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Title: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 02 Aug 2020 16:51
Preliminary round Semifinals - Saturday 8th August

15:00
SS Tre Fiori FC (SMR) - Linfield FC (NIR)
Referee: Balázs Berke (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Balázs Szert (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Theodoros Georgiou (HUN)
Fourth Official: Gergő Bogár (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andreas Schluchter (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)

18:00
KF Drita (KOS) - Inter Club d'Escaldes (AND)
Referee: Robert Ian Jenkins (WAL)
Assistant Referee 1: Ian Bird (WAL)
Assistant Referee 2: Lewis Ross Edwards (WAL)
Fourth Official: John Andrew Jones (WAL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andreas Schluchter (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)

Final - Tuesday 11th August

18:00
SF 2 - SF 1
Referee: Ioánnis Papadópoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Konstantinos Nikolaḯdis (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Vasílios Nikolakákis (GRE)
Fourth Official: Evángelos Manoúchos (GRE)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andreas Schluchter (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Sun 02 Aug 2020 17:51
Preliminary round Semifinals - Saturday 8th August

15:00
SS Tre Fiori FC (SMR) - Linfield FC (NIR)
Referee: Balázs Berke (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Balázs Szert (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Theodoros Georgiou (HUN)
Fourth Official: Gergő Bogár (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andreas Schluchter (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)


Our top young team, imo.  Would have preferred that team on a game in NIR so I could go to it! Well depending on the travel restrictions of course!
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 02 Aug 2020 18:12
Preliminary round Semifinals - Saturday 8th August

15:00
SS Tre Fiori FC (SMR) - Linfield FC (NIR)
Referee: Balázs Berke (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Balázs Szert (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Theodoros Georgiou (HUN)
Fourth Official: Gergő Bogár (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andreas Schluchter (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)


Our top young team, imo.  Would have preferred that team on a game in NIR so I could go to it! Well depending on the travel restrictions of course!

The new Kassai, Ring and Toth?
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Alitalia on Sun 02 Aug 2020 18:58
bmb , can you describe Balazs Berke  please?
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Sun 02 Aug 2020 20:33
Preliminary round Semifinals - Saturday 8th August

15:00
SS Tre Fiori FC (SMR) - Linfield FC (NIR)
Referee: Balázs Berke (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Balázs Szert (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Theodoros Georgiou (HUN)
Fourth Official: Gergő Bogár (HUN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Andreas Schluchter (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)


Our top young team, imo.  Would have preferred that team on a game in NIR so I could go to it! Well depending on the travel restrictions of course!

The new Kassai, Ring and Toth?

Possibly but no-one will ever top György Ring. Best AR we have ever had. Hungary's Darren Cann. Cann himself agrees György is one of the best in the world & coming from him who is right up at the top of that list is a huge compliment. They are both superb young AR's though. Theodorus has been my 2nd fav (to György) for a few seasons now - very naturally talented young man.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Sun 02 Aug 2020 21:05
bmb , can you describe Balazs Berke  please?

I'm assuming you mean his refereeing style as opposed to me replying 36yrs old, 6'1, slim, dark hair, beautiful dark brown eyes and quite cute! ;) Dreadful hairstyles mind!

He reminds me very much of Clatts. Bit of an arrogant swagger on the pitch, but is lovely and not at all arrogant. His fitness is exceptional, positioning excellent, reads a game very well & gets himself in the best position, can outrun any player on a quick break. Knowledge & application of the LOTG is simply top notch. He was very strict but has calmed slightly with experience and his use of advantages is growing in a very positive way. Very consistent & always fair with both teams. When he does call one wrong he really does so in style & it tends to be a biggie!! (Like Clatts). Very confident in himself mostly in a good way. Will not be told what to do, he will always referee within the LOTG, no amount of directives will change him on a pitch, again like Clatts. Tell him to ignore pushes & he will refuse point blank & punish them regardless as an example. Obviously prepares for games very well, knows the players, teams styles of play and adjusts his position accordingly. Likes to allow a game to flow around him but is not afraid of making the big calls. Often opts for man management ahead of cards, not always correctly, sometimes a yellow has to be given to really calm things down but he is improving in that regard. He has no problem with giving out cards when needed. Very exciting to watch, he has that "wow" factor needed to be a top International referee. Very naturally talented, strong, confident & consistent. Possibly promoted too late to make the elite list but would be easily capable of doing so. His promotion and white badge were delayed as he was considered a bit of a discipline problem down to him doing what he thinks is right as opposed to doing what he is told. By that I'm not suggesting he's not willing to grow & learn because he clearly strives to keep growing as a referee and learns from mistakes but things like directives, he will ignore if doesn't agree with them! If it's in the LOTG he will strive to follow them on the pitch, if it's in a directive telling him to deviate from that even slightly then no chance! Made his EL debut last season in Engordany v Dinamo Tbilisi and put in an absolute masterclass of a performance. It was just wonderful to see.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Alitalia on Mon 03 Aug 2020 08:56
I meant his technical specifications... :)
Thanks for your answer.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 12 Aug 2020 22:59
Dale Johnson on twitter has said " The Champions League preliminary round match between KF Drita and Linfield FC is forfeited by KF Drita 3-0.

The whole Drita squad had been quarantined by Swiss health authorities after two positive COVID tests.

Linfield will now play Legia Warsaw in 1QR."

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1293623861070770178
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Thu 13 Aug 2020 16:30
18-19 August 2020

First Qualifying Round

Ararat Armenia – AC Omonia
Referee: Sebastian Colțescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Radu Ghinguleac (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Vladimir Urzică (ROU)
Fourth Official: Radu Petrescu (ROU)
Referee Observer: Andrejs Sipailo (LVA)

Legia Warszawa – Linfield FC
Referee: Nicolas Laforge (BEL)
Assistant Referee 1: Laurent Conotte (BEL)
Assistant Referee 2: Florian Lemaire (BEL)
Fourth Official: Jan Boterberg (BEL)
Referee Observer: Haim Jakov (ISR)

Dynama Brest – FC Astana
Referee: Tomasz Musiał (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Fourth Official: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Referee Observer: Igor Pristovnik (CRO)

Qarabağ – Sileks
Referee: Yaroslav Kozyk (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Viktor Nyzhnyk (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Volodymyr Korotin (UKR)
Fourth Official: Anatoliy Abdula (UKR)
Referee Observer: Attila Ábrahám (HUN)

Celtic – KR
Referee: Sebastian Gishamer (AUT)
Assistant Referee 1: Markus Gutschi (AUT)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Steinacher (AUT)
Fourth Official: Markus Hameter (AUT)
Referee Observer: Raymond Ellingham (WAL)

Crvena Zvezda – Europa FC
Referee: Timótheos Christofí (CYP)
Assistant Referee 1: Michaíl Sotiríou (CYP)
Assistant Referee 2: Mários Kalogírou (CYP)
Fourth Official: Kyriákos Christodoúlou (CYP)
Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)

Molde FK – KuPS
Referee: Bryn Markham-Jones (WAL)
Assistant Referee 1: Lewiss Edwards (WAL)
Assistant Referee 2: Johnathon Bryant (WAL)
Fourth Official: Simon Lee Evans (WAL)
Referee Observer: Edgar Steinborn (GER)

Flora Tallinn – FK Sūduva
Referee: Nejc Kajtazovič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Manuel Vidali (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomislav Pospeh (SVN)
Fourth Official: Asmir Sagrkovič (SVN)
Referee Observer: Lassin Isaksen (FRO)

Maccabi Tel Aviv – Riga FC
Referee: Igor Pajač (CRO)
Assistant Referee 1: Bojan Zobenica (CRO)
Assistant Referee 2: Vedran Djurak (CRO)
Fourth Official: Ivan Vučković (CRO)
Referee Observer: Michalís Koukoulákis (GRE)

Dinamo Tbilisi – KF Tirana
Referee: Roomer Tarajev (EST)
Assistant Referee 1: Neeme Neemlaid (EST)
Assistant Referee 2: Sander Saga (EST)
Fourth Official: Karl Koppel (EST)
Referee Observer: Asim Xudiyev (AZE)

NK Celje – Dundalk FC
Referee: Vítor Ferreira (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bruno Rodrigues (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Duarte (POR)
Fourth Official: Iancu Vasilica (POR)
Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)

Ferencvárosi TC – Djurgardens IF
Referee: Fedayi San (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Sladan Josipovic (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Pascal Hirzel (SUI)
Fourth Official: Alain Bieri (SUI)
Referee Observer: Luc Wouters (BEL)

Sheriff Tiraspol – Fola Esch
Referee: Balázs Berke (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: Vencel Tóth (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Balázs Szert (HUN)
Fourth Official: Gergő Bogár (HUN)
Referee Observer: Vadims Direktorenko (LVA)

Connahs Quay Nomads – FK Sarajevo (Cardiff City Stadium)
Referee: Jamie Robinson (NIR)
Assistant Referee 1: Gareth Eakin (NIR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paul Robinson (NIR)
Fourth Official: Lee Tavinder (NIR)
Referee Observer: Kenneth Clark (SCO)

Buducnost Podgorica – PFC Ludogorets
Referee: Ferenc Karakó (HUN)
Assistant Referee 1: István Albert (HUN)
Assistant Referee 2: Theodoros Georgiou (HUN)
Fourth Official: Ádám Farkas (HUN)
Referee Observer: Karel Vidlák (CZE)

KI – Slovan Bratislava
Referee: Kristoffer Hagenes (NOR)
Assistant Referee 1: Tom Grřnevik (NOR)
Assistant Referee 2: Geir Isaksen (NOR)
Fourth Official: Sigurd Kringstad (NOR)
Referee Observer: Cyril Zimmermann (SUI)

Floriana FC – CFR Cluj
Referee: Laurent Kopriwa (LUX)
Assistant Referee 1: Joaquim Da Silva (LUX)
Assistant Referee 2: Claude Ries (LUX)
Fourth Official: Jérémy Muller (LUX)
Referee Observer: Chrístos Nikolaidis (CYP)
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Thu 13 Aug 2020 16:39
Interesting that Northern Ireland’s Jamie Robinson make his European debut at the Cardiff City Stadium for the Connahs Quay match. Unusual for a British official to referee a fellow British team in European Competition.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:20
Ki v Slovan Bratislava postponed is this due to COVID tests being positive ?
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 19 Aug 2020 15:53
Ki v Slovan Bratislava postponed is this due to COVID tests being positive ?

Yes. Positive test for someone from Bratislava - reports suggest the physio. Entire squad now in quarantine due to the local rules on the faroe Islands. Bratislava have until Friday to bring over their reserve team/youth team to play the game or they will forfeit it.

Sounds like a clash going on with UEFA & the local authorities. Under UEFA procol the players are allowed to play if they repeatedly test negative, which they have but the final decision is up to the authorities in the Faroe Isles who have quarantined everyone who arrived on Monday as per their local rules. UEFA are trying to persuade them to release the players testing negative  from quarantine & allow them to play the game. Bratislava have said they will fly further players over.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Fri 21 Aug 2020 12:38
Klaksvik v Bratislava due to be played today postponed due to COVID for a 2nd time
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Fri 21 Aug 2020 13:57
Correction not postponed so game is still going ahead
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Fri 21 Aug 2020 14:51
Changed again postponed
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Fri 21 Aug 2020 21:04
will they put Bratislava through after the game against Klaksvik being called off twice?
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Fri 21 Aug 2020 21:54
will they put Bratislava through after the game against Klaksvik being called off twice?

