Post by: GingerReferee on Tue 04 May 2021 17:32
Post by: Hendo on Tue 04 May 2021 17:34
Who's gonna get the championship, league 1 and league 2 playoffs this year?
Mason, Kettle and Young
Post by: Claretman on Tue 04 May 2021 18:28
League one play off final Gillett or Brooks.
League two play off final Breakspear.
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 04 May 2021 20:49
Championship............Andre Marriner or Craig Pawson
League 1...................John Brooks or Leigh Doughty
League 2..................Marc Edwards or Craig Hicks
Post by: Mackem ref on Tue 04 May 2021 21:11
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 04 May 2021 21:42
My predictions would be Pawson for the Championship, Brooks for League 1 and Hicks/Abram all for League 2
Forgive ignorance but who Abram ?
Post by: Mackem ref on Tue 04 May 2021 21:50
Post by: Whistleblower on Wed 05 May 2021 07:50
Damned predictive text on the phone - was meant to say Brammall 🤣
Ah yes. A distinct possibility also I should say.
Post by: GingerReferee on Wed 05 May 2021 09:36
Championship - Scott/Mason
League 1 - Ward/Gillet
League 2 - Breakspear/Drysdale
Post by: ajb95 on Wed 05 May 2021 10:05
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 05 May 2021 10:43
League One.. Brooks
League Two... Breakspear
I wonder if Robinson is an outside shot for the League One final.
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 05 May 2021 10:43
Who's gonna get the championship, league 1 and league 2 playoffs this year?
Mason, Kettle and Young
Kettle hasn’t got a last day fixture... perhaps he will get a semi final?
Post by: TVOS on Wed 05 May 2021 11:33
Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear
Gilbert Napthine?
Post by: Shy Talk on Wed 05 May 2021 13:05
Interestingly Mr Mason took the 2008 League One final - between Barnsley and Swansea!Who's gonna get the championship, league 1 and league 2 playoffs this year?
Mason, Kettle and Young
Post by: justalino on Wed 05 May 2021 13:12
L2 - Tom Brammall
Post by: ajb95 on Wed 05 May 2021 13:31
Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear
Gilbert Napthine?
Quite possibly. But I meant to put Gillett but it auto corrected !!
Post by: Hendo on Wed 05 May 2021 14:11
Robinsons star in more in the descendancy of late so talk of him possibly getting onto the PL a couple of years back seems a long way off now. Interestingly my feeling is that he has had more League 1 and 2 games this season than most of his fellow SG2 refs
Post by: Whistleblower on Wed 05 May 2021 14:36
I am a little surprised by all the excitement over Brooks. Perhaps others see more in him than I do.
Robinsons star in more in the descendancy of late so talk of him possibly getting onto the PL a couple of years back seems a long way off now. Interestingly my feeling is that he has had more League 1 and 2 games this season than most of his fellow SG2 refs
From what I have red on RTR I don't think many correspondents to this forum have shown a great degree of excitement over Brooks but reasonably informed opinion declares that those responsible for making promotions do have him very much in their sights.
It's the old argument about the "annointed" ones. There are referees who, to my untutored eye seem to be average members of the pack but who appear to get "adopted" for a rapid promotion. Josh Smith is in the annointed category and his promotion to SG2 seems absurdly accelerated in my view as he hadn't really proved anything at FL level. Brooks is also in this category as was Coote a few years back and Hackett many years back. Darren England also enjoys "annointed" status but in his case there is obvious and genuine talent bursting through. It's just how it is and one would find similar scenarios in most professions with the rank and file ( in whose number I include myself ) sometimes scratching their collective heads thinking along the lines of " how on earth did s/he climb the greasy pole so quickly and on a lack of any evidence that I can see "
Post by: nemesis on Wed 05 May 2021 21:05
I am a little surprised by all the excitement over Brooks. Perhaps others see more in him than I do.
Robinsons star in more in the descendancy of late so talk of him possibly getting onto the PL a couple of years back seems a long way off now. Interestingly my feeling is that he has had more League 1 and 2 games this season than most of his fellow SG2 refs
From what I have red on RTR I don't think many correspondents to this forum have shown a great degree of excitement over Brooks but reasonably informed opinion declares that those responsible for making promotions do have him very much in their sights.
It's the old argument about the "annointed" ones. There are referees who, to my untutored eye seem to be average members of the pack but who appear to get "adopted" for a rapid promotion. Josh Smith is in the annointed category and his promotion to SG2 seems absurdly accelerated in my view as he hadn't really proved anything at FL level. Brooks is also in this category as was Coote a few years back and Hackett many years back. Darren England also enjoys "annointed" status but in his case there is obvious and genuine talent bursting through. It's just how it is and one would find similar scenarios in most professions with the rank and file ( in whose number I include myself ) sometimes scratching their collective heads thinking along the lines of " how on earth did s/he climb the greasy pole so quickly and on a lack of any evidence that I can see "
We all see it on a daily basis, except that we all know how and why it's happened.
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Wed 05 May 2021 21:26
Play Off Referees 2000 to 2020
1999-2000
Div 1 Semi-finals – M Halsey, R Styles, B Knight, M Dean
Final – T Heilbron
Div 2 Semi-finals – T Heilbron, M Dean, R Styles, D Laws
Final – R Styles
Div 3 Semi-finals – D Laws, B Knight, M Halsey, T Heilbron
Final – M Dean
2000-1
Div 1 Semi-finals – D Laws, D Pugh, R Pearson, P Danson
Final – U Rennie
Div 2 Semi-finals – U Rennie, R Pearson, D Laws, E Wolstenholme
Final – E Wolstenholme
Div 3 Semi-finals – W Burns, E Wolstenholme, U Rennie, D Pugh
Final – D Pugh
2001-2
Div 1 Semi-finals – A Bates, R Furnandiz, A Leake, G Laws
Final – G Barber
Div 2 Semi-finals – A Leake, G Laws, G Barber, M Dean
Final – G Laws
Div 3 Semi-finals – M Dean, G Barber, A Hall, R Furnandiz
Final – A Leake
2002-3
Div 1 Semi-finals – M Clattenburg, A Kaye, H Webb, P Walton
Final – S Bennett
Div 2 Semi-finals – H Webb, S Bennett, J Winter, M Clattenburg
Final – H Webb
Div 3 Semi-finals – J Winter, P Walton, M Fletcher, S Bennett,
Final – A Kaye
2003-4
Div 1 Semi-finals – R Beeby, M Clattenburg, D Pugh, N Barry
Final – G Poll
Div 2 Semi-finals – P Taylor, N Barry, G Poll, G Laws
Final – R Beeby
Div 3 Semi-finals – G Laws, M Jones, M Pike, P Crossley
Final – M Clattenburg
2004-5
Championship Semi-finals – U Rennie, A Marriner, S Dunn, R Beeby
Final – M Riley
L1 Semi-finals – M Jones, B Curson, A Leake, M Atkinson
Final – P Crossley
L2 Semi-finals – G Laws, L Mason, P Crossley, B Knight
Final – M Atkinson
2005-6
Championship Semi-finals – P Crossley, M Jones, M Thorpe, S Tanner
Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – K Stroud, P Taylor, G Laws, C Foy
Final – L Mason
L2 Semi-finals - L Mason, A Hall, M Dean, N Miller
Final – P Taylor
2006-7
Championship Semi-finals – M Jones, S Tanner, A D’Urso, M Halsey
Final – G Poll
L1 Semi-finals - N Miller, I Williamson, G Poll, L Probert
Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – R Beeby, K Stroud, G Laws, T Kettle
Final – M Jones
2007-8
Championship Semi-finals – M Jones, K Friend, H Webb, M Clattenburg
Final – A Wiley
L1 Semi-finals – P Taylor, A Bates, A Wiley, M Halsey
Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – P Armstrong, D Deadman, R Beeby, A D’Urso
Final – S Attwell
2008-9
Championship Semi-finals – A Marriner, M Atkinson, A Wiley, M Riley
Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – S Mathieson, C Oliver, M Halsey, N Swarbrick
Final – M Oliver
L2 Semi-finals – G Laws, K Friend, C Webster, M Oliver
Final – C Oliver
2009 -10
Championship Semi-finals – P Dowd, A Wiley, M Clattenburg, H Webb
Final – A Marriner
L1 Semi-finals – J Linington, D Deadman, N Swarbrick, A Bates
Final – C Webster
L2 Semi-finals – A D’Urso, C Webster, F Graham, E Ilderton
Final – J Linington
2010-11
Championship Semi-finals – M Dean, A Marriner, M Halsey, H Webb
Final – P Dowd
L1 Semi-finals – M Russell, J Moss, N Swarbrick, C Webster
Final – S Tanner
L2 Semi-finals – S Mathieson, R East, K Wright, R Booth
Final – D Deadman
2011-12
Championship Semi-finals – N Swarbrick, M Halsey, M Dean, C Foy
Final – H Webb
L1 Semi-finals – A Bates, D Deadman, N Miller, S Mathieson
Final – R East
L2 Semi-finals – M Naylor, J Adcock, D Drysdale, A D’Urso
Final – C Pawson
2012-3
Championship Semi-finals – N Swarbrick, M Oliver x 2, M Clattenburg
Final – M Atkinson
L1 Semi-finals – S Attwell, G Eltringham, P Gibbs, N Miller
Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – J Adcock, M Russell, G Scott, A Madley
Final – K Stroud
2013-4
Championship Semi-finals – R East, M Jones, M Clattenburg, C Pawson
Final – L Mason
L1 Semi-finals – G Salisbury, I Williamson, M Russell, K Stroud
Final – D Coote
L2 Semi-finals – O Langford, C Boyeson, S Duncan, P Tierney
Final – M Naylor
2014-5
Championship Semi-finals – J Moss, A Taylor, L Mason, R East
Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – M Haywood, D Bond, A D’Urso, K Hill
Final – A Madley
L2 Semi-finals – P Bankes, N Miller, K Stroud, G Scott
Final – S Hooper
2015-6
Championship Semi-finals – A Marriner, N Swarbrick, R East, M Oliver
Final – R Madley
L1 Semi-finals – P Bankes, D Whitestone, D Deadman, T Robinson
Final – S Attwell
L2 Semi-finals – O Langford, S Martin, P Tierney, E Ilderton
Final – I Williamson
2016-7
Championship Semi-finals – S Attwell, P Tierney, M Atkinson, A Marriner
Final – N Swarbrick
L1 Semi-finals – A Madley, O Langford, C Kavanagh, D Coote
Final – S Hooper
L2 Semi-finals – N Miller, D Webb, D Deadman, D Whitestone
Final – D England
2017-8
Championship Semi-finals – R East, R Madley, C Kavanagh, M Dean
Final – A Taylor
L1 Semi-finals – S Hooper, T Robinson, J Simpson, S Duncan
Final – R Jones
L2 Semi-finals – B Toner, D England, G Ward, D Drysdale
Final - D Webb
2018-9
Championship Semi-finals – G Scott, C Pawson, C Kavanagh, A Taylor
Final - P Tierney
L1 Semi-finals – A Woolmer, O Langford, P Bankes, G Ward
Final – A Madley
L2 Semi-Finals – C Breakspear, J Busby, M Salisbury, E Ilderton
Final – R Joyce
2019/20
Championship Semi-finals – K Stroud, G Eltringham, C Kavanagh, P Tierney
Final – M Atkinson
L1 Semi-finals – A Harrington, G Ward, D England, D Bond
Final – R Jones
L2 Semi-finals – J Smith, M Edwards, L Doughty, C Breakspear
Final – M Salisbury
Post by: Claretman on Wed 05 May 2021 22:37
Now there is an interesting character from the past.Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear
Gilbert Napthine?
Post by: Whistleblower on Thu 06 May 2021 08:29
Now there is an interesting character from the past.Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear
Gilbert Napthine?
Saw Napthine only once, at Highbury. He had a very good match I seem to recall. Being located in the middle of England ( Loughborough ) wasn't he one of that band of referees who officiated at every League ground in the country?
Post by: Ref Fan on Thu 06 May 2021 09:10
Now there is an interesting character from the past.Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear
Gilbert Napthine?
Saw Napthine only once, at Highbury. He had a very good match I seem to recall. Being located in the middle of England ( Loughborough ) wasn't he one of that band of referees who officiated at every League ground in the country?
I wonder which team he supported. I don't recall seeing him at OT but I'm sure he must have refereed there.
This from 2013:
https://www.loughboroughecho.net/news/local-news/royal-honour-silebyman-gilbert-napthine-6259608
Post by: Conkernut on Thu 06 May 2021 10:04
Post by: Whistleblower on Thu 06 May 2021 10:20
Now there is an interesting character from the past.Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear
Gilbert Napthine?
Saw Napthine only once, at Highbury. He had a very good match I seem to recall. Being located in the middle of England ( Loughborough ) wasn't he one of that band of referees who officiated at every League ground in the country?
I wonder which team he supported. I don't recall seeing him at OT but I'm sure he must have refereed there.
This from 2013:
https://www.loughboroughecho.net/news/local-news/royal-honour-silebyman-gilbert-napthine-6259608
What a delightful story. It's good to see someone who has given so much to the game of football, receiving such recognition. I am sure he felt enormously honoured. Tempus fugit; the referee I remember had a shock of black hair ! Napthine is, to me, a most unusual name. I have never ever come across it apart from Gilbert.
Post by: Hendo on Thu 06 May 2021 15:07
In case you can't sleep tonight worrying about the playoff refs this season, here is a list of the playoff refs since 2000 to help you. Seasons 2005/6 (Finals) and 2006/7 (Semis) were obviously vintage seasons so far as refs are concerned. The list appears at the top of General Discussion and I shall update the database once the present season has been concluded.
Play Off Referees 2000 to 2020
1999-2000
Div 1 Semi-finals – M Halsey, R Styles, B Knight, M Dean
Final – T Heilbron
Div 2 Semi-finals – T Heilbron, M Dean, R Styles, D Laws
Final – R Styles
Div 3 Semi-finals – D Laws, B Knight, M Halsey, T Heilbron
Final – M Dean
2000-1
Div 1 Semi-finals – D Laws, D Pugh, R Pearson, P Danson
Final – U Rennie
Div 2 Semi-finals – U Rennie, R Pearson, D Laws, E Wolstenholme
Final – E Wolstenholme
Div 3 Semi-finals – W Burns, E Wolstenholme, U Rennie, D Pugh
Final – D Pugh
2001-2
Div 1 Semi-finals – A Bates, R Furnandiz, A Leake, G Laws
Final – G Barber
Div 2 Semi-finals – A Leake, G Laws, G Barber, M Dean
Final – G Laws
Div 3 Semi-finals – M Dean, G Barber, A Hall, R Furnandiz
Final – A Leake
2002-3
Div 1 Semi-finals – M Clattenburg, A Kaye, H Webb, P Walton
Final – S Bennett
Div 2 Semi-finals – H Webb, S Bennett, J Winter, M Clattenburg
Final – H Webb
Div 3 Semi-finals – J Winter, P Walton, M Fletcher, S Bennett,
Final – A Kaye
2003-4
Div 1 Semi-finals – R Beeby, M Clattenburg, D Pugh, N Barry
Final – G Poll
Div 2 Semi-finals – P Taylor, N Barry, G Poll, G Laws
Final – R Beeby
Div 3 Semi-finals – G Laws, M Jones, M Pike, P Crossley
Final – M Clattenburg
2004-5
Championship Semi-finals – U Rennie, A Marriner, S Dunn, R Beeby
Final – M Riley
L1 Semi-finals – M Jones, B Curson, A Leake, M Atkinson
Final – P Crossley
L2 Semi-finals – G Laws, L Mason, P Crossley, B Knight
Final – M Atkinson
2005-6
Championship Semi-finals – P Crossley, M Jones, M Thorpe, S Tanner
Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – K Stroud, P Taylor, G Laws, C Foy
Final – L Mason
L2 Semi-finals - L Mason, A Hall, M Dean, N Miller
Final – P Taylor
2006-7
Championship Semi-finals – M Jones, S Tanner, A D’Urso, M Halsey
Final – G Poll
L1 Semi-finals - N Miller, I Williamson, G Poll, L Probert
Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – R Beeby, K Stroud, G Laws, T Kettle
Final – M Jones
2007-8
Championship Semi-finals – M Jones, K Friend, H Webb, M Clattenburg
Final – A Wiley
L1 Semi-finals – P Taylor, A Bates, A Wiley, M Halsey
Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – P Armstrong, D Deadman, R Beeby, A D’Urso
Final – S Attwell
2008-9
Championship Semi-finals – A Marriner, M Atkinson, A Wiley, M Riley
Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – S Mathieson, C Oliver, M Halsey, N Swarbrick
Final – M Oliver
L2 Semi-finals – G Laws, K Friend, C Webster, M Oliver
Final – C Oliver
2009 -10
Championship Semi-finals – P Dowd, A Wiley, M Clattenburg, H Webb
Final – A Marriner
L1 Semi-finals – J Linington, D Deadman, N Swarbrick, A Bates
Final – C Webster
L2 Semi-finals – A D’Urso, C Webster, F Graham, E Ilderton
Final – J Linington
2010-11
Championship Semi-finals – M Dean, A Marriner, M Halsey, H Webb
Final – P Dowd
L1 Semi-finals – M Russell, J Moss, N Swarbrick, C Webster
Final – S Tanner
L2 Semi-finals – S Mathieson, R East, K Wright, R Booth
Final – D Deadman
2011-12
Championship Semi-finals – N Swarbrick, M Halsey, M Dean, C Foy
Final – H Webb
L1 Semi-finals – A Bates, D Deadman, N Miller, S Mathieson
Final – R East
L2 Semi-finals – M Naylor, J Adcock, D Drysdale, A D’Urso
Final – C Pawson
2012-3
Championship Semi-finals – N Swarbrick, M Oliver x 2, M Clattenburg
Final – M Atkinson
L1 Semi-finals – S Attwell, G Eltringham, P Gibbs, N Miller
Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – J Adcock, M Russell, G Scott, A Madley
Final – K Stroud
2013-4
Championship Semi-finals – R East, M Jones, M Clattenburg, C Pawson
Final – L Mason
L1 Semi-finals – G Salisbury, I Williamson, M Russell, K Stroud
Final – D Coote
L2 Semi-finals – O Langford, C Boyeson, S Duncan, P Tierney
Final – M Naylor
2014-5
Championship Semi-finals – J Moss, A Taylor, L Mason, R East
Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – M Haywood, D Bond, A D’Urso, K Hill
Final – A Madley
L2 Semi-finals – P Bankes, N Miller, K Stroud, G Scott
Final – S Hooper
2015-6
Championship Semi-finals – A Marriner, N Swarbrick, R East, M Oliver
Final – R Madley
L1 Semi-finals – P Bankes, D Whitestone, D Deadman, T Robinson
Final – S Attwell
L2 Semi-finals – O Langford, S Martin, P Tierney, E Ilderton
Final – I Williamson
2016-7
Championship Semi-finals – S Attwell, P Tierney, M Atkinson, A Marriner
Final – N Swarbrick
L1 Semi-finals – A Madley, O Langford, C Kavanagh, D Coote
Final – S Hooper
L2 Semi-finals – N Miller, D Webb, D Deadman, D Whitestone
Final – D England
2017-8
Championship Semi-finals – R East, R Madley, C Kavanagh, M Dean
Final – A Taylor
L1 Semi-finals – S Hooper, T Robinson, J Simpson, S Duncan
Final – R Jones
L2 Semi-finals – B Toner, D England, G Ward, D Drysdale
Final - D Webb
2018-9
Championship Semi-finals – G Scott, C Pawson, C Kavanagh, A Taylor
Final - P Tierney
L1 Semi-finals – A Woolmer, O Langford, P Bankes, G Ward
Final – A Madley
L2 Semi-Finals – C Breakspear, J Busby, M Salisbury, E Ilderton
Final – R Joyce
2019/20
Championship Semi-finals – K Stroud, G Eltringham, C Kavanagh, P Tierney
Final – M Atkinson
L1 Semi-finals – A Harrington, G Ward, D England, D Bond
Final – R Jones
L2 Semi-finals – J Smith, M Edwards, L Doughty, C Breakspear
Final – M Salisbury
The regularity with which the names Langford and Ward appear on this list fills me with horror!
Post by: Ben on Thu 06 May 2021 15:49
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Thu 06 May 2021 20:15
Now there is an interesting character from the past.Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear
Gilbert Napthine?
Saw Napthine only once, at Highbury. He had a very good match I seem to recall. Being located in the middle of England ( Loughborough ) wasn't he one of that band of referees who officiated at every League ground in the country?
I wonder which team he supported. I don't recall seeing him at OT but I'm sure he must have refereed there.
This from 2013:
https://www.loughboroughecho.net/news/local-news/royal-honour-silebyman-gilbert-napthine-6259608
Maybe not at OT, but I certainly saw him referee Palace v Man Utd at Selhurst Park in Sept 1985, League Cup 2nd rd 1st leg which Utd won 1-0. He had a good game. Vic Callow refereed the 2nd leg which I also saw and which Man Utd won 1-0 again.
Post by: Ref Watcher on Fri 07 May 2021 11:45
He was still observing as recently as 2018/19. I think he has packed up since thoughNo one has done much observing since 2018/19. Maybe he will reappear.
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Tue 11 May 2021 11:52
Post by: Boz on Tue 11 May 2021 22:26
Tranmere sack their manager Keith Hill before the playoffs (BBC). Unbelievable!
Take a look at some of the TRFC forums and Keith Hill's post-match interview after the Colchester game which might give some insight as to why this happened. You might disagree with the decision, but for most Rovers fans it's an understandable one. With Forest Green Rovers having dispensed with their manager a month ago, there's a (slim) possibility that both play-off finalists will be under caretaker bosses.
Post by: TVOS on Tue 11 May 2021 22:51
Tranmere sack their manager Keith Hill before the playoffs (BBC). Unbelievable!
Take a look at some of the TRFC forums and Keith Hill's post-match interview after the Colchester game which might give some insight as to why this happened. You might disagree with the decision, but for most Rovers fans it's an understandable one. With Forest Green Rovers having dispensed with their manager a month ago, there's a (slim) possibility that both play-off finalists will be under caretaker bosses.
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