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General Refereeing => Referee / Match Official Appointments => Select Group - Premier League => Topic started by: aaa on Tue 26 Jan 2021 12:07
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Sat 30th Jan 2021
Arsenal (First Team) v Manchester United FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Oliver, Michael
Assistant Referee: Burt, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Bennett, Simon
Fourth Official: Jones, Robert
Video Assistant Referee: Tierney, Paul
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Halliday, Andrew
Crystal Palace FC (First Team) v Wolverhampton Wanderers FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Hooper, Simon
Assistant Referee: Ledger, Scott
Assistant Referee: Eaton, Derek
Fourth Official: Martin, Stephen
Video Assistant Referee: Madley, Andrew
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Holmes, Adrian
Everton FC (First Team) v Newcastle United FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Attwell, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Hatzidakis, Constantine
Assistant Referee: Smart, Edward
Fourth Official: Pawson, Craig
Video Assistant Referee: Friend, Kevin
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Beck, Simon
Manchester City FC (First Team) v Sheffield United FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Coote, David
Assistant Referee: Betts, Lee
Assistant Referee: Hopton, Nick
Fourth Official: Moss, Jonathan
Video Assistant Referee: Atkinson, Martin
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Kirkup, Peter
Southampton FC (First Team) v Aston Villa FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Mason, Lee
Assistant Referee: Scholes, Mark
Assistant Referee: Long, Simon
Fourth Official: Robinson, Tim
Video Assistant Referee: Dean, Michael
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Halliday, Andrew
West Bromwich Albion FC (First Team) v Fulham (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Taylor, Anthony
Assistant Referee: Beswick, Gary
Assistant Referee: Nunn, Adam
Fourth Official: Kavanagh, Chris
Video Assistant Referee: Bankes, Peter
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Mainwaring, James
Sun 31st Jan 2021
Brighton & Hove Albion FC (First Team) v Tottenham Hotspur (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Bankes, Peter
Assistant Referee: Davies, Neil
Assistant Referee: Mainwaring, James
Fourth Official: Hooper, Simon
Video Assistant Referee: Coote, David
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Hopton, Nick
Chelsea (First Team) v Burnley FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Scott, Graham
Assistant Referee: Cann, Darren
Assistant Referee: Wood, Timothy
Fourth Official: Jones, Robert
Video Assistant Referee: Oliver, Michael
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Halliday, Andrew
Leicester City FC (First Team) v Leeds United AFC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Kavanagh, Chris
Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
Assistant Referee: Massey-Ellis, Sian
Fourth Official: Taylor, Anthony
Video Assistant Referee: Dean, Michael
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian
West Ham United (First Team) v Liverpool FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Moss, Jonathan
Assistant Referee: Perry, Marc
Assistant Referee: Robathan, Daniel
Fourth Official: Madley, Andrew
Video Assistant Referee: Pawson, Craig
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Beswick, Gary
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Tue 2nd Feb 2021
Manchester United FC (First Team) v Southampton FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Dean, Michael
Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian
Assistant Referee: Cann, Darren
Fourth Official: Mason, Lee
Video Assistant Referee: Scott, Graham
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Child, Stephen
Newcastle United FC (First Team) v Crystal Palace FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: England, Darren
Assistant Referee: Beswick, Gary
Assistant Referee: Hopton, Nick
Fourth Official: Atkinson, Martin
Video Assistant Referee: Marriner, Andre
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Massey-Ellis, Sian
Sheffield United FC (First Team) v West Bromwich Albion FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Tierney, Paul
Assistant Referee: Betts, Lee
Assistant Referee: Lennard, Harry
Fourth Official: Bond, Darren
Video Assistant Referee: Bankes, Peter
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Davies, Neil
Wolverhampton Wanderers FC (First Team) v Arsenal (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Pawson, Craig
Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
Assistant Referee: Kirkup, Peter
Fourth Official: Coote, David
Video Assistant Referee: Moss, Jonathan
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Wood, Timothy
Wed 3rd Feb 2021
Aston Villa FC (First Team) v West Ham United (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Madley, Andrew
Assistant Referee: West, Richard
Assistant Referee: Mainwaring, James
Fourth Official: Salisbury, Michael
Video Assistant Referee: Gillett, Jarred
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Child, Stephen
Burnley FC (First Team) v Manchester City FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Atkinson, Martin
Assistant Referee: Hatzidakis, Constantine
Assistant Referee: Smart, Edward
Fourth Official: Taylor, Anthony
Video Assistant Referee: Attwell, Stuart
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Perry, Marc
Fulham (First Team) v Leicester City FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Jones, Robert
Assistant Referee: Scholes, Mark
Assistant Referee: Robathan, Daniel
Fourth Official: Stroud, Keith
Video Assistant Referee: Mason, Lee
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Wilkes, Matthew Betts, Lee
Leeds United AFC (First Team) v Everton FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Oliver, Michael
Assistant Referee: Burt, Stuart
Assistant Referee: Bennett, Simon
Fourth Official: England, Darren
Video Assistant Referee: Kavanagh, Chris
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Cook, Dan
Liverpool FC (First Team) v Brighton & Hove Albion FC (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Friend, Kevin
Assistant Referee: Beck, Simon
Assistant Referee: Holmes, Adrian
Fourth Official: Tierney, Paul
Video Assistant Referee: Hooper, Simon
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Eaton, Derek
Thu 4th Feb 2021
Tottenham Hotspur (First Team) v Chelsea (First Team)
Premier League
Referee: Marriner, Andre
Assistant Referee: Ledger, Scott
Assistant Referee: Long, Simon
Fourth Official: Madley, Andrew
Video Assistant Referee: Attwell, Stuart
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Nunn, Adam
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SG1 in the FL
Sat 30th Jan 2021
Derby County FC (First Team) v Bristol City (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: England, Darren
Assistant Referee: Hussin, Ian
Assistant Referee: Lennard, Harry
Fourth Official: Whitestone, Dean
Sheffield Wednesday FC (First Team) v Preston North End FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Marriner, Andre
Assistant Referee: West, Richard
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Webb, David
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Oliver with United again barely a month after having them previously. Glad Marriner has a big game. Jones with both Fulham and Leicester again. ???
Taylor with the big game at the bottom and tierney with the relegation 6 pointer on Tuesday.
Edit- Friend with another Brighton away game having done them at Leeds two weeks ago. Marriner on Chelsea for the first time this season.
Jones last game also involved Leicester. Tierney returns to the hawthorns for the first time since that 1-5 defeat to c Palace.
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Burnley with the dreaded duo of Jones and Oliver at Chelsea all be it Jones as 4th. All this about Dyche calling refs by their first name I wonder what he will be calling Jones after his Leeds debacle. I think it’s our first game with Martin Atkinson this season. That makes a change as he’s reffed a lot of Burnley PL games. Scott refereed our last win in the PL in the capital.
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Burnley with the dreaded duo of Jones and Oliver at Chelsea all be it Jones as 4th. All this about Dyche calling refs by their first name I wonder what he will be calling Jones after his Leeds debacle. I think it’s our first game with Martin Atkinson this season. That makes a change as he’s reffed a lot of Burnley PL games. Scott refereed our last win in the PL in the capital.
I hope that Burnley continue their run with Martin Atkinson in charge. Our last 9 games when he has been in charge have all been undefeated and that includes draws with Manchester City and Manchester United plus 7 wins.
He takes charge of our game against City, a game in which we normally concede quite a lot of goals, however, hope springs eternal when yo uare an optimist!
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Good game from Oliver in general handled game well and handed yellows where necessary (other than maguire should have been carded earlier)
Imo (I am an arsenal fan so may hinder my opinion) but Fernandes should have walked, had it been other way round Xhaka would have gone b4 Fernandes could say penalty
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Is there any PL referee who seems to excel as the referee and when they are on VAR duties ? As off top of my head I can’t think of any some excel at refereeing and not do good on VAR duty where as others excel when on VAR duty but not so good when in middle
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Can I ask why people disagree with my quote?
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Can I ask why people disagree with my quote?
Apologies, I meant to comment earlier. I agree that Oliver generally handled the game well but while Fernandes should have got a YC, I didn't think it was a sending-off offence. Neither do I agree with your assertion that Xhaka would have been treated differently. I've seen Arsenal games where Xhaka has been fairly punished, games when perhaps cards have been slightly harsh and other games when he's been treated leniently, so I don't accept he's singled out by referees.
Incidentally, I've not seen an angle that showed clearly the foul on Fernandes for which the Arsenal player was carded. Did VAR look at it for a possible RC. I don't recall.
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OK thank you for your feedback, It might be because I'm an arsenal fan but I think that var, who did look as commentators said so, would have treated it different, even I think had it been a different United player it would have been a red card that might just be me but that's my opinion and I respect yours as well
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Are all the appointments made on a Tuesday now, even when there's no Monday game for an official to potentially get injured in?
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Why "dreaded" duo please?
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Very Harsh penalty
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Very Harsh penalty
It’s a definite penalty - but IMO I don’t see how it can be a red card. Someone will correct me I’m sure but he has made no attempt to tackle him
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Edited out - do NOT question the integrity of a match official
RANT OVER
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Very Harsh penalty
It’s a definite penalty - but IMO I don’t see how it can be a red card. Someone will correct me I’m sure but he has made no attempt to tackle him
Isn't that the problem now because had Luiz tried to tackle him it would have been a penalty and a yellow, however, as the Law now stands, is it not the case that if you commit an offence other than tackling or attempting to get the ball then you receive a red card.
To be honest, after 56 years involved in the game at senior level, I no longer know just what is what isn't a penalty etc and I am usually good at keeping up with changes.
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RANT OVER
Good!
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RANT OVER
Good!
Do you agree?
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Very Harsh penalty
It’s a definite penalty - but IMO I don’t see how it can be a red card. Someone will correct me I’m sure but he has made no attempt to tackle him
If it’s a genuine attempt for the ball it’s yellow. As you state, he made no attempt to tackle him, hence why Pawson went red.
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Very Harsh penalty
It’s a definite penalty - but IMO I don’t see how it can be a red card. Someone will correct me I’m sure but he has made no attempt to tackle him
It is only not a red card if it is a challenge for the ball, there was no challenge at all therefore it has to be DOGSO. Intent doesn't come into play, so if you give a foul there the only possible outcome is a red card for DOGSO.
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Very Harsh penalty
It’s a definite penalty - but IMO I don’t see how it can be a red card. Someone will correct me I’m sure but he has made no attempt to tackle him
If it’s a genuine attempt for the ball it’s yellow. As you state, he made no attempt to tackle him, hence why Pawson went red.
Could someone with a better understanding of the law please confirm my thoughts which (I think?) are the same as what TTFL is saying. Although it may have been an 'accidental' foul as there was clearly no attempt to make a genuine tackle for the ball it has to be a red card? If so something of an anomaly in the law?
I thought the second red card was correct. Pawson in general showing more authority and confidence IMO.
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Very Harsh penalty
It’s a definite penalty - but IMO I don’t see how it can be a red card. Someone will correct me I’m sure but he has made no attempt to tackle him
If it’s a genuine attempt for the ball it’s yellow. As you state, he made no attempt to tackle him, hence why Pawson went red.
Could someone with a better understanding of the law please confirm my thoughts which (I think?) are the same as what TTFL is saying. Although it may have been an 'accidental' foul as there was clearly no attempt to make a genuine tackle for the ball it has to be a red card? If so something of an anomaly in the law?
I thought the second red card was correct. Pawson in general showing more authority and confidence IMO.
I think this video will help you.. it’s from the FA CUP final with Swarbrick and Oliver.
https://youtu.be/Itx_v7TZ3YA
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Very Harsh penalty
It’s a definite penalty - but IMO I don’t see how it can be a red card. Someone will correct me I’m sure but he has made no attempt to tackle him
If it’s a genuine attempt for the ball it’s yellow. As you state, he made no attempt to tackle him, hence why Pawson went red.
Could someone with a better understanding of the law please confirm my thoughts which (I think?) are the same as what TTFL is saying. Although it may have been an 'accidental' foul as there was clearly no attempt to make a genuine tackle for the ball it has to be a red card? If so something of an anomaly in the law?
I thought the second red card was correct. Pawson in general showing more authority and confidence IMO.
I think this video will help you.. it’s from the FA CUP final with Swarbrick and Oliver.
https://youtu.be/Itx_v7TZ3YA
TTFL, many thanks for that clip.
I think its interesting how loosely a genuine attempt for the ball is interpreted (not specifically in that case but looking at some UEFA RAP clips too) its seems that once you go to ground and get somewhere in the general vicinity of the ball you won't get red for DOGSO. I wonder had Luiz simply slid rather than accidentally clip his opponent would he have stayed on the pitch. I think its an anomaly that a totally accidental foul can lead to a red card when I thought the idea of the law change was to punish more cynical DOGSO offences where the only aim is to stop a goal being scored.
Regardless I can see now that under the current laws Mr. Pawson was totally correct to issue the red
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Edited out - do NOT question the integrity of a match official
RANT OVER
i am here to sincerely apolgoize for my behaviour last night as i was so annoyed, i took it out on here. I hope this is accepted as i did not mean to cause offence to any of you or to Craig Pawson
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Edited out - do NOT question the integrity of a match official
RANT OVER
i am here to sincerely apolgoize for my behaviour last night as i was so annoyed, i took it out on here. I hope this is accepted as i did not mean to cause offence to any of you or to Craig Pawson
Thank you for the apology.
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Whoever the VAR is at Elland road they have just missed a clear handball. Oliver has missed it but VAR asleep at the wheel
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What a strange evening with all 5 games resulting in away wins.
The handball incident at Leeds ajb95 mentions was odd in that when bt replayed it I only saw one player appeal and not with any great relish. My first impression was that the ball may have struck slightly high on the arm but could well be wrong. There was no indication that VAR had reviewed it.
Missed the early part but it looked a decent entertaining game as often is the case with Leeds, although it got a bit scrappy for a short period later in the second half. Not a particularly difficult match for Oliver and fortunately no RC challenges in what I saw. Liverpool v City may test him rather more.
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An interesting thought that Liv v Man C will be more of a test.
Gone are the days IMO of the big titans of football clashing (in my time I think of Keane/Viera etc), both sides dont really have an "enforcer" as such. More often than not these games come down to the awarding or non awarding of fks/penalties where fouls have been 'won' or gained by the attacking player just being much better than the defender.
So I do agree it will test the referee, more on his ability to pick up the right offences rather than managing the testesterone fueled challenges we used to see.
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Liverpool's current form at Anfield suggests it may not be the huge battle that fixture normally is. Of course, they may raise their game, but they're not exactly in great form at Anfield.
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I was very intrigued by the differing stances taken over the Bednarek "challenge" on Martial in the Man Utd v Southampton game. When the incident took place Peter Walton summarising on BT Sport just kept repeating "If he hasn't made a challenge for the ball then in has to be a red card" . Presumably this was the main topic of discussion between Graham Scott on VAR and Mike Dean the match official. Conversely when the highlights were shown on Match Of The Day the first thing Dion Dublin said was "Bednarek hasn' t got anywhere near him. His left foot has stopped on the turf and Martial is already falling over without any contact" . If an ex-player can see that there has been no contact and that it shouldn't be a penalty then how come two current SG1 referees and a former SG1 can't pick that out of several re-runs of the incident?
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From one of the angles there was very clear contact. Whether it was enough to take him down is a different question, but there was definitely contact, think it was Bednarek's knee into Martial's thigh if I remember it correctly.