It was someone from Bratislava that tested positive with covid but it appeared that the local authority worked against UEFA in relation to quarantining all Bratislava's players who UEFA had cleared because they repeatedly tested negative. It depends therefore if UEFA decide them to have been unreasonable with quarantining players they themselves had deemed fit or if they hold Bratislava responsible due to the physio testing positive with covid in the first place.

It appears the local authorities claim that one of the reserve squad who arrived yesterday also tested positive and have now quarantined a 2nd plane load of Slovaks. Bratislava are disputing it saying he tested negative prior to flying.

UEFA yet to make a decision but it is likely to be that Klaksvik are awarded a 3-0 win and will go into the next round.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: BAFRA #217 on Fri 21 Aug 2020 22:28
From the UEFA regulations:

(ii) If restrictions imposed by the national/local authorities of the home club’s country apply to the visiting club, the home club must propose a suitable alternative venue which may be in a neutral country (within the territory of a UEFA member association) that would allow the match to take place without any restrictions for both clubs. If the home club fails to propose such suitable alternative venue, the club in question will be held responsible for the match not taking place and the match will be declared by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body to be forfeited by the home club, which will be considered to have lost it 3-0.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Sat 22 Aug 2020 07:15
25-26 August 2020

Second Qualifying Round

PAOK – Besiktas
Referee: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Matteo Passeri (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Dario Cecconi (ITA)
Fourth Official: Gianpaolo Calvarese (ITA)
Referee Observer: Fredy Fautrel (FRA)

Tirana – Crvena Zvezda
Referee: Kaspar Sjöberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Peter Magnusson (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Mikael Hallin (SWE)
Fourth Official: Mohammed Al-Hakim (SWE)
Referee Observer: Vadims Direktorenko (LVA)

AZ Alkmaar – Viktoria Plzen
Referee: Luis Godinho (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Teixeira (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Luis Campos (POR)
Fourth Official: Andre Narciso (POR)
Referee Observer: Matteo Trefoloni (ITA)

Qarabağ – Sheriff Tiraspol
Referee: Furkat Atazhanov (KAZ)
Assistant Referee 1: Sergey Kalachyov (KAZ)
Assistant Referee 2: Darkhan Tulegenov (KAZ)
Fourth Official: Grigoriy Moskovchenko (KAZ)
Referee Observer: Michal Beneš (CZE)

Celje – Molde
Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan de Vries (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Fourth Official: Siemen Mulder (NED)
Referee Observer: Kóstas Kapitanís (CYP)

Suduva – Maccabi Tel Aviv
Referee: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Matej Žunič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Grega Kordež (SVN)
Fourth Official: David Smajc (SVN)
Referee Observer: Marian Ružbarsky (SVK)

Lokomotiva Zagreb – Rapid Wien
Referee: Juan Martinez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Alonso Fernandez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Miguel Martinez Munuera (ESP)
Fourth Official: Santiago Jaime Latre (ESP)
Referee Observer: Stephane Lannoy (FRA)

Ludogorets – Midtjylland
Referee: Denys Shurman (UKR)
Assistant Referee 1: Oleksandr Korniyko (UKR)
Assistant Referee 2: Oleksandr Zhukov (UKR)
Fourth Official: Mykola Kryvonosov (UKR)
Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)

Dinama Brest – Sarajevo
Referee: Loukas Sotiriou (CYP)
Assistant Referee 1: Charalampos Georgiou (CYP)
Assistant Referee 2: Nikos Egglezou (CYP)
Fourth Official: Vasilis Dimitriou (CYP)
Referee Observer: Stefano Podeschi (SMR)

Legia Warszawa – Omonia
Referee: Nathan Verboomen (BEL)
Assistant Referee 1: Mathias Hillaert (BEL)
Assistant Referee 2: Ruben Wyns (BEL)
Fourth Official: Erik Lambrechts (BEL)
Referee Observer: Vitor Melo Pereira (POR)

CFR Cluj – Dinamo Zagreb
Referee: Antonio Nobre (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bruno Jesus (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Nuno Pereira (POR)
Fourth Official: Joao Bento (POR)
Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)

Young Boys – KI/Slovan Bratislava
Referee: Athanasios Tzilos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasileios Nikolakakis (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Andreas Meintanas (GRE)
Fourth Official: Dimitrios Karantonis (GRE)
Referee Observer: Vladimír Medved (SVK)

Celtic – Ferencvaros
Referee: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Charles Schaap (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Bas van Dongen (NED)
Fourth Official: Jeroen Manschot (NED)
Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sat 22 Aug 2020 10:57
The biggest match of the round, for political reasons, goes to Sjöberg (SWE). Both Dutch officials make their debut.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sun 23 Aug 2020 15:09
young boys qualifier due tues/wed so a decision is due
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 23 Aug 2020 16:46
The biggest match of the round, for political reasons, goes to Sjöberg (SWE). Both Dutch officials make their debut.

Any news on the UEFA referees committee edy? They usually have a shake up of the members around this time IIRC?

Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: nh on Tue 25 Aug 2020 03:06
The biggest match of the round, for political reasons, goes to Sjöberg (SWE). Both Dutch officials make their debut.

Any news on the UEFA referees committee edy? They usually have a shake up of the members around this time IIRC?

I believe UEFA bodies change every four years. Don't think the committee will be altered until 2023 - barring any retirements.
Title: Re: UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: spk on Tue 25 Aug 2020 11:56
Klaksvik are trough

Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga, bmb

will they put Bratislava through after the game against Klaksvik being called off twice?

It was someone from Bratislava that tested positive with covid but it appeared that the local authority worked against UEFA in relation to quarantining all Bratislava's players who UEFA had cleared because they repeatedly tested negative. It depends therefore if UEFA decide them to have been unreasonable with quarantining players they themselves had deemed fit or if they hold Bratislava responsible due to the physio testing positive with covid in the first place.

It appears the local authorities claim that one of the reserve squad who arrived yesterday also tested positive and have now quarantined a 2nd plane load of Slovaks. Bratislava are disputing it saying he tested negative prior to flying.

UEFA yet to make a decision but it is likely to be that Klaksvik are awarded a 3-0 win and will go into the next round.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Mon 07 Sep 2020 15:55
Chris Kavanagh (with Cook, Betts and Bankes) has 3rd Qual Road game in Cyprus. Great appointment on the back of his Nations Cup game
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 07 Sep 2020 16:09
Chris Kavanagh (with Cook, Betts and Bankes) has 3rd Qual Road game in Cyprus. Great appointment on the back of his Nations Cup game

Should be a good one!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 08 Sep 2020 13:44
Tuesday 15 September

19:00 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) - AZ Alkmaar (NED)
Referee: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Gal Leibovitz (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Marcin Stefański (POL)

20:00 CET - Thessaloniki (Stádio Toúmbas)
PAOK FC (GRE) - SL Benfica (POR)
Referee:  Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Emmanuelle Puttaert (FRA)

20:00 CET - KAA Gent Stadium, Ghent (BEL)
KAA Gent (BEL) - SK Rapid Wien (AUT)
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg /(SWE)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Patrick Filipek (CZE)

Wednesday 16 September

17:00 CET - Nicosia (GSP)
Omonia FC (CYP) - FK Crvena zvezda (SRB)
Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Dan Cook (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Lee Betts (ENG)
Fourth Official: Peter Bankes (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Anna Kapasoglou (GRE)

19:00 CET - Tel Aviv (Bloomfield Stadium)
Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) - FC Dynamo Brest (BLR)
Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefano Alassio (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Luis Medina Cantalejo (ESP)
UEFA Delegate:Iva Olivari-Uliša (CRO)

19:00 CET - Budapest (Ferencváros Stadion)
Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) - GNK Dinamo (CRO)
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan Seidel (GER)
Fourth Official: Florian Badsttübner (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefan Messner (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)

20:30 CET - Herning (Herning Arena)
FC Midtjylland (DEN) - BSC Young Boys (SUI)
Referee: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Martin Margaritov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Diyan Valkov (BUL)
Fourth Official: Vladimir Valkov (BUL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Gijs De Jong (BEL)

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Tue 08 Sep 2020 16:47
Kavanagh in some very good company there both past/present and future.
Hope it is the start of a great European career
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 08 Sep 2020 16:56
Kavanagh in some very good company there both past/present and future.
Hope it is the start of a great European career

I wonder if Kavanagh will be in line for elite in a couple of years... he seems to be accelerating faster than Pawson and Attwell have in recent times.

He is certainly due a big derby in the PL soon surely like Arsenal v Tottenham etc etc.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Hertsref123 on Tue 08 Sep 2020 17:23
I'd imagine he's the next english candidate for elite level, time seems to have past the likes of pawson, tierney and attwell, and uefa clearly prefer them in the var role. After Kavanagh it will probably be Rob Jones.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: nh on Tue 08 Sep 2020 18:47
Kavanagh definitely looks like he's being fast tracked. Rosetti and co. seem to rate him highly.

Also interesting to see such a senior elite official like Brych assigned to this round. Usually we don't see the big hitters until the play offs.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Tue 08 Sep 2020 19:02
Kavanagh certainly gets some big appointments. But after his performance at the UYL final, I doubt that he is Elite material.

Strange that Brych is used on this round but I suspect that this appointment is linked with the Greek Cup final played on 12/09. Brych is also appointed there.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 08 Sep 2020 20:07
Kavanagh certainly gets some big appointments. But after his performance at the UYL final, I doubt that he is Elite material.

Strange that Brych is used on this round but I suspect that this appointment is linked with the Greek Cup final played on 12/09. Brych is also appointed there.

What happened in the UYF edy??

I think Kavanagh May well be promoted if not Jan then possibly next June. In terms of big derbies, he’s had Liverpool v Everton. Some would argue there is no bigger derby in the PL..
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Tue 08 Sep 2020 20:43
Kavanagh certainly gets some big appointments. But after his performance at the UYL final, I doubt that he is Elite material.

Strange that Brych is used on this round but I suspect that this appointment is linked with the Greek Cup final played on 12/09. Brych is also appointed there.

What happened in the UYF edy??

I think Kavanagh May well be promoted if not Jan then possibly next June. In terms of big derbies, he’s had Liverpool v Everton. Some would argue there is no bigger derby in the PL..

Here are some clips from the final

45' - onside call by AR2
https://streamable.com/nbv5f7

59' - violent conduct by BEN #17?
https://streamable.com/kme6yi

67' - penalty awarded for tripping
https://streamable.com/7x9n4z

69' - penalty incident (handball)
https://streamable.com/e71q07

75' - violent conduct by BEN GK?
https://streamable.com/1ubf18

80' - penalty incident (holding)
https://streamable.com/3efpev

83' - penalty incident (RMA goalkeeper's intervention)
https://streamable.com/tl1jwy

87' - violent conduct by BEN #17?
https://streamable.com/swkuy1

89' - violent conduct by BEN #17?
https://streamable.com/f8d9j7

90' - violent conduct by RMA #12?
https://streamable.com/zk5zty
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 08 Sep 2020 21:45
Kavanagh certainly gets some big appointments. But after his performance at the UYL final, I doubt that he is Elite material.

Strange that Brych is used on this round but I suspect that this appointment is linked with the Greek Cup final played on 12/09. Brych is also appointed there.

What happened in the UYF edy??

I think Kavanagh May well be promoted if not Jan then possibly next June. In terms of big derbies, he’s had Liverpool v Everton. Some would argue there is no bigger derby in the PL..

Here are some clips from the final

45' - onside call by AR2


59' - violent conduct by BEN #17?


67' - penalty awarded for tripping


69' - penalty incident (handball)


75' - violent conduct by BEN GK?


80' - penalty incident (holding)


83' - penalty incident (RMA goalkeeper's intervention)


87' - violent conduct by BEN #17?


89' - violent conduct by BEN #17?


90' - violent conduct by RMA #12?


Here’s my view on these incidents. Overall I think Kavanagh has done well with judgement but I think the way he deals with the incidents could be stronger/vocal. Obviously I haven’t seen the entire game so don’t know what it’s been like
Ignoring the offside:
1. Not violent conduct - hardly any contact white player makes the most of it. Free kick maximum
2. Good decision for penalty - trip by white defender
3. Good decision - no handball by defender
4. Not VC by red goalkeeper - shoves him with shoulder into his chest - yellow card correct decision. Maybe a yellow for awful play acting by white 11 who goes down holding his face
5. Not sure about this penalty shout. Can’t tell from that angle if there’s any holding, would need to see other angles
6. No foul by keeper plays ball cleanly
7. Again no VC by red 17. Little contact, white player again overreacts makes most of it.
8. Same as before, don’t even think he touches white player
9. This one I think could have been dealt with better. Free kick for push by white 2 is clear, but he allows them to get too close which causes small fracas. I Think White 2 kicks out but impossible to see clearly unless close up. Should be red card for white 2 for VC.

I should add I can’t believe the awful play acting and overreacting to the fouls here- and these are 17-18-19 yo kids. Teach em young!!


Edited to remove the videos - it will slow down the site badly for those on mobile phones. If anyone needs to look at them they are in Edy's post. bmb x
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Thu 17 Sep 2020 14:20
Wednesday 16 September


19:00 CET - Budapest (Ferencváros Stadion)
Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) - GNK Dinamo (CRO)
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan Seidel (GER)
Fourth Official: Florian Badsttübner (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefan Messner (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)


If wanting to be picky there were some minor decisions I didn't agree with, both ways but overall a decent enough performance from this ref. Fitness was good, quickly built up a great rapport with both teams, lots of talking that looked pretty relaxed in nature. One offside call from AR2 that I don't think was correct but we never got to see a replay because it led to a bit of fun and games and a strippagram ref! Ref was tapping his headset and seemed to be indicating to players of both sides that there was a problem with the comms system, he went over to AR2 who then lifted up the refs shirt and was having a fiddle with something under his shirt, couldn't see what as it was the opposite side to the cameramen. This was followed by the ref returning to the pitch and spending some time re-adjusting himself, which also involved partially pulling his shorts down! Not too much on display for the ladies watching but it was a highlight in the game!! ;D

If UEFA wish to send strippagram refs to Hungary in the future then Missy bmb would be happy to supply a list of candidates for the role! ;)

The Fradi fans were amazing - not allowed in the ground as per UEFA's rules so they set up their own fanzone around the perimeter of the ground and the noise was phenomenal. I had praised Fradi getting the fake crowd noise spot on but it wasn't fake, it was the fans outside! The TV company didn't show them until the end of the game. They were literally non stop noise. I think many will still be there celebrating! Fair play to the Rendőrség who just let them get on with it, the relationship between the ultras and the Rendőrség is not the best shall we say but they weren't in overkill numbers as is often the case and they just stood back ensuring the fans stayed off the roads but allowing them to enjoy the occasion.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 20 Sep 2020 09:13
22 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Prague (Eden Arena)
SK Slavia Praha (CZE) - FC Midtjylland (DEN)
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Scott Struthers (SCO)

22 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Tel Aviv (Bloomfield Stadium)
Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) - FC Salzburg (AUT)
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Andrew Madley (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Řepka (CZE)

22 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Krasnodar (Stadium Krasnodar)
FC Krasnodar (RUS) - PAOK FC (GRE)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Frédéric Haquette (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérémie Pignard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Uno Tutk (EST) 
UEFA Delegate: Adrian Ixari (MDA)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Sun 20 Sep 2020 19:36
Assuming Michael Oliver carried out his VAR duties today for the Chelsea - Liverpool game, he doesn't have a lot of time before his game in Tel Aviv on Tuesday.
It made me wonder about travelling arrangements.  I'm not sure if there are direct scheduled flights between London and Tel Aviv at present.  Are UEFA using private jets when necessary, especially given the risk of flights being cancelled anyway?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Readingfan on Sun 20 Sep 2020 21:35
Assuming Michael Oliver carried out his VAR duties today for the Chelsea - Liverpool game, he doesn't have a lot of time before his game in Tel Aviv on Tuesday.
It made me wonder about travelling arrangements.  I'm not sure if there are direct scheduled flights between London and Tel Aviv at present.  Are UEFA using private jets when necessary, especially given the risk of flights being cancelled anyway?

An interesting question, to which I don't know the answer! Presumably if they were getting general flights then quarantine rules would apply (where relevant) so I wouldn't be surprised if they have specialist provisions.

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 20 Sep 2020 21:47
Maccabi Tel-Aviv today announced 13 cases of Coronavirus on players and staff. They request from UEFA to postpone the UCL match with Salzburg.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Sun 20 Sep 2020 21:49
Maccabi Tel-Aviv today announced 13 cases of Coronavirus on players and staff. They request from UEFA to postpone the UCL match with Salzburg.

If they can’t play they should withdraw a do us all a favour especially the English contingent
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 21 Sep 2020 09:10
Playoffs- first leg:

23 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Piraeus (Stadio Georgios Karaiskakis)
Olympiacos FC (GRE) - Omonoia FC (CYP)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Charles Schaack (LUX)
UEFA Delegate: Miroslav Liba (CZE) 

23 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Molde (Molde Stadion)
Molde FK (NOR) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoechea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Cyril Zimmermann (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Eugčne Westerink (NED)

23 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Gent (KAA Gent Stadium)
KAA Gent (BEL) - FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 21 Sep 2020 13:29
Maccabi Tel-Aviv today announced 13 cases of Coronavirus on players and staff. They request from UEFA to postpone the UCL match with Salzburg.

If they can’t play they should withdraw a do us all a favour especially the English contingent

I think it has to be played within 48 hours or they forfeit the game as a 3-0 defeat. They are given the chance to field their youth/B side first & if they can't do so then they are gone.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Tue 22 Sep 2020 09:38
Do I take it that Oliver's game in Tel Aviv is going ahead then?  Can't help wondering how he and his team feel about it personally but they've just got to get on with it and hopefully put in a good performance.   
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 23 Sep 2020 22:23
Playoffs- first leg:

23 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Molde (Molde Stadion)
Molde FK (NOR) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Fourth Official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoechea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Cyril Zimmermann (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Eugčne Westerink (NED)


Absolutely superb performance from this referee tonight but 1 penalty shout that who knows!!! Fitness and movement around the pitch excellent. Great rapport with players from both teams. Calmly explained some decisions which was well received by players. 2 massive decisions. One non penalty call - ball hit the defender well above the sleeve line and his arm from the elbow up was touching his body. The defender was halfway to the floor and partially facing away. He ruled it out immediately but asked for a VAR review - explained to the players it was being reviewed. Did an on screen review and stuck with his original corner decision - I think correctly. Not even 5 mins later, similar call at the opposite end. This time the ball hit slightly lower down the arm and the player was standing up facing the striker. I felt his arm was close into his body and in a natural position. Not a pen in my head but probably a pen within the current dreadful LOTG.  Been trying to explain the difference to the magyar foci crowd and they are completely baffled! None of us agree that Fradi should have had a penalty but whether or not the decision was correct is another matter! Would like someone else to have a look and tell me.  As soon as I have a link I will add it.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 23 Sep 2020 22:42
Playoffs- first leg:
23 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Gent (KAA Gent Stadium)
KAA Gent (BEL) - FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)


Just watching the highlights. Goal for the white team ruled offside initially, Hategan went and reviewed and gave the goal. Correctly in my opinion. The player who scored was not offside when the initial ball was played and hit a defender on it's path towards him. There was a player offside but at the far side and was not interfering.

Only mentioning it because we all know how much I 'love' Hategan!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Thu 24 Sep 2020 07:49
That will also disappoint the Irrati "fans" if his involvement led to a correct decision
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Thu 24 Sep 2020 16:24
Perhaps a reason why Hategan is not considered for big matches is the mistakes made by his assistants. It reminds me the situation with Skomina and Kassai at 2014 WC (even though their omission was a political choice).
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 28 Sep 2020 14:52
30 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Herning (Arena Herning)
FC Midtjylland (DEN) - SK Slavia Praha (CZE)
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Loukas Siotropos (GRE)

30 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Salzburg (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Salzburg (AUT) - Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)   
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Markus Stenger (GER)

30 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Thessaloniki (Stadio Toumba)
PAOK FC (GRE) - FC Krasnodar (RUS)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2:  Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Filippo Meli (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Pascal Garibian (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Kieran O'Connor (WAL)

No surprise to see the big hitters out for the second legs.... Skomina not with his usual second AR.... Has Vukan left the list do we know?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 28 Sep 2020 15:33

No surprise to see the big hitters out for the second legs.... Skomina not with his usual second AR.... Has Vukan left the list do we know?

No, Vukan is still on the FIFA list. Perhaps he is injured?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 28 Sep 2020 17:42
Playoff Second Legs:

29 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Nicosia (GSP)
Omonoia FC (CYP) - Olympiacos FC (GRE)
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alain Hamer (LUX)
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon (BEL)

29 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Budapest (Ferencváros Stadion)
Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) - Molde FC (NOR)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Danilo Filacchione (ITA)

29 September 2020, 21:00 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) - KAA Gent (BEL)
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomasz Listkiewicz (POL)
Fourth Official: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Pawel Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: Miroslaw Ryszka (POL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 29 Sep 2020 16:27
Proper big name in Hungary tonight!

Pleasing to see.

Hajrá Fradi!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Tue 29 Sep 2020 16:35
One of the best of his generation
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Thu 01 Oct 2020 15:43
He can come again! Truth is we barely noticed him there this time. The game was dire but he did what he had to when he had to in a quiet understated way. Brilliant to see such a decent referee on home soil.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Thu 01 Oct 2020 17:31
Has a very disarming, wicked smile
Showed his class
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Thu 01 Oct 2020 17:48
A tough draw for Ferencvaros.

They’ll bank Ł13.61m for being in the group stage minimum.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Thu 01 Oct 2020 18:47
A tough draw for Ferencvaros.

They’ll bank Ł13.61m for being in the group stage minimum.

Fradi were never going to get passed the group stage, the fact they made it there is just huge for Hungarian football in general. Glad I will get media accreditation for when Ronaldo & Messi are in town! Rebrov gets to pit his wits against his old club as well, probably the only games in which they might realistically steal a point! Obscene amount of money and probably what our league receives as a whole across a season!!! 

I'm excited about the quality of referees we will get.  There are many fantastic Group 2 & 3 referees but we are going to actually see some of the big names in Budapest which is a rare thing indeed. Would love to see Kovács István live so if anyone from UEFA is looking in please take note! ;) Not sure if he is allowed to referee Hungarian teams though, although he's classed as Romanian he is ethnic Hungarian & does hold dual citizenship.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Thu 01 Oct 2020 20:22
A tough draw for Ferencvaros.

They’ll bank Ł13.61m for being in the group stage minimum.

I'm excited about the quality of referees we will get.  There are many fantastic Group 2 & 3 referees but we are going to actually see some of the big names in Budapest which is a rare thing indeed. Would love to see Kovács István live so if anyone from UEFA is looking in please take note! ;) Not sure if he is allowed to referee Hungarian teams though, although he's classed as Romanian he is ethnic Hungarian & does hold dual citizenship.

You will, most likely, see 2 Elite referees (with Barcelona and Juventus) in Budapest and a First Group (with Dynamo).
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Sun 04 Oct 2020 14:44
Would love to see Kovács István live so if anyone from UEFA is looking in please take note! ;) Not sure if he is allowed to referee Hungarian teams though, although he's classed as Romanian he is ethnic Hungarian & does hold dual citizenship.

I am told that he can't referee Hungary or Hungarian teams

I guess he is ruled out of refereeing DAC as well. Although Slovenian they are an ethnic Hungarian team. Do you know Edy? There are a few ethnic Hungarian teams dotted about - Slovenia, Slovakia, Croatia, Serbia and Romania!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 18 Oct 2020 09:47
20 October 2020

18:55 CET - Zenit (Saint Petersburg Stadium)
Football Club Zenit (RUS) - Club Brugge (BEL) | Group F
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Frédéric Haquette (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Fourth Official: Karim Abed (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefano Podeschi (SMR)
UEFA Delegate: Milovan Đukanović (MNE)

18:55 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) - Juventus (ITA) | Group G
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorgh (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Willem Van Dop (NED)

21:00 CET - Rennes (Roazhon Park)
Stade Rennais FC (FRA) - FC Krasnodar (RUS) | Group E
Referee: Anastasios Sidiropoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Polychronis Kostaras (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Lazaros Dimitriadis (GRE)
Fourth Official: Ioannis Papadopoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee:  Fabio Maresca (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan W. Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Oskam (NED)

21:00 CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Sevilla FC (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Stefano Alassio (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Alberto Tegoni (ITA)
Fourth Official: Gianpaolo Calvarese (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Fisketjonn (NOR)

21:00 CET - Rome (Stadio Olimpico)
S.S. Lazio (ITA) - Borussia Dortmund (GER) | Group F
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1:  Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rune Pedersen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Lars Richt (SWE)

21:00 CET -  Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) | Group G
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stephane De Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Fedayi San (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Mertinyák (SVK)

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester United FC (ENG) | Group H
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Diaz Perez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guilllermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Irakli Nakaidze (GEO)

21:00 CET - Leipzig (RB Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) | Group H
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Diego Barbero Sevilla (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Ángel Nevado Rodríguez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoechea (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ińigo Prieto López de Ceraín (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alfredo Trentalange (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Charles Schaack (LUX)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 18 Oct 2020 09:49
Lahoz with the first big clash of the CL group stage. Decent appointment for Schärer at the Camp Nou with an important observer.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Sun 18 Oct 2020 10:13
Is Massa category 1?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 18 Oct 2020 10:30
Yes, he is. Rosetti is probably looking for the new Italian Elite.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 18 Oct 2020 10:52
Yes, he is. Rosetti is probably looking for the new Italian Elite.

Would you rate Massa highly Edy?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 18 Oct 2020 11:13
I think that he is a good referee but he is not ready for the Elite group yet.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 18 Oct 2020 15:59
I think that he is a good referee but he is not ready for the Elite group yet.

Agree, it seems Rosetti and co. will be making him the next Italian elite ASAP though, I suppose not too unexpected really 
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 18 Oct 2020 16:25
There does seem to be a lot of favouritism towards Italian officials. I’m surprised a high level game has gone to a first group official and yet the lesser ties have gone to the elite group officials.

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Sun 18 Oct 2020 16:46
20 October 2020


21:00 CET -  Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) | Group G
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stephane De Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Fedayi San (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Mertinyák (SVK)

Happy to see this ref on the game. He was excellent in the Nations League game v Serbia.

Still can't believe Hungary have a team in the CL! The whole country will come to a standstill during the match with everyone regardless of team cheering Fradi on. Just not an absolute humiliation please dear god of football!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sun 18 Oct 2020 18:41
You will be fine Senor Irrational has the zapper 😉
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 18 Oct 2020 18:59
You will be fine Senor Irrational has the zapper 😉

How Irrati is still doing VAR despite numerous **** ups is baffling. He is always senior VAR too....
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 19 Oct 2020 09:37
21 October 2020

18:55 CET - Salzburg (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Salzburg (AUT) - FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) | Group A
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

18:55 CET - Madrid (Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) | Group B
Referee: Srdjan Jovanović (SRB)
Assistant Referee 1: Uroš Stojković (SRB)
Assistant Referee 2: Milan Mihajlović (SRB)
Fourth Official: Novak Simović (SRB)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Eugčne Westerink (NED)

21:00 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena)
FC Bayern München (GER) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) | Group A
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Andrew Madley (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Craig Pawson (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Jean Paul Mievis (BEL)

21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
FC Internazionale (ITA) - VfL Borussia Mönnchengladbach | Group B
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Allan Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jan de Vries (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ichko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)

21:00 CET - Piraeus (Stadio Georgios Karaiskakis)
Olympiacos FC (GRE) - Olympique de Marseille (FRA) | Group C
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2:  Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Fourth Official: Piero Giacomelli (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee:  Giorgio Peretti (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolphe Mannaerts (BEL)

21:00 CET - Manchester (City of Manchester Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - FC Porto (POR) | Group C
Referee: Andris Treimanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 1: Haralds Gudermanis (LVA)
Assistant Referee 2: Aleksejs Spasjonnikovs (LVA)
Fourth Official: Aleksandrs Golubevs (LVA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Jeroen Roest (NED)

21:00 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - Liverpool FC (ENG) | Group D
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Uno Tutk (EST)
UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI)

21:00 CET - Herning (Arena Herning)
FC Midtjylland (DEN) - Atalanta BC (ITA) | Group D
Referee: Artur Soares Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Joăo Pinheiro (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luis Godinho (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Olivier Chovaux (FRA)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 19 Oct 2020 10:49
Big chance for Oliver with the bigwig observing!!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 19 Oct 2020 11:09
A big chance but he's had a heavy workload recently.  Moscow last week, Tel Aviv previously and the only SG1 referee to officiate in all 5 PL rounds so far, and is VAR for the game at Leeds this evening.  Do top referees thrive on this sort of pressure or is there a risk of mental tiredness?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 19 Oct 2020 11:22
Very important observer for Oliver.... this is his chance to show UEFA that he is number one in England by a long mile.
 
Treimanis under the Dallas radar as well... he seems to be a good prospect going forward.

Routine appointments else where, and incidentally I don’t think I’ve seen as many committee members observing in one night!!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 19 Oct 2020 12:24
Very important observer for Oliver.... this is his chance to show UEFA that he is number one in England by a long mile.
 
Treimanis under the Dallas radar as well... he seems to be a good prospect going forward.

Routine appointments else where, and incidentally I don’t think I’ve seen as many committee members observing in one night!!

The nominations for inclusion on the FIFA list from Jan are due in next week so maybe that's why so many committee members are out and about.  Either that or their respective wives/husbands/significant others are so sick of them with lockdown they are taking an opportunity to get out of the house!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: scottie on Mon 19 Oct 2020 12:59
Do we read anything into no Collum?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 19 Oct 2020 13:26
Great appointment for Oliver. Hope he has a good match. Did he really need the VAR appointment at Leeds tonight?

A bit odd that Madley is a FIFA referee and trusted to be Fourth Official on a game of that magnitude but they'll only give him a PL game once in a blue moon!

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 19 Oct 2020 16:09
Great appointment for Oliver. Hope he has a good match. Did he really need the VAR appointment at Leeds tonight?

A bit odd that Madley is a FIFA referee and trusted to be Fourth Official on a game of that magnitude but they'll only give him a PL game once in a blue moon!

I was wondering that too.... Pawson is probably the senior of the three officials aside Oliver, yet he is only AVAR to Attwell.

Would be interesting in if Oliver went over. Big pressure on Madley if needed on a big match with Rossetti as observer.

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: greeny on Mon 19 Oct 2020 17:34
Attwell seems to be senior VAR for England, so that may be where he is heading career-wise - maybe another Irrati, who seems to be the Italian equivalent. 

Madley has refereed more games in Europe this season than games in our top flight, and now given 4th official on a massive game - curious appointing from all.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: SuffolkRef on Mon 19 Oct 2020 20:08
Great appointment for Oliver. Hope he has a good match. Did he really need the VAR appointment at Leeds tonight?

A bit odd that Madley is a FIFA referee and trusted to be Fourth Official on a game of that magnitude but they'll only give him a PL game once in a blue moon!

Not the first time this season that he has been VAR the evening before flying out to a European appointment.  Stockley Park is near and handy for Heathrow though.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 19 Oct 2020 21:44
Do we read anything into no Collum?

Probably MD2. Or the worst scenario is EL.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: flipmode on Tue 20 Oct 2020 05:46
Forgive my ignorance here, but Andris Treimanis (LVA) is a name that I am not familiar with. Is he new to the Elite list this season?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Tue 20 Oct 2020 08:40
Forgive my ignorance here, but Andris Treimanis (LVA) is a name that I am not familiar with. Is he new to the Elite list this season?

He is First Group and not Elite. He is considered a talented referee and has already a FIFA tournament on his palmares.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: anje-roo on Tue 20 Oct 2020 09:21
At the start of this season these formed UEFA's elite list. A combination of covid & injuries result in some newish names in CL. And Rosetti/Italy will want more than 1 Italian! Throw in the VAR requirements too (some countries don't have VAR in their domestic competition).
BLR Kulbakov Alexey
CZE Královec Pavel
ENG Oliver Michael & Taylor Anthony
ESP Del Cerro Grande Carlos & Gil Manzano Jesús & Mateu Lahoz Antonio Miguel
FRA Bastien Benoît & Turpin Clément
GER Aytekin Deniz & Brych Felix & Zwayer Felix
GRE Sidiropoulos Anastasios
ISR Grinfeeld Orel
ITA Orsato Daniele
NED Kuipers Bjorn & Makkelie Danny
POL Marciniak Szymon
POR Ribeiro Soares Dias Artur Manuel
ROU Hategan Ovidiu Alin & Kovacs Istvan
RUS Karasev Sergei
SCO Collum William
SVK Kruzliak Ivan
SVN Skomina Damir & Vinčić Slavko
TUR Çakır Cüneyt
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 20 Oct 2020 13:27
At the start of this season these formed UEFA's elite list. A combination of covid & injuries result in some newish names in CL. And Rosetti/Italy will want more than 1 Italian! Throw in the VAR requirements too (some countries don't have VAR in their domestic competition).
BLR Kulbakov Alexey
CZE Královec Pavel
ENG Oliver Michael & Taylor Anthony
ESP Del Cerro Grande Carlos & Gil Manzano Jesús & Mateu Lahoz Antonio Miguel
FRA Bastien Benoît & Turpin Clément
GER Aytekin Deniz & Brych Felix & Zwayer Felix
GRE Sidiropoulos Anastasios
ISR Grinfeeld Orel
ITA Orsato Daniele
NED Kuipers Bjorn & Makkelie Danny
POL Marciniak Szymon
POR Ribeiro Soares Dias Artur Manuel
ROU Hategan Ovidiu Alin & Kovacs Istvan
RUS Karasev Sergei
SCO Collum William
SVK Kruzliak Ivan
SVN Skomina Damir & Vinčić Slavko
TUR Çakır Cüneyt

Hungary had Viktor Kassai on the list as well, although he retired 5 days into the year! He technically remained on the list.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 20 Oct 2020 13:58
At the start of this season these formed UEFA's elite list. A combination of covid & injuries result in some newish names in CL. And Rosetti/Italy will want more than 1 Italian! Throw in the VAR requirements too (some countries don't have VAR in their domestic competition).
BLR Kulbakov Alexey
CZE Královec Pavel
ENG Oliver Michael & Taylor Anthony
ESP Del Cerro Grande Carlos & Gil Manzano Jesús & Mateu Lahoz Antonio Miguel
FRA Bastien Benoît & Turpin Clément
GER Aytekin Deniz & Brych Felix & Zwayer Felix
GRE Sidiropoulos Anastasios
ISR Grinfeeld Orel
ITA Orsato Daniele
NED Kuipers Bjorn & Makkelie Danny
POL Marciniak Szymon
POR Ribeiro Soares Dias Artur Manuel
ROU Hategan Ovidiu Alin & Kovacs Istvan
RUS Karasev Sergei
SCO Collum William
SVK Kruzliak Ivan
SVN Skomina Damir & Vinčić Slavko
TUR Çakır Cüneyt

Hungary had Viktor Kassai on the list as well, although he retired 5 days into the year! He technically remained on the list.

With Kuipers being 47 an already on a +1 year, does he come off the list in December?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 20 Oct 2020 14:50

With Kuipers being 47 an already on a +1 year, does he come off the list in December?

If he meets the criteria for a further +1 he may well be offered it as the Euro's have been moved.  Not sure there are set rules on how many +1 years they can have. Edy will probably know more than me.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Tue 20 Oct 2020 19:03
If I was Referees Officer I would want to keep my experienced referees and any who were eligible this June should be retained until next July minimum.
Kuipers is such a safe pair of hands I would definitely want him
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 20 Oct 2020 19:08
If I was Referees Officer I would want to keep my experienced referees and any who were eligible this June should be retained until next July minimum.
Kuipers is such a safe pair of hands I would definitely want him

I get where you are coming from but a bit unfair on those who were forced to stop at 45 or after the +1 year
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 20 Oct 2020 19:57
If I was Referees Officer I would want to keep my experienced referees and any who were eligible this June should be retained until next July minimum.
Kuipers is such a safe pair of hands I would definitely want him

I get where you are coming from but a bit unfair on those who were forced to stop at 45 or after the +1 year

That's always been the case though. As soon as FIFA dropped the retirement age, with certain criteria met, it was "unfair" on those who came before them. That's life. No referee is guaranteed a +1 year, they have to meet set criteria & be put forward for nomination by their Country FA. Some countries still adopt a 45 year retirement age or set number of years in the top flight before enforced retirement . here's never going to be a perfect system unless all countries have to adopt the same criteria.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 20 Oct 2020 20:02
20 October 2020


21:00 CET -  Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) | Group G
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stephane De Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Fedayi San (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Mertinyák (SVK)

Happy to see this ref on the game. He was excellent in the Nations League game v Serbia.

Still can't believe Hungary have a team in the CL! The whole country will come to a standstill during the match with everyone regardless of team cheering Fradi on. Just not an absolute humiliation please dear god of football!

Lovely voice as well as handsome! Telling the players to enjoy the game & have fun at the coin toss.  Missy bmb might be a little in love here! Good job Mr bmb only reads the NBI thread! ;)

Hajrá Fradi!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 20 Oct 2020 20:59
20 October 2020


21:00 CET -  Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) | Group G
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stephane De Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Fedayi San (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Mertinyák (SVK)

Happy to see this ref on the game. He was excellent in the Nations League game v Serbia.

Still can't believe Hungary have a team in the CL! The whole country will come to a standstill during the match with everyone regardless of team cheering Fradi on. Just not an absolute humiliation please dear god of football!

Lovely voice as well as handsome! Telling the players to enjoy the game & have fun at the coin toss.  Missy bmb might be a little in love here! Good job Mr bmb only reads the NBI thread! ;)

Hajrá Fradi!

2 big calls in the first half. Disallowed goal for Fradi - correctly for offside. Great bit of magic from Tokmac though. Penalty for Barca - easy decision. Fradi player left his leg out deliberately knowing Messi was there about to go past him behind him. No complaints with him in the first half. Good communication with players, could hear him telling Dibz to stay on his line at the pen and a few other words here & there. Lovely cheerful nature.

Only 2-0 down at HT and not out of it yet. Barca not having it all their own way & Fradi are doing us proud.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 20 Oct 2020 22:23
20 October 2020


21:00 CET -  Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) | Group G
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stephane De Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Fedayi San (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Michal Mertinyák (SVK)

Happy to see this ref on the game. He was excellent in the Nations League game v Serbia.

Still can't believe Hungary have a team in the CL! The whole country will come to a standstill during the match with everyone regardless of team cheering Fradi on. Just not an absolute humiliation please dear god of football!

Lovely voice as well as handsome! Telling the players to enjoy the game & have fun at the coin toss.  Missy bmb might be a little in love here! Good job Mr bmb only reads the NBI thread! ;)

Hajrá Fradi!

2 big calls in the first half. Disallowed goal for Fradi - correctly for offside. Great bit of magic from Tokmac though. Penalty for Barca - easy decision. Fradi player left his leg out deliberately knowing Messi was there about to go past him behind him. No complaints with him in the first half. Good communication with players, could hear him telling Dibz to stay on his line at the pen and a few other words here & there. Lovely cheerful nature.

Only 2-0 down at HT and not out of it yet. Barca not having it all their own way & Fradi are doing us proud.

Masterclass performance from him.

More big calls in the 2nd half - penalty for Fradi - great spot on the shirt pull from his angle. Red card for DOGSO spot on. Couple of excellent and very tight offsides from both AR's. Fair and consistent. Quietly did his job in the background, made the decisions he needed to when he needed to and made them confidently. Rapport with players was excellent, you could hear him many times as there was no crowd and he spoke quietly, calmly, respectfully and gave good explanations that were met with little to no dissent. Fitness excellent. Can't think of a single thing he could maybe have done better

I think Mr Rizzoli is going to find it difficult to find any 'developmental points' & is going to be a very happy man with the performance he saw tonight. Don Hutchinson & Guy Mowbray were even singing his praises on BT sport, they also mentioned how despite there having been several VAR reviews given the number of big calls they had gone completely unnoticed & asked why it can work so seamlessly in the CL but be such a mess in the PL - they had a very good point!

Fradi lost 5-1 but the score doesn't really reflect the game itself. It does however reflect the class of the opposition! So proud of them, they gave a great account of themselves, several good chances created, never gave up & the score was harsh in that respect.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Irishref1985 on Tue 20 Oct 2020 23:37
Very impressed with the performance of Mr Lahoz in the PSG v Man United game.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: dave26 on Wed 21 Oct 2020 04:01
Very impressed with the performance of Mr Lahoz in the PSG v Man United game.

Yes I feared the worse when I saw his appointment but he performed excellently and looked like he was enjoying himself
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Wed 21 Oct 2020 12:29
Whenever I've seen Mr Lahoz, he seems to be the most chatty and smiley of Elite referees. 
At first I wondered whether he was missing a few free kicks but concluded he was correctly not being being swayed by the antics of some PSG players.

Actually, I don't mind seeing a referee with a bit of personality as long of course he gets the key decisions right and manages a game well.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Wed 21 Oct 2020 17:47

With Kuipers being 47 an already on a +1 year, does he come off the list in December?

If he meets the criteria for a further +1 he may well be offered it as the Euro's have been moved.  Not sure there are set rules on how many +1 years they can have. Edy will probably know more than me.

There is no limitation on how +1 a referee can get. Once nominated from his country, he is subject to FIFA's approval. FIFA decides on a case-by-case basis.

For more info you can read here: https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/circular-no-1736-2021-fifa-refereeing-international-lists.pdf?cloudid=hbslfeewkgsybnri2bpk
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Wed 21 Oct 2020 18:56

With Kuipers being 47 an already on a +1 year, does he come off the list in December?

If he meets the criteria for a further +1 he may well be offered it as the Euro's have been moved.  Not sure there are set rules on how many +1 years they can have. Edy will probably know more than me.

There is no limitation on how +1 a referee can get. Once nominated from his country, he is subject to FIFA's approval. FIFA decides on a case-by-case basis.

For more info you can read here: https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/circular-no-1736-2021-fifa-refereeing-international-lists.pdf?cloudid=hbslfeewkgsybnri2bpk

Thanks edy
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Wed 21 Oct 2020 22:04
Interesting to note that FIFA have put out a letter/memo stating that due to Covid-19, there [i can't remember correct wording as I have it third hand but its similiar to] need not or should not be any changes to the FIFA panels for 2021.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Wed 21 Oct 2020 23:11
Watched the BT channel which focused on all 6 later kick-offs.  No great controversies mentioned.
Kuipers awarded a penalty in his game after being advised to look at the monitor, and a ATM goal was ruled out in Munich as a player in an offside position was deemed to be in the goalkeeper's line of sight.  It showed the AR talking to Oliver over the comms.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: jad on Fri 23 Oct 2020 15:32
I watched the Inter – Borussia MG game live, and there was some surprise that Mr Kuipers had failed to spot the penalty, but these things happen, and VAR was doing its job.  VAR arguably did its job less well in determining that Borussia's second goal was not offside, a process that took no less than four minutes.  As I understand it, there were two problems: the first was that there were two questions to answer, since the issue offside arose only arose if a certain member of the Borussia team played the ball on its way through to the goal scorer, something that was not evident in real time.  The second was that having answered the first question, VAR seemed unable to find an image that the showed the two players involved from an angle that made it possible to decide whether the goal scorer was indeed offside at the relevant moment.  Perhaps in the circumstances benefit of the doubt could have been given to the attacking team rather more promptly.   
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 25 Oct 2020 10:46
27 October 2020

18:55 CET - Moscow (Stadion Lokomotiv)
FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) - FC Bayern München (GER)  | Group A
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marius Avram (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Thura Win (ENG)

18:55 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) | Group B
Referee: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 1: Martin Margaritov (BUL)
Assistant Referee 2: Diyan Valkov (BUL)
Fourth Official: Volen Chinkov (BUL)
Video Assistant Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Achmüller (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lucílio Cardoso Cortez Batista (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Philippe Prudhon (FRA)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Metropolitano)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - FC Salzburg (AUT)  | Group A
Referee: Marco Guida (ITA) Ovidiu Hategan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA) Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2:Giorgio Peretti (ITA) Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Bozhinovski (MKD)
UEFA Delegate: Steen Michael Dahrup (DEN)

21:00 CET - Mönchengladbach (Borussia Park)
VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach (GER) - Real Madrid CF (ESP) | Group B
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1:  Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Gal Leibovitz (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Joăo Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Tarik Shamel (ENG)

21:00 CET - Porto (Estádio do Dragăo)
FC Porto (POR) - Olympiacos FC (GRE) | Group C
Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Seidel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Rafael Foltyn (GER)
Fourth Official: Marco Fritz (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mark Borsch (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Hansson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Lundström (FIN)

21:00 CET - Marseille (Stade de Marseille)
Olympique de Marseille (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG) | Group C
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Florian Badstübner (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Per Svärd (SWE)

21:00 CET - Bergamo (Stadio di Bergamo)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - AFC Ajax (NED) | Group D
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Fourth Official: Dragoslav Perič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Metin Kazancıoğlu (TUR)

21:00 CET - Liverpool (Anfield)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - FC Midtjylland (DEN) | Group D
Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Kupsik (POL)
Fourth Official: Krzysztof Jakubik (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Pawel Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO) Bernardino González Vázquez (SPAIN)
UEFA Delegate:Eduard Dervishaj Nelaj (ESP)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sun 25 Oct 2020 14:23
Is their any chance of Taylor having a game during match day two of champions league on Wednesday ?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sun 25 Oct 2020 15:23
Quite likely
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 25 Oct 2020 15:49
Ovidiu Hategan (ROU) has replaced Guida (ITA) at the Atletico - Salzburg match.

His assistants will be Octavian Șovre (ROU) and Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU). The FO/VAR/AVAR remain the same.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 25 Oct 2020 18:06
Can we read anything with Stieler being observed by Rosetti?

Raczkowski under the Dallas radar and Kabakov with a decent appointment.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: scottie on Sun 25 Oct 2020 19:56
Still no Collum. If he doesn't get a match on Wednesday could we see him loose his Elite status?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 25 Oct 2020 21:05
Can we read anything with Stieler being observed by Rosetti?

Raczkowski under the Dallas radar and Kabakov with a decent appointment.

Rosetti is appointed on both MD. His presence could indicate that Stieler is considered for promotion to replace either Aytekin (injured) or Zwayer (performance).
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: robbie_scouse on Sun 25 Oct 2020 22:24
The observer at Anfield is Spaniard Bernardino González Vázquez, not Hugh Dallas.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 26 Oct 2020 09:40
28 October 2020

18:55 CET - Krasnodar (Stadium Krasnodar)
FC Krasnodar (RUS) - Chelsea FC (ENG)  | Group E
Referee: Ali Palabıyık (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Ceyhun Sesigüzel (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Serkan Olguncan (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alexandru Deaconu (ROU)
UEFA Delegate: Mark Bos (NED)

18:55 CET - Istanbul (İstanbul Başakşehir Fatih Terim Stadyumu)
İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) - Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) | Group H
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Graeme Stewart (SCO)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoechea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Haris Gvozden (BIH)

21:00 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - Stade Rennais FC (FRA)  | Group E
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Igor Radojičić (SRB)

21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - S.S. Lazio (ITA)  | Group F
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Paul Tierney (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Lee Betts (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Antonov (MDA)
UEFA Delegate: Balász Makray (HUN)

21:00 CET - Dortmund (BVB Stadion)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - Football Club Zenit (RUS)  | Group F
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee:  Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Tormod Larsen (NOR)

21:00 CET - Budapest (Ferencváros Stadion)
Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) - FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)   | Group G
Referee: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaš Somolani (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Boris Marhefka (SVK)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bibiana Steinhaus (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stavros Tritsonis (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: David McDowell Zor (SVN)

21:00 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus (ITA) - FC Barcelona (ESP)  | Group G
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Rob Dieperink (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Riley (ENG)
UEFA Delegate:Kris Bellon (BEL)

21:00 CET - Manchester (Old Trafford)
Manchester United FC (ENG) - RB Leipzig (GER)  | Group H
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN) Matej Jug (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Grega Kordež (SVN)
Fourth Official: Asmir Sagrković (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Matej Jug (SVN) Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Haim Jakov (ISR)
UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (IRL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 26 Oct 2020 17:10
Matej Jug (SVN) replaces Slavko Vincic (SVN) on the Man. United - Leipzig match. New AVAR is Bas Nijhuis (NED)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 26 Oct 2020 17:14
Given the issues with Covid in Europe... I’m wondering whether if this escalates the UCL could be in jeopardy, particularly with the issues surrounding officials and quarantine.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 28 Oct 2020 22:24
28 October 2020

21:00 CET - Budapest (Ferencváros Stadion)
Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) - FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)   | Group G
Referee: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaš Somolani (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Boris Marhefka (SVK)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bibiana Steinhaus (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stavros Tritsonis (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: David McDowell Zor (SVN)


Wore yellow so not in my good books!  That aside it was a decent enough performance. Some grumbling from Fradi fans about the penalty, for me it was never a penalty BUT under the current LOTG and the utterly ridiculous HB law it was a correct call. I did spend some time explaining and it was accepted he had got it right & the issue is with the LOTG not the referee. Basically player dived in for a block, the ball bounced off his thigh onto his arm which was out to the side as he slid in. Impossible to slide in with your arms at your side but as the laws stand it was a penalty. Red card in the game - 2 correct yellow cards.  Got the important calls right, positioning, fitness decent foul detection good, fair & consistent. Aside of the yellow shirt I have no real complaints.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: reflector on Thu 29 Oct 2020 08:55
Given the issues with Covid in Europe... I’m wondering whether if this escalates the UCL could be in jeopardy, particularly with the issues surrounding officials and quarantine.
Looking increasingly likely I would say with new lockdown measures in France and Germany and the UK situation looking worse by the day. It's hard to see how things will be able to carry on with freedom of movement  affecting an increasing number of teams and officials across Europe in what seems to be a rapidly deteriorating situation.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 29 Oct 2020 11:55
I don't expect elite football to stop any time soon, at least not on a widespread basis - perhaps the odd individual government might ban it.

It's work that can't be done from home, they already don't have to quarantine (presumably partly because they have very controlled travel plans in place), there tends to be widespread testing and the age profile of the players means they themselves generally aren't at major risk.

No doubt the economic/financial incentives will be taken into account too and the 'morale' boost it makes for a lot of people.

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Thu 29 Oct 2020 13:41
It is looking very grim right now, everywhere. I agree Reflector, the situation is deteriorating rapidly.

Our domestic league is being badly hit with games called off every week now. We have 1 team of referees (at least) who are in quarantine. Our borders have been closed again since the start of September, players and match officials travelling for games are amongst the exceptions.  We are still allowing full capacity for fans attendance but I can't see that going on for much longer as the numbers are continuing to rise. The stats are worse now than before we went into a full lockdown so I think a further full lockdown must be coming.

I also think Readingfan is right. Elite football will not close at least until the very last second.  Too much money involved for a start. Testing seems to vary between countries though - our players are tested every 36 hours but other countries it seems to be once/week 1-2 days before match day. Some countries have an effective test and trace system, others don't, some are allowing fans either % of capacity, others full capacity, others none. Some teams are self isolating for their protection, others aren't. Maybe FIFA or UEFA needs to step in and enforce the same rules and restrictions everywhere, regardless of the countries current position.

Personally I think the world leaders need to sit down & organise a full co-ordinated worldwide lockdown. Seems pointless to me one country locking down, then another at a different time, varied restrictions but some travel still allowed because the virus just keeps on travelling from 1 place to another and spreading. Lock the whole world down for 2-4 weeks at the same time. Zero travel. All borders closed. Full lockdowns. Take away the ability for it to spread and give each country a chance to heal those already infected. Bit extreme granted and I would hate it, I'm sure we all would but all the time movement is continuing around the world, it's going to keep spreading from country to country. Despite having residency I am not able to travel to Hungary right now, directly at least, fair enough, I understand why but I can fly to Serbia, catch a train from Belgrade to anywhere in Romania and then freely enter Hungary from Romania so what is the point in stopping me travelling there directly if I can get there a different way? If I can't get there directly I shouldn't be able to get there at all is my point. If I went the indirect route and I was covid positive I would potentially spread it to 2 other countries en route and completely defeat the purpose of the borders being closed! Alternatively I could leave here covid negative but could catch it in one of the countries en route and take it along with me from there. Personally I wouldn't travel that way but some people will. Those sort of loopholes need to be closed.  Just let me get to Hungary before it happens!

I miss Mr bmb - only seen him in person twice since the end of Feb/start of March :(
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 29 Oct 2020 15:43
The thing is different countries in the world are in a different stage and a 3-4 week lockdown is almost certainly not going to eradicate the virus altogether, so you'll still have it travelling around when you end it. Some countries will have very high rates now, some in a month, some not until January, so it's very difficult to make effective intervention everywhere all at once.

The same is probably true for FIFA/UEFA. If they intervened they'd have to impose the toughest restrictions anywhere everywhere (because they can't go against a country's policy - they can't say that some fans are allowed in CL games in England for instance when the government aren't alloiwng it.)

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Thu 29 Oct 2020 16:55
The thing is different countries in the world are in a different stage and a 3-4 week lockdown is almost certainly not going to eradicate the virus altogether, so you'll still have it travelling around when you end it. Some countries will have very high rates now, some in a month, some not until January, so it's very difficult to make effective intervention everywhere all at once.



Yes they are BUT this is also partly what allows it to keep moving from country to country, imo. One starts to get it back under control, their borders open again and back it comes as people travel. That's why I think a co-ordinated lockdown will help.  Everywhere has it to some degree - stifle it, prevent it from keep moving.  Those who are less hit now may well be able to eradicate it altogether, those harder hit will have a chance to get it better under control but might need to lockdown for longer. I'm not an expert & not trying to pretend I am but it just seems logical to me.  Take away it's ability to travel anywhere & that surely contains it locally and prevents it from spreading. It just seems right now we are going in circles and chasing it around the world.

I'm willing to try anything right now!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: rustyref on Thu 29 Oct 2020 21:26
Certainly in England I think the government are desperate not to prevent organised sports from carrying on, after all football is still fine even in cities and areas in tier 3.  Problematic yes for leagues that span tier 3 and tier 1/2 areas as clubs from the former can't travel to the latter (but match officials can), but football is still being played.  Of course a full lockdown is going to wipe out non-professional sport, but I think they would allow everything above National League to carry on unlike the last lock down.

Where I am a little baffled is how countries are saying they are doing a two to four week lock down to get control back, as after two to four weeks following the March full lockdown it took the best part of four months to lift those restrictions and I can't see why it would be any different now.  I fear that if a full lock down is implemented that will be in place until at least March, they will just keep extending at the end of every period.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ashington46 on Fri 30 Oct 2020 10:36
Certainly in England I think the government are desperate not to prevent organised sports from carrying on, after all football is still fine even in cities and areas in tier 3.  Problematic yes for leagues that span tier 3 and tier 1/2 areas as clubs from the former can't travel to the latter (but match officials can), but football is still being played.  Of course a full lockdown is going to wipe out non-professional sport, but I think they would allow everything above National League to carry on unlike the last lock down.

Where I am a little baffled is how countries are saying they are doing a two to four week lock down to get control back, as after two to four weeks following the March full lockdown it took the best part of four months to lift those restrictions and I can't see why it would be any different now.  I fear that if a full lock down is implemented that will be in place until at least March, they will just keep extending at the end of every period.

Very insightful post and I think that we are all baffled as to how they are going to resolve things.
I honestly don't think that any government in any country has the answer and they will just keep bumbling along until what? Strange times for us all.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Leggy on Fri 30 Oct 2020 11:23
Certainly in England I think the government are desperate not to prevent organised sports from carrying on, after all football is still fine even in cities and areas in tier 3.  Problematic yes for leagues that span tier 3 and tier 1/2 areas as clubs from the former can't travel to the latter (but match officials can), but football is still being played.  Of course a full lockdown is going to wipe out non-professional sport, but I think they would allow everything above National League to carry on unlike the last lock down.

Where I am a little baffled is how countries are saying they are doing a two to four week lock down to get control back, as after two to four weeks following the March full lockdown it took the best part of four months to lift those restrictions and I can't see why it would be any different now.  I fear that if a full lock down is implemented that will be in place until at least March, they will just keep extending at the end of every period.

Very insightful post and I think that we are all baffled as to how they are going to resolve things.
I honestly don't think that any government in any country has the answer and they will just keep bumbling along until what? Strange times for us all.

New Zealand?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 30 Oct 2020 12:43
It appears the EU are having a meeting about banning all non essential travel within the Union imminently....
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Sun 01 Nov 2020 02:38
New Zealand smashed Covid as did Taiwan.
Here in Australia our state governments went hard early on it. Borders were closed unless essential.
Victoria has just come out of their hard lockdown that went for over 100 says. But here is the evidence
On July 30, England had 600 or so cases and Victoria had 700. The Victorian Premier went to hard lockdowns and the whole state almost stopped. He rode the negative media especial from Murdoch media.
Today Victoria are now 4 days in a row with 0 community transition.
New South Wales is down to under 4 community transition a day and our contact tracing is amazing!!!

How to beat Covid look to these 3 countries; NZ Aus and Taiwan.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 01 Nov 2020 09:44
New Zealand smashed Covid as did Taiwan.
Here in Australia our state governments went hard early on it. Borders were closed unless essential.
Victoria has just come out of their hard lockdown that went for over 100 says. But here is the evidence
On July 30, England had 600 or so cases and Victoria had 700. The Victorian Premier went to hard lockdowns and the whole state almost stopped. He rode the negative media especial from Murdoch media.
Today Victoria are now 4 days in a row with 0 community transition.
New South Wales is down to under 4 community transition a day and our contact tracing is amazing!!!

How to beat Covid look to these 3 countries; NZ Aus and Taiwan.

This is precisely why I think we will still be in lockdown past Dec 2. It’s a shame our Australian friends aren’t in charge of the British Isles.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 01 Nov 2020 12:50
3 November 2020

18:55 CET - Moscow (Stadion Lokomotiv)
FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)  | Group A
Referee: Benoît Bastien (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Hicham Zakrani (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Frédéric Haquette (FRA)
Fourth Official: Karim Abed (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Kuanysh Kanapyanov (KAZ)

18:55 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach (GER) | Group B
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Uno Tutk (EST)
UEFA Delegate: Łukasz Wachowski (POL)

21:00 CET - Salzburg (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Salzburg (AUT) - FC Bayern München (GER)  | Group A
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Vitali Meshkov (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ichko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Claude Runavot (FRA)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - FC Internazionale Milano (ITA)  | Group B
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Medved (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Řepka (CZE)

21:00 CET - Manchester (City of Manchester Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Olympiacos FC (GRE)  | Group C
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1:Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Stefano Podeschi (SMR)
UEFA Delegate: Boris Stankov (BUL)

21:00 CET - Porto (Estádio do Dragăo)
FC Porto (POR) - Olympique de Marseille (FRA)  | Group C
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez Del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoechea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Scilla Gennaro (ITA)

21:00 CET - Herning (Arena Herning)
FC Midtjylland (DEN) - AFC Ajax (NED)  | Group D
Referee: Robert Madden (SCO)
Assistant Referee 1: David Roome (SCO)
Assistant Referee 2: Graeme Stewart (SCO)
Fourth Official: Donald Robertson (SCO)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Liba (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Ronald Zimmermann (GER)

21:00 CET - Bergamo (Stadio di Bergamo)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - Liverpool FC (ENG)  | Group D
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
UEFA Referee Observer: Drago Kos (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Myrsini Psarropoulou (GRE)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 01 Nov 2020 12:55
Great appointment for Madden. Another Spanish referee for Guardiola, I guess he’ll be happy it’s not Lahoz who has the other group match!

Bastien with another appointment in Russia...

Important observer for Gözübüyük, he seems to be impressing at the moment.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 01 Nov 2020 13:36
The biggie of the day goes deservedly to Turpin.

Bastien again in Russia. Expected Spanish appointments in group C.

Gozubuyuk with another CL appointment. UEFA wants to promote him after Kuipers retires. But, in my book, he is not Elite material.

Finally, it seems that UEFA continues the same policy regarding appointments like last year. MD 1-2, 3-4 and 5-6 are appointed together.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: dtrv2 on Sun 01 Nov 2020 14:48
Presumably these mixed nationality VAR appointments are to train up the AVAR in the VAR role?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 01 Nov 2020 16:48
Danny Makkelie (NED) replaces Aliaksei Kulbakou (BLR) on the Salzburg - Bayern match. Doveri (ITA) is now FO.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:21
4 November 2020

18:55 CET - St. Petersburg (St. Petersburg Stadium)
Football Club Zenit (RUS) - S.S. Lazio (ITA)  | Group F
Referee: Artur Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Antonio Emanuel Carvalho Nobre (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luis Godinho (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Siarhei Ilyich (BLR)

18:55 CET - Istanbul (İstanbul Başakşehir Fatih Terim Stadyumu)
İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) - Manchester United FC (ENG) | Group H
Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefano Alassio (ITA)
Fourth Official: Gianpaolo Calvarese (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Leonid Kaloshin (RUS)

21:00 CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Stade Rennais FC (FRA)  | Group E
Referee: Felix Zwayer (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Thorsten Schiffner (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Marco Achmüller (GER)
Fourth Official: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Video Assistant Referee:  Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bibiana Steinhaus (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)

21:00 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - FC Krasnodar (RUS) | Group E
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Günter Perl (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Riley (ENG)
UEFA Delegate: Patrik Filipek (CZE)

21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)  | Group F
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Fourth Official: Dragoslav Perič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nuno Castro (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Sviatlana Hrynkevich (BLR)

21:00 CET - Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)  | Group G
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Craig Pawson (ENG) 
UEFA Referee Observer: Domenico Messina (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Scott Struthers (SCO)

21:00 CET - Budapest (Ferencváros Stadion)
Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) - Juventus (ITA) | Group G
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Gal Leibovitz (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Sajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Jenni Kennedy (ENG)

21:00 CET - Leipzig (RB Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)  | Group H
Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Paweł Sokolnicki (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Radosław Siejka (POL)
Fourth Official: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Rune Pedersen (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Robert Kispal (HUN)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 02 Nov 2020 09:39
A big game for Marciniak this time.

And yet another trip for Michael Oliver.  Not sure if it signifies he's looked on more favourably now by Rosetti and Co, or that he's still under the microscope, or there's no real significance to read into it. 
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 02 Nov 2020 11:54
21:00 CET - Budapest (Ferencváros Stadion)
Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) - Juventus (ITA) | Group G
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Gal Leibovitz (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Sajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Jenni Kennedy (ENG)

Another new name for me to watch!

Thanks to new lockdown measures coming in I have been denied permission to travel despite having UEFA media accredited tickets for the game :(  M4sport it is then!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Mon 02 Nov 2020 13:32
I sometimes think we do over read and over think appointments. At this stage its about getting games, impressing where you can and avoiding the errors.
With 4 English teams qualified, 4 groups are off limits currently so this narrows the available games. Add to this we have 2 Elite refs plus Pawson and Kavanagh who could get games and the number of possibilities drops again.
I think the only time really to assess progress/position is the KO games
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 02 Nov 2020 15:40
Dallas observing Zwayer is predictable....

Important observers for Dias and Grinfeld as well.

Normal appointment for Brych.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: voice on Mon 02 Nov 2020 20:34
Riley assessing Brych..... no I won't say it
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: scottie on Mon 02 Nov 2020 20:36
Still no Collum in the Champion's League!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 02 Nov 2020 20:56
Riley assessing Brych..... no I won't say it

Riley is classed as an important observer....  :o :o :o
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 02 Nov 2020 21:59
2nd CL appointment for Davide Massa. I guess that he will be the next Italian Elite after Orsato retires.

Expected appointments for Brych and Zwayer. The latter has a test ahead.

Also important observers for Soares Dias and Grinfeld. A test before Euro selection?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 04 Nov 2020 20:39
4 November 2020

21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)  | Group F
Referee: Damir Skomina (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Fourth Official: Dragoslav Perič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nuno Castro (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Sviatlana Hrynkevich (BLR)


Dragoslav Perič has replaced Damir Skomina who was injured early in the game. 

Good Luck to him
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Thu 05 Nov 2020 09:01
Reported elsewhere that he had never reffed a game with VAR, seemed to do OK
Looked "heavier" than most at this level
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Thu 05 Nov 2020 12:09
Surprised at the lack of comments on what was a travesty of a decision against Rennes last night- the second penalty for handball. It’s not even close to being deliberate handball but to be sent off for second yellow is just despicable!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Thu 05 Nov 2020 14:03
Surprised at the lack of comments on what was a travesty of a decision against Rennes last night- the second penalty for handball. It’s not even close to being deliberate handball but to be sent off for second yellow is just despicable!

I wasn't too surprised the penalty was given under the current interpretation, but is it mandatory to YC for that offence in the penalty area? If it's not, I felt it was a very poor decision, especially if the referee realised it would mean a RC. There's also a suggestion the ball hit the player's foot initially which arguably would block the shot on goal if that was the criteria for a YC.

In the other games, didn't Brych have to review 2 penalty incidents, the first was given and then rescinded and the second only given after a review at the monitor?

Not seen any comments about Oliver other than he correctly awarded Barca a penalty after 5 minutes. 
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sat 21 Nov 2020 21:20
Any English refs in Europe this week- Oliver Pawson Taylor etc
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 22 Nov 2020 09:47
24 November 2020

18:55 CET - Rennes (Roazhon Park)
Stade Rennais FC (FRA) - Chelsea FC (ENG)  | Group E
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2:  Erwin E. J. Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Bakar Jordania (GEO)

18:55 CET - Krasnodar (Stadium Krasnodar)
FC Krasnodar (RUS) - Sevilla FC (ESP)  | Group E
Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Ciro Carbone (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Giorgio Peretti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Oleg Molceanov (MDA)

21:00 CET - Rome (Stadio Olimpico)
S.S. Lazio (ITA) - Football Club Zenit (RUS)  | Group F
Referee: Michael Oliver (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Stuart Burt (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Simon Peter Bennett (ENG)
Fourth Official: Andrew Madley (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Christopher Kavanagh (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Craig Pawson (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: David Fernández Borbalán (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Markus Stenger (GER)

21:00 CET - Dortmund (BVB Stadion)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - Club Brugge (BEL)  | Group F
Referee: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Assistant Referee 1: Branislav Hancko (SVK)
Assistant Referee 2: Rui Tavares (POR)
Fourth Official: Peter Kralović (SVK)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
UEFA Delegate: David Findlay (SCO)

21:00 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) - FC Barcelona (ESP)  | Group G
Referee: Matej Jug (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Matej Žunič (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Robert Vukan (SVN)
Fourth Official:Nejc Kajtazovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Nebojša Ivković (SRB)

21:00 CET - Turin (Juventus Stadium)
Juventus (ITA) - Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN)  | Group G
Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Seidel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Rafael Foltyn (GER)
Fourth Official: Harm Osmers (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mark Borsch (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Antonov (MDA)
UEFA Delegate: Aristeidis Stavropoulos (GRE)

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - RB Leipzig (GER) | Group H
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Danilo Filacchione (ITA)

21:00 CET - Manchester (Old Trafford)
Manchester United FC (ENG) - İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) | Group H
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marius Avram (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Joăo Pinheiro (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Gijs de Jong (NED) 
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Sun 22 Nov 2020 15:45
I rate Michael Oliver as the best English referee at the moment but why is he being used every single week for the Premier league and every other game has his name on
He needs some rest
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 22 Nov 2020 16:45
Jug gets a decent game with an important observer....

Fairly routine appointments elsewhere...a tad surprised Oliver gets the Lazio match....
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 22 Nov 2020 17:16
Jug gets a decent game with an important observer....

Fairly routine appointments elsewhere...a tad surprised Oliver gets the Lazio match....

I am also surprised about Oliver since it could go to a First Group referee. Probably a replacement.

Hategan with a 4th (!) appointment. Another one and he will break the record.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 23 Nov 2020 10:09
25 November 2020

18:55 CET - Mönchengladbach (Borussia Park)
Borussia VfL 1900 Mönchengladbach (GER) - FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) | Group B
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR) 
Fourth Official: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Drago Kos (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Andrew Shaw (ENG)

18:55 CET - Piraeus (Stadio Georgios Karaiskakis)
Olympiacos FC (GRE) - Manchester City FC (ENG)  | Group C
Referee: Davide Massa (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Filippo Meli (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefano Alassio (ITA)
Fourth Official: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Alberto Tegoni (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Matthew Paris (MLT)

21:00 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena München)
FC Bayern München (GER) - FC Salzburg (AUT) | Group A
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Eitan Shmuelevitz (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: David Fuxman (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: István Huszár (HUN)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Metropolitano)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) | Group A
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenovič (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bibiana Steinhaus (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Manuel Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Tarik Shamel (ENG)

21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)  | Group B
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Lee Betts (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alain Hamer (LUX)
UEFA Delegate: Iveta Stoyanova (BUL)

21:00 CET - Marseille (Stade de Marseille)
Olympique de Marseille (FRA) - FC Porto (POR)  | Group C
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoechea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Iva Olivari-Uliša (CRO)

21:00 CET - Liverpool (Anfield)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - Atalanta BC (ITA)  | Group D
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José Luis Munuera Montero (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Guillermo Cuadra Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Ichko Lozev (BUL)
UEFA Delegate: Kieran O'Connor (WAL)

21:00 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - FC Midtjylland (DEN)  | Group D
Referee: Sergei Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko (RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Fourth Official: Kirill Levnikov (RUS)
Video Assistant Referee: Vitali Meshkov (RUS)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Vladimir Moskalev (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elimir Pilav (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Christian Welander (SWE)     
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Mon 23 Nov 2020 11:19
Cracking game for Anthony Taylor and his team.  ;D
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 23 Nov 2020 12:15
Cracking game for Anthony Taylor and his team.  ;D

I thought this as well
I think this season Anthony Taylor is one of the highest ratest refs in the eyes of uefa
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 23 Nov 2020 15:09
Tie of the night goes to Taylor without question...

Ekberg under the radar of Rosetti and Massa with the other committee member.

Karasev returns but with an insignificant observer... perhaps he seems to be out of favour at present.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: dave26 on Mon 23 Nov 2020 15:43
Looks like Andreas Ekberg is progressing as he’s got another decent appointment and Rosetti observing 
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Whistleblower on Mon 23 Nov 2020 16:48
Cracking game for Anthony Taylor and his team.  ;D

I thought this as well
I think this season Anthony Taylor is one of the highest ratest refs in the eyes of uefa



It certainly is and I am sure he is also. Evidently Taylor must perform brilliantly in Europe, hence these very high profile appointments. I would describe his domestic performances as good with certain obvious aberrations, like the FA Cup Final this year.

It leads me to wonder whether and why certain referees do so very well on the international stage and yet aren't quite so stunning domestically. Any thoughts anyone? I wonder whether it's something  to do with communications skill.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 23 Nov 2020 17:50
Cracking game for Anthony Taylor and his team.  ;D

I thought this as well
I think this season Anthony Taylor is one of the highest ratest refs in the eyes of uefa



It certainly is and I am sure he is also. Evidently Taylor must perform brilliantly in Europe, hence these very high profile appointments. I would describe his domestic performances as good with certain obvious aberrations, like the FA Cup Final this year.

It leads me to wonder whether and why certain referees do so very well on the international stage and yet aren't quite so stunning domestically. Any thoughts anyone? I wonder whether it's something  to do with communications skill.

It's to do with who is running each institution. If its someone who you like, someone who is a good leader/motivator then you will improve. Likewise, if it's someon you like, and you know they have your back, then more than likely they will try and reward you somehow
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 23 Nov 2020 18:20
Looks like Andreas Ekberg is progressing as he’s got another decent appointment and Rosetti observing

Since Anders Frisk and Martin Hansson departed the scene many years ago Sweden haven’t produced a top elite group official.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: greeny on Mon 23 Nov 2020 18:41
What about Jonas Eriksson?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 23 Nov 2020 19:30
Evidently Taylor must perform brilliantly in Europe, hence these very high profile appointments.

I have watched 4 games of his so far in Europe (this season) and he has performed excellently in all of them.  The latest match you could hear him speaking to the players and his communication with them was top notch. He seems to be very suited to International games, they bring out the very best in him.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Hendo on Mon 23 Nov 2020 19:34
What about Jonas Eriksson?

Or Peter Fjordfelt?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 23 Nov 2020 19:35
What about Jonas Eriksson?

Or Peter Fjordfelt?

He was a great ref! Weird at times but a great ref!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 23 Nov 2020 19:38
What about Jonas Eriksson?

Indeed.... I stand corrected :-)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: QuoCob on Thu 26 Nov 2020 06:40
Cracking game for Anthony Taylor and his team.  ;D

Especially when it was deciding which of them were going through in second place in the group...
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 29 Nov 2020 09:26
1 December 2020

18:55 CET - Moscow (Stadion Lokomotiv)
FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) - FC Salzburg (AUT) | Group A
Referee: Ali Palabıyık (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Ceyhun Sesigüzel (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Serkan Olguncan (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalvan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Emil Bozhinovski (MKD)
UEFA Delegate: Adrian Ixari (MDA)

18:55 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) - Real Madrid CF (ESP) | Group B
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marcin Borkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Karen Nalbandyan (ARM)
UEFA Delegate: David Pugh (ENG)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Metropolitano)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - FC Bayern München (GER) | Group A
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Johny Vanspauwen (BEL)

21:00 CET - Mönchengladbach (Borussia Park)
Borussia VfL 1900 Mönchengladbach (GER) - FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) | Group B
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Mario Diks (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Ivan Kružliak (SVK)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Cyril Zimmermann (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Emmanuelle Puttaert (BEL)

21:00 CET - Marseille (Stade de Marseille)
Olympique de Marseille (FRA) - Olympiacos FC (GRE) | Group C
Referee: Jesús Gil Manzano (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Ángel Nevado Rodríguez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: José Enrique Naranjo Pérez (ESP)
Fourth Official: Fabio Maresca (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoechea (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ińigo Prieto López de Ceraín (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Costas Kapitanis (CYP)
UEFA Delegate: Arturs Gaidels (LVA)

21:00 CET - Porto (Estádio do Dragăo)
FC Porto (POR) - Manchester City FC (ENG) | Group C
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E. J. Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Lawrence Visser /(BEL)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Rob Dieperink (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Bert Andersson (SWE)

21:00 CET - Liverpool (Anfield)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - AFC Ajax (NED) | Group D
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Marco Fritz (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nicola Rizzoli (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Loukas Siotropos (GRE)

21:00 CET - Bergamo (Stadio di Bergamo)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - FC Midtjylland (DEN) | Group D
Referee: Anastasios Sidiropoulos (GRE)
Assistant Referee 1: Polychronis Kostaras (GRE)
Assistant Referee 2: Lazaros Dimitriadis (GRE)
Fourth Official: Ioannis Papadopoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bibiana Steinhaus (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Levnikov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Radenko Mijatović (SVN)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 29 Nov 2020 09:30
Hategan with his fifth appointment out of five this season.

Stieler with another decent game.. he must a lock for elite now.

The mixed nationality team still persist. There must’ve been an issue for Manzano’s team with an Italian fourth official appointed to his game.

A fairly insignificant observer for the Turkish team. Are they pushing Ali for elite or holding back?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sun 29 Nov 2020 13:51
hopefully Tierney Attwell or Kavanagh or madley for a europa appointment and Pawson/Oliver/Taylor for a champions appointment?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 29 Nov 2020 16:40
hopefully Tierney Attwell or Kavanagh or madley for a europa appointment and Pawson/Oliver/Taylor for a champions appointment?

Tierney could get one seeing as he has Betts and Hussin with him, plus being a stones throw from Heathrow for a trip out to Europe..
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 29 Nov 2020 17:23
I'd be interested if Edy, TTFL or anyone else knowledgeable on matters European think there is any chance of Cakir being demoted? It seems that Palabıyık is heading for elite to replace Cakir - I had thought this would be for when Cakir comes off the FIFA list but could this happen sooner? His appointments of late haven't been so great and we all know of his (imo ridiculous) "suspension". Surely though his elite spot is safe?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: dtrv2 on Sun 29 Nov 2020 17:35
What is with all the 'strange' fourth official appointments?!  ???
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 29 Nov 2020 18:14
I'd be interested if Edy, TTFL or anyone else knowledgeable on matters European think there is any chance of Cakir being demoted? It seems that Palabıyık is heading for elite to replace Cakir - I had thought this would be for when Cakir comes off the FIFA list but could this happen sooner? His appointments of late haven't been so great and we all know of his (imo ridiculous) "suspension". Surely though his elite spot is safe?

What I’m not sure about is whether Turkey can have two elite officials in their standings with UEFA.

I very much doubt Cakir will be demoted, there are many many elite officials who are well below him in the pecking order and no match in the ability stakes.

Kralovec and Sidiropoulos are at a risk IMO.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Sun 29 Nov 2020 19:08
Can’t understand why Kralovec is still elite?? How many CL games has he had in the last 4 years? If he is always injured then his position isn’t justified!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 29 Nov 2020 21:29
I'd be interested if Edy, TTFL or anyone else knowledgeable on matters European think there is any chance of Cakir being demoted? It seems that Palabıyık is heading for elite to replace Cakir - I had thought this would be for when Cakir comes off the FIFA list but could this happen sooner? His appointments of late haven't been so great and we all know of his (imo ridiculous) "suspension". Surely though his elite spot is safe?

What I’m not sure about is whether Turkey can have two elite officials in their standings with UEFA.

I very much doubt Cakir will be demoted, there are many many elite officials who are well below him in the pecking order and no match in the ability stakes.

Kralovec and Sidiropoulos are at a risk IMO.

I certainly agree there are many officials below him - although not his best period, I still think he definitely in the top 10 in Europe. My doubt though is along the lines you speak of - can Turkey have 2 elite referees. If not then I wonder if there is a slight chance he will be demoted but, like you, I doubt it. Surely it is planned he will attend Euro 2021 which Palabıyık even if promoted now surely would not.

Thanks for your reply - when are we expecting the categories?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 29 Nov 2020 21:46
Of course Cakir won't be demoted, even though, it is said that Ceferin is angry with him. I believe that he will retire after EURO 2021 and be replaced with Palabiyik. The latter is being pushed atm and seems to have committee's trust.

Hategan writes history with his 5th (!) CL appointment. Also Makkelie with his 4th appointment. Both are considered as safe pair of hands and locks for the Euro.

Stieler with an important match. The German will be Elite soon.

I agree with TTFL about Kralovec and Sidiropoulos. They should be demoted. I would add Collum as a demotion candidate.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 30 Nov 2020 13:45
No appointments announced for Wednesday's games yet?  Is there a problem selecting appropriate teams of officials due to the virus, or is it just a slightly later announcement than normal?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 30 Nov 2020 14:16
No appointments announced for Wednesday's games yet?  Is there a problem selecting appropriate teams of officials due to the virus, or is it just a slightly later announcement than normal?

They would only be announced (publicly at least) today anyway so they're not late yet!  There are certainly some virus related issues and travel restrictions that really are not helpful right now!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 30 Nov 2020 14:16
No appointments announced for Wednesday's games yet?  Is there a problem selecting appropriate teams of officials due to the virus, or is it just a slightly later announcement than normal?

The only appointments so far are as follows from Holland and Portugal.

21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Football Club Zenit (RUS) | Group F
Referee: Serdar Gozübüyük (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Joost van Zuilen (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Johan Balder (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Medved (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Álvaro Albino (POR)


21:00 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG) | Group E
Referee: Artur Soares Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Licínio (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Paulo Soares (POR)
Fourth Official: Hugo Miguel (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luís Godinho (POR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Emil Ubias (CZE)


Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 30 Nov 2020 14:20
Of course Cakir won't be demoted, even though, it is said that Ceferin is angry with him. I believe that he will retire after EURO 2021 and be replaced with Palabiyik. The latter is being pushed atm and seems to have committee's trust.

Hategan writes history with his 5th (!) CL appointment. Also Makkelie with his 4th appointment. Both are considered as safe pair of hands and locks for the Euro.

Stieler with an important match. The German will be Elite soon.

I agree with TTFL about Kