I think Championship play-offs should go to SG1 officials though. There's an awful lot riding on them.
We have SG2 for a reason you know. Whats the point in having them if we don't trust them
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True but these clubs are battling to reach the PL and so should have pl referees doing these games particularly when it’s £110 million for the winning club
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That leaves Langford for the final... 😁
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That leaves Langford for the final... 😁
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AFC Bournemouth (First Team) v Brentford FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Robinson, Tim
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Ian
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Reserve Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Barnsley FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Harrington, Tony
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Assistant Referee: Wild, Richard
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff
Reserve Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Sat 22nd May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v AFC Bournemouth (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Assistant Referee: Dermott, Philip
Assistant Referee: Hyde, Robert
Fourth Official: Linington, James
Reserve Assistant Referee: Waters, Adrian
Swansea City FC (First Team) v Barnsley FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Brooks, John
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew
Reserve Assistant Referee: Leach, Daniel
Interesting to see change of policy in using SG2 referees for both legs. Guess it tells us who is well thought of at that level. Personally I think Championship play-offs should go to SG1 officials though. There's an awful lot riding on them.
We have SG2 for a reason you know. Whats the point in having them if we don't trust them
The point of SG2 is to try and improve the standard of officiating in more of the games not covered by SG1, although I am not sure that has happened. It is not a case of not trusting SG2, but the general principle is that SG1 referees should be the best in the country. I remember Keith Stroud making an awful decision in the Championship play-offs last season. It could have happened to anyone of course but you'd generally expect a better performance level the higher up you go. I remember Anthony Taylor was superb in Leeds V Derby a few years ago.
SG1 officials were used for all the relegation games on Saturday in Championship, so why not promotion? I think it is reasonable to hold the play-offs in the same regard as a league fixture in the above division which the teams are trying to reach - hence SG2 referees generally doing League 1 play-offs competing for Championship and SG1 normally doing Championship competing for PL.
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I wouldn't disagree with you Readingfan, but maybe, as I indicated earlier, it has something to do with the fact that there are still 31 PL fixtures to cover in the next 11 days, and of course that includes 4O and VAR duties for the SG1 refs in some of the fixtures. OK, there is not so much riding on the PL fixtures, now that the title and relegation have been decided, but it is still a heck of a workload for them, including travel, which would be made worse if they had crucial Championship playoff games to cope with as well. I am happy to see Robinson, Harrington, Gillett and Brooks on the Championship semis, with a SG1 ref on the Final.
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I wouldn't disagree with you Readingfan, but maybe, as I indicated earlier, it has something to do with the fact that there are still 31 PL fixtures to cover in the next 11 days, and of course that includes 4O and VAR duties for the SG1 refs in some of the fixtures. OK, there is not so much riding on the PL fixtures, now that the title and relegation have been decided, but it is still a heck of a workload for them, including travel, which would be made worse if they had crucial Championship playoff games to cope with as well. I am happy to see Robinson, Harrington, Gillett and Brooks on the Championship semis, with a SG1 ref on the Final.
Indeed, several days work a week. Perhaps the NHS will clap for them.
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Going by the practice of recent seasons I would suggest none of those mentioned will get any of the play off finals
I cant see, unless I need a visit to Specsavers, that any of the semi-final refs from the last few years has also been given a final. None of the final refs seem to have been involved in that same years semis so if the same format is kept we should be looking for 3 new names
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However, the way they have done the appointing this year is different to normal - they are refereeing the semi finals in the league above where they normally referee. I can't see the League 1 final being anyone but one of the 4 doing a Championship semi final.
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League 1 final Jarred Gillett nailed on
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I wouldn't argue with any of those appointments - they have been the best four officials in the Championship this season. For me Jarred Gillett is the best SG2 official and should be promoted to SG1 next season (IMO).
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Mon 17th May 2021
AFC Bournemouth (First Team) v Brentford FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Robinson, Tim
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Ian
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Reserve Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Barnsley FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Harrington, Tony
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Assistant Referee: Wild, Richard
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff
Reserve Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Sat 22nd May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v AFC Bournemouth (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Assistant Referee: Dermott, Philip
Assistant Referee: Hyde, Robert
Fourth Official: Linington, James
Reserve Assistant Referee: Waters, Adrian
Swansea City FC (First Team) v Barnsley FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Brooks, John
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew
Reserve Assistant Referee: Leach, Daniel
No surprise that the top 4 refs in SG2 get them. Nice to see them get a chance
Imo, Coote for final
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Friend and Moss both have a good season in PL and they have never done a playoff final before(unless I'm wrong about it), could they have a chance?
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See Geoff Eltringham is now refereeing Barnsley v Swansea with David Webb as 4th man. What’s happened to Harrington?
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Geoff Eltringham replaces Tony Harrington for Barnsley V Swansea. David Webb replaces Eltringham as fourth official.
I also notice that aaa has cancelled out the whole of the appointment for the second leg due to be John Brooks. I wonder if it’s been decided that Brooks will do the final instead of a prem ref and Harrington is now doing the second leg.
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Geoff Eltringham replaces Tony Harrington for Barnsley V Swansea. David Webb replaces Eltringham as fourth official.
I also notice that aaa has cancelled out the whole of the appointment for the second leg due to be John Brooks. I wonder if it’s been decided that Brooks will do the final instead of a prem ref and Harrington is now doing the second leg.
Bizarrely, though, the appointment is still there on MOAS.
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Robinson and the officials were the only people to take a knee.... I hadn’t realised both teams were not advocating this message any longer?
Any insight bmb?
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I have no idea. They released an anti racism video from the players just before the social media blackout but. I’ve not seen anything about it, not that I take much notice to be honest!
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Mon 17th May 2021
AFC Bournemouth (First Team) v Brentford FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Robinson, Tim
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Ian
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Reserve Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Barnsley FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Harrington, Tony Eltringham, Geoff
Assistant Referee: Hudson, Shaun
Assistant Referee: Wild, Richard
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff Webb, David
Reserve Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Sat 22nd May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v AFC Bournemouth (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Assistant Referee: Dermott, Philip
Assistant Referee: Hyde, Robert
Fourth Official: Linington, James
Reserve Assistant Referee: Waters, Adrian
Swansea City FC (First Team) v Barnsley FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Brooks, John
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew
Reserve Assistant Referee: Leach, Daniel
John Brooks has been appointed to the FA Youth Cup Final on the 24th May, most likely the reasons for the changes
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Yes, that makes sense. Surprised that the FA Youth Cup final would take precedence over a second leg of a Championship playoff tie that’s usually done by Premier league ref.
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.
However, why did both Richard Wild and Charles Breakspear remain on their games when they are with Tony Harrington at Wembley on Saturday?
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Given the number of weeks in a season where referees have done weds/sat or sat/tues, I would imagine Monday to Daturday wont not have been too hard for Tony..guess it was orecaution. Breakspear is 4th so no real problem there. Maybe with ARs feeling is he could do both games?
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.
Yes, i understand that but why can't he do both, one game on the Monday and then the game on the Saturday. I understand Brooks being replaced as it is 2 days apart but for Harrington its 5. Can someone help me make sense of this??
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.
Yes, i understand that but why can't he do both, one game on the Monday and then the game on the Saturday. I understand Brooks being replaced as it is 2 days apart but for Harrington its 5. Can someone help me make sense of this??
Or, was it necessary to appoint him to the play-offs when he was in mind for the FA Trophy Final?
Doesn't the right arm talk to the left arm?
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.
Yes, i understand that but why can't he do both, one game on the Monday and then the game on the Saturday. I understand Brooks being replaced as it is 2 days apart but for Harrington its 5. Can someone help me make sense of this??
Or, was it necessary to appoint him to the play-offs when he was in mind for the FA Trophy Final?
Doesn't the right arm talk to the left arm?
Thats true, and clearly not!
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.
Yes, i understand that but why can't he do both, one game on the Monday and then the game on the Saturday. I understand Brooks being replaced as it is 2 days apart but for Harrington its 5. Can someone help me make sense of this??
Or, was it necessary to appoint him to the play-offs when he was in mind for the FA Trophy Final?
Doesn't the right arm talk to the left arm?
Difficult, when knowing the difference between one's a**e and elbow proves to be too challenging ;)
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.
Yes, i understand that but why can't he do both, one game on the Monday and then the game on the Saturday. I understand Brooks being replaced as it is 2 days apart but for Harrington its 5. Can someone help me make sense of this??
Or, was it necessary to appoint him to the play-offs when he was in mind for the FA Trophy Final?
Doesn't the right arm talk to the left arm?
Completely different appointing authorities. Play offs are appointed by PGMOL, FA competitions by the FA.
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And hasn’t Harrington been appointed to the F A Trophy Final this weekend?
Yes, that explains why both have been removed then.
Appointments by the FA override any other domestic appointment, including the Premier league and EFL.
Yes, i understand that but why can't he do both, one game on the Monday and then the game on the Saturday. I understand Brooks being replaced as it is 2 days apart but for Harrington its 5. Can someone help me make sense of this??
Or, was it necessary to appoint him to the play-offs when he was in mind for the FA Trophy Final?
Doesn't the right arm talk to the left arm?
Completely different appointing authorities. Play offs are appointed by PGMOL, FA competitions by the FA.
Yes, thanks I know that. My point still stands though.
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Who has been appointed in place of Brooks?
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Who has been appointed in place of Brooks?
Still got John Brooks on MOAS!
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Have to say Gillett has been superb so far in the 1st half. V impressed !
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John Brooks is the referee for Barnsley vs Swansea
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Finals
Sat 29th May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Kavanagh, Chris
Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
Assistant Referee: Massey-Ellis, Sian
Fourth Official: Coote, David
Reserve Assistant Referee: Davies, Neil
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Congrats to all of them
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Whilst being slightly undeserved I wan Chris and team a successful match!
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Fully deserved appointment for the whole team. Congratulations to them all.
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Awful appointment in my opinion
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Congratulations to all, hope the day goes well for all.
In my opinion not the most inspiring of refereeing appointments, however the assistants are fully deserving.
Kavanagh seems to have been on a downward spiral during his performances in recent months, however i wish
Him and the team all the best for saturday.
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Well after the season Kavanagh has had combined with the stakes being so high as well as the financial riches to the winner this appointment is bizarre to say the least I am slightly stunned but I do hope the match goes well for Chris and his team and I wish them all the best , this appointment certainly isn’t based on merit though
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I’m really struggling with some of the comments on here, it’s baffling and I’ve clearly watched a completely different season.
Chris Kavanagh has had another good season (with plenty of big fixtures) and any major controversies from the games I’ve seen were due to involvement with VAR - which as we know has been an ongoing theme for a number of games this season.
I think it’s a throughly deserved appointment and alongside the FA Cup Semi Final is another chance for the team (Sian and Dan included) to be trusted with a big game. Hopefully we get to see this more in Europe next season.
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The ridiculous sending off of the West Ham defender in the Chelsea game was entirely his call as the on field referee which was later rescinded. He needs to up his game if he does get further exposure in Europe.
Prior to this season I had rated him but he has had few poor high profile games this season and never seems to want to change his mind on VAR reviews.
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The ridiculous sending off of the West Ham defender in the Chelsea game was entirely his call as the on field referee which was later rescinded. He needs to up his game if he does get further exposure in Europe.
Prior to this season I had rated him but he has had few poor high profile games this season and never seems to want to change his mind on VAR reviews.
I go back to the previous comment I've made.
In this first instance, the referee allowed play to continue.
Was then shown clips where it can be argued a red card should be issued.
The expected decision after the referee has been sent to the screen, in this example, is a red card.
Do I think a referee should be called over to the screen for that challenge? No.
Do I understand why a red card was issued with the clips shown on the day (in slow mo) - yes.
Reference the changing of mind, what are you expecting to see?
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Finals
Sat 29th May 2021
Brentford FC (First Team) v Swansea City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Kavanagh, Chris
Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
Assistant Referee: Massey-Ellis, Sian
Fourth Official: Coote, David
Reserve Assistant Referee: Davies, Neil
Undeserved
He's had a sloppy season
Congrats tho but Friend, Attwell etc earned it more