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General Refereeing => General Discussion => Topic started by: magpie1892 on Sun 25 Apr 2021 17:27
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Not been impressed first half, think he has struggled to control the game and Laporte should have had a yellow much earlier than he did
Doesn't feel like he has control of the game and think not giving Laporte the yellow early on seems to have caused a few tackles from others in frustration which he has then had to give yellows for.
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Agreed if Laporte gets booked he doesn’t make that tackle to get booked or he does and he’s off
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Not been impressed first half, think he has struggled to control the game and Laporte should have had a yellow much earlier than he did
Doesn't feel like he has control of the game and think not giving Laporte the yellow early on seems to have caused a few tackles from others in frustration which he has then had to give yellows for.
And now he’s scored...
Not a good performance from Tierney I’m afraid. He’s been fairly consistent in the last few months but he’s been off the boil today.
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Cup Final syndrome, not wanting to caution to early and be seen to possibly ruin the game, but I think he will reflect and wish he did what would have been done in every other game.
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Poor Paul Tierney, what must he have thought when the only goal is scored by the person he should have sent off??!!
Alas we have all been there, but he's a professional official and he can't afford to make mistakes like that.
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Poor Paul Tierney, what must he have thought when the only goal is scored by the person he should have sent off??!!
Alas we have all been there, but he's a professional official and he can't afford to make mistakes like that.
I am not sure he “must have thought” anything. At the time he didn’t feel it was a booking so never gave it. Laporte was correctly booked later. Maybe being on a yellow he might not have committed the 2nd foul. Who knows?
Hindsight is a wonderful thing
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Exactly that. You can only say it is a missed red card if it is a second yellow that is incorrectly missed. The same doesn't work when it is a first yellow missed as it would be very unlikely that Laporte would have made that challenge had he already been on a caution, rather a different player would have taken out Moura to stop the attack.
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I agree that both of Laporte's challenges merited a YC, but suspect that if he'd been booked for the first one, he'd probably have pulled out of the second, given it happened in the middle of the park, with enough covering defenders to make it unnecessary. While not Mr Tierney's finest moment, hardly in the Phil Dowd league for Cup Final Syndrome.
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Cup Final syndrome, not wanting to caution to early and be seen to possibly ruin the game, but I think he will reflect and wish he did what would have been done in every other game.
Well said carter. If it’s in PL Laporte’s first challenge should be a YC but when it comes to a final, referee should be more cautious about early fouls and try to control the game with words instead of cards. Thus the decision made by Tierney is totally reasonable. Plus even if he is carded earlier, he probably would not make a clumsy challenge on Lucas Moura later, so I’m not convinced by the saying “he should be sent off”.
Overall Paul did a very good game with calmness and authority imo.
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Excellent referee Paul Tierney made a crucial in not booking Laporte in the first half. Booked in the second half which should have led to a red card.
To rub it in for Spurs, he then scores the winner!
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In the 16th minute Reguilon made a blatant "professional" foul on Foden to stop him getting away from him, as clear a yellow card as you are likely to see. Shortly after that De Bruyne decides that if this is the standard of refereeing he can flatten Son after the ball has gone without reprisal. In the 28th minute Reguilon finally gets a yellow card for another rash challenge. Surprised not to see the same indignation for Reguilon not receiving a yellow card for the challenge on Foden as for the Laporte challenges..
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In the 16th minute Reguilon made a blatant "professional" foul on Foden to stop him getting away from him, as clear a yellow card as you are likely to see. Shortly after that De Bruyne decides that if this is the standard of refereeing he can flatten Son after the ball has gone without reprisal. In the 28th minute Reguilon finally gets a yellow card for another rash challenge. Surprised not to see the same indignation for Reguilon not receiving a yellow card for the challenge on Foden as for the Laporte challenges..
Completely agree with you microscopist, if reguilon and laporte had been cautioned earlier, they would both have been stupid to commit the offences they were carded for.
As a few have said you cannot say he should have sent laporte off or reguilon for that matter, as they werent offences committed after receiving a yellow card.
I think overall tierney had quite a good game, probably not as good as he had in the championship play off a few
Years back, he chose to be lenient early on and was consistent in doing so.
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In the 16th minute Reguilon made a blatant "professional" foul on Foden to stop him getting away from him, as clear a yellow card as you are likely to see. Shortly after that De Bruyne decides that if this is the standard of refereeing he can flatten Son after the ball has gone without reprisal. In the 28th minute Reguilon finally gets a yellow card for another rash challenge. Surprised not to see the same indignation for Reguilon not receiving a yellow card for the challenge on Foden as for the Laporte challenges..
This is why the correct term for a Yellow Card is a caution. Its a warning that a repeat offence will result in being dismissed from the field of play. I do realise that I am old (in refereeing terms) and long retired, but we were taught - in refereeing school - that when cautioning a player to actually say to him that committing another cautionable offence will result in dismissal.
You would like to think that had both "stick on" cautions been correctly issued early in the game, the subsequent cautionable offences would not have taken place and the game would have been better for it. Less stoppages = more football. Sometimes a referee just needs to apply the Laws to make it a better game.
(Also in the appointments thread - feel free to edit!)
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Putting aside the question of yellows for Laporte and Regulion, 2 things which cannot be denied -
Firstly City completely overwhelmed Spurs and anything other than victory would have been a travesty. It amuses me when teams like City have 80% of the play, 29 shots to 2 and play some wonderful attacking football without much luck while the defending side are pinned in defence and throw their bodies on the line and then get a break away goal and boldly claim “a deserved victory”. I am thinking here of our games v Spurs earlier in the season and the recent game v Leeds
Secondly Harry Kane once again went missing in a big game ( and cry baby Son was even worse). Unfortunately for Kane he was not playing against San Marino with the chance to become a national hero with 2 penalties and a goal line tap in. I know someone will use the fact he was recently injured but so was De Bruyne and yesterday he was outstanding
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate most of the games they are the better and more deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate most of the games they are the better and more deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
I agree with your point about passing the ball for passing's sake and I have to say that City have become very proficient at that but have lost some of the flair and enterprise that made them so exciting to watch a couple of seasons ago. Maybe other teams have learnt how best to try and nullify them. Incidentally, it's a comment that can also be made of United at times except their passing is less accurate!
However, I do think that what is important is the attempts at goal. If they had 24 attempts yesterday, it shows they were creating chances and the criticism becomes one of poor finishing or choosing wrong options rather than non-creative passing.
There are occasions when a team has defended brilliantly but had only 30% possession and has deserved to win in my view because they have restricted their opponents to few chances but looked dangerous on the counter attack.
As to Paul Tierney's performance, I tend to agree with Leggy's point on applying the laws early. If a referee tries to manage the game by being lenient early on, there is a risk the situation can get out of hand and become more difficult to control. Ask Mark Clattenburg about his experience in that vital Spurs v Chelsea PL game a few seasons ago. However, it seemed to me Tierney, having let off a player on each team without a caution, realised he needed to be firmer and duly took action, although from what I recall the subsequent cards were straightforward decisions. And even Gary Neville pointed out that if players had been cautioned sooner, they may well have not committed the second offence.
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate most of the games they are the better and more deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0 this season. 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴. It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring team is 2nd in the league.
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate most of the games they are the better and more deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0 this season. 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴. It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring team is 2nd in the league.
It does appear to be gratuitously perverse to imply that the leading scorers, and the team with the most shots, in the league are not playing exciting attacking football.
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate most of the games they are the better and more deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0 this season. 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴. It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring team is 2nd in the league.
It does appear to be gratuitously perverse to imply that the leading scorers, and the team with the most shots, in the league are not playing exciting attacking football.
Indeed but Chelsea won the league title in 2004 and 2005 and United won it in 2003 but none of those I would say were amazing swashbuckling sides - however all 3 teams were top scorers in those seasons. Incidentally United have scored only 5 goals fewer than City. I think the shots taken stat is a bit misleading as it includes blocked shots which we all know doesn’t really mean anything.
In fact many would argue that Leeds have been very exciting to watch this season but they’ve scored fewer goals than Spurs who many would say have been less exciting
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate most of the games they are the better and more deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0 this season. 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴. It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring team is 2nd in the league.
It does appear to be gratuitously perverse to imply that the leading scorers, and the team with the most shots, in the league are not playing exciting attacking football.
Indeed but Chelsea won the league title in 2004 and 2005 and United won it in 2003 but none of those I would say were amazing swashbuckling sides - however all 3 teams were top scorers in those seasons. Incidentally United have scored only 5 goals fewer than City. I think the shots taken stat is a bit misleading as it includes blocked shots which we all know doesn’t really mean anything.
In fact many would argue that Leeds have been very exciting to watch this season but they’ve scored fewer goals than Spurs who many would say have been less exciting
Of course, however. City were not the recipients of Southampton's generosity.
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate most of the games they are the better and more deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0 this season. 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴. It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring team is 2nd in the league.
It does appear to be gratuitously perverse to imply that the leading scorers, and the team with the most shots, in the league are not playing exciting attacking football.
Indeed but Chelsea won the league title in 2004 and 2005 and United won it in 2003 but none of those I would say were amazing swashbuckling sides - however all 3 teams were top scorers in those seasons. Incidentally United have scored only 5 goals fewer than City. I think the shots taken stat is a bit misleading as it includes blocked shots which we all know doesn’t really mean anything.
In fact many would argue that Leeds have been very exciting to watch this season but they’ve scored fewer goals than Spurs who many would say have been less exciting
Of course, however. City were not the recipients of Southampton's generosity.
And add in the 6 goals Leeds shipped them in the first game, that makes 15 in 2 games. Take these away and Utd are only the 8th highest scorers behind such teams as Chelsea, West Ham, Liverpool, Spurs and Leeds!
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Hendo- since when has passing the ball for passing’s sake been exciting attacking football. Yes City can pass the ball all they want but City had 24 shots on goal but only 4 on target. And scored only 1 goal.
Yes City might have been the better team on the day but doesn’t mean you deserved to win.
That’s the arrogance of the big teams that because they dominate most of the games they are the better and more deserving side. Football is about scoring goals!
What I would add is that most of City’s games in recent years have been great to watch, with teams pulling out the stops to try and beat them or reduce the damage. Very few City games turn out to be drab affairs.
Contrast with Man Utd, their game v Leeds being their 8th 0 - 0 this season. 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴. It remains one of this seasons great mysteries why such a boring team is 2nd in the league.
It does appear to be gratuitously perverse to imply that the leading scorers, and the team with the most shots, in the league are not playing exciting attacking football.
Indeed but Chelsea won the league title in 2004 and 2005 and United won it in 2003 but none of those I would say were amazing swashbuckling sides - however all 3 teams were top scorers in those seasons. Incidentally United have scored only 5 goals fewer than City. I think the shots taken stat is a bit misleading as it includes blocked shots which we all know doesn’t really mean anything.
In fact many would argue that Leeds have been very exciting to watch this season but they’ve scored fewer goals than Spurs who many would say have been less exciting
Of course, however. City were not the recipients of Southampton's generosity.
And add in the 6 goals Leeds shipped them in the first game, that makes 15 in 2 games. Take these away and Utd are only the 8th highest scorers behind such teams as Chelsea, West Ham, Liverpool, Spurs and Leeds!
Ah, I see. So because United scored 15 goals in 2 games, they don't count. Perhaps you'd be good enough to allow say 3 goals in each of those matches.
Joking apart, I'd be the first to admit United have been very inconsistent. Often boring, sometimes nerve-racking because of defensive frailties, but with occasional flashes of brilliance when attacking and scoring some excellent goals.
As for City, they are without doubt a superb team. Even as a United fan I acknowledged how exciting they could be to watch. Perhaps it's familiarity, but I don't find them quite so entertaining nowadays (but still a worthwhile watch), and as a semi neutral observer, I think it's the loss of David Silva and a fully fit Aguero at his peak that have contributed to that impression.
I genuinely will be pleased to see City win the PL title this season, and if United can retain second place, that would not be a bad accolade for the city of Manchester.
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Putting aside the question of yellows for Laporte and Regulion, 2 things which cannot be denied -
Firstly City completely overwhelmed Spurs and anything other than victory would have been a travesty. It amuses me when teams like City have 80% of the play, 29 shots to 2 and play some wonderful attacking football without much luck while the defending side are pinned in defence and throw their bodies on the line and then get a break away goal and boldly claim “a deserved victory”. I am thinking here of our games v Spurs earlier in the season and the recent game v Leeds
Secondly Harry Kane once again went missing in a big game ( and cry baby Son was even worse). Unfortunately for Kane he was not playing against San Marino with the chance to become a national hero with 2 penalties and a goal line tap in. I know someone will use the fact he was recently injured but so was De Bruyne and yesterday he was outstanding
My lingering memory of the game is Kane being subjected to a superb tackle that took the ball cleanly. He had a momentary think about it and then histrionically threw himself to the floor, complete with facial contortion and associated scream. And this is supposed to be the captain of England, for god's sake! Many players are doing this routinely but I can only think of one who is worse than Kane for these charades. ;)
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Putting aside the question of yellows for Laporte and Regulion, 2 things which cannot be denied -
Firstly City completely overwhelmed Spurs and anything other than victory would have been a travesty. It amuses me when teams like City have 80% of the play, 29 shots to 2 and play some wonderful attacking football without much luck while the defending side are pinned in defence and throw their bodies on the line and then get a break away goal and boldly claim “a deserved victory”. I am thinking here of our games v Spurs earlier in the season and the recent game v Leeds
Secondly Harry Kane once again went missing in a big game ( and cry baby Son was even worse). Unfortunately for Kane he was not playing against San Marino with the chance to become a national hero with 2 penalties and a goal line tap in. I know someone will use the fact he was recently injured but so was De Bruyne and yesterday he was outstanding
My lingering memory of the game is Kane being subjected to a superb tackle that took the ball cleanly. He had a momentary think about it and then histrionically threw himself to the floor, complete with facial contortion and associated scream. And this is supposed to be the captain of England, for god's sake! Many players are doing this routinely but I can only think of one who is worse than Kane for these charades. ;)
Indeed - and the part of his body he clutched while squeelling was nowhere near where any contact may (or may not) have happened. Its a game to play when bored, watch one of these seemingly near fatal challenges in slow motion and spot where the contact is and then where the player clutches his body. Its rarely the same limb, let alone same place on the body!
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Putting aside the question of yellows for Laporte and Regulion, 2 things which cannot be denied -
Firstly City completely overwhelmed Spurs and anything other than victory would have been a travesty. It amuses me when teams like City have 80% of the play, 29 shots to 2 and play some wonderful attacking football without much luck while the defending side are pinned in defence and throw their bodies on the line and then get a break away goal and boldly claim “a deserved victory”. I am thinking here of our games v Spurs earlier in the season and the recent game v Leeds
Secondly Harry Kane once again went missing in a big game ( and cry baby Son was even worse). Unfortunately for Kane he was not playing against San Marino with the chance to become a national hero with 2 penalties and a goal line tap in. I know someone will use the fact he was recently injured but so was De Bruyne and yesterday he was outstanding
My lingering memory of the game is Kane being subjected to a superb tackle that took the ball cleanly. He had a momentary think about it and then histrionically threw himself to the floor, complete with facial contortion and associated scream. And this is supposed to be the captain of England, for god's sake! Many players are doing this routinely but I can only think of one who is worse than Kane for these charades. ;)
I wondered if Fernandes would crop up eventually! 😂
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Putting aside the question of yellows for Laporte and Regulion, 2 things which cannot be denied -
Firstly City completely overwhelmed Spurs and anything other than victory would have been a travesty. It amuses me when teams like City have 80% of the play, 29 shots to 2 and play some wonderful attacking football without much luck while the defending side are pinned in defence and throw their bodies on the line and then get a break away goal and boldly claim “a deserved victory”. I am thinking here of our games v Spurs earlier in the season and the recent game v Leeds
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Secondly Harry Kane once again went missing in a big game ( and cry baby Son was even worse). Unfortunately for Kane he was not playing against San Marino with the chance to become a national hero with 2 penalties and a goal line tap in. I know someone will use the fact he was recently injured but so was De Bruyne and yesterday he was outstanding
My lingering memory of the game is Kane being subjected to a superb tackle that took the ball cleanly. He had a momentary think about it and then histrionically threw himself to the floor, complete with facial contortion and associated scream. And this is supposed to be the captain of England, for god's sake! Many players are doing this routinely but I can only think of one who is worse than Kane for these charades. ;)
Indeed - and the part of his body he clutched while squeelling was nowhere near where any contact may (or may not) have happened. Its a game to play when bored, watch one of these seemingly near fatal challenges in slow motion and spot where the contact it and then where the player clutches. Its rarely the same limb, let alone same place on the body!
Nearly matched by Joao Cancelo who fell over under minimal contact but jumped 5 feet in the air when he was touched. No wonder players are getting injured when they bring it in themselves!
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Putting aside the question of yellows for Laporte and Regulion, 2 things which cannot be denied -
Firstly City completely overwhelmed Spurs and anything other than victory would have been a travesty. It amuses me when teams like City have 80% of the play, 29 shots to 2 and play some wonderful attacking football without much luck while the defending side are pinned in defence and throw their bodies on the line and then get a break away goal and boldly claim “a deserved victory”. I am thinking here of our games v Spurs earlier in the season and the recent game v Leeds
Secondly Harry Kane once again went missing in a big game ( and cry baby Son was even worse). Unfortunately for Kane he was not playing against San Marino with the chance to become a national hero with 2 penalties and a goal line tap in. I know someone will use the fact he was recently injured but so was De Bruyne and yesterday he was outstanding
My lingering memory of the game is Kane being subjected to a superb tackle that took the ball cleanly. He had a momentary think about it and then histrionically threw himself to the floor, complete with facial contortion and associated scream. And this is supposed to be the captain of England, for god's sake! Many players are doing this routinely but I can only think of one who is worse than Kane for these charades. ;)
I wondered if Fernandes would crop up eventually! 😂
Nope, not Fernandez. Clue: Ton up boy!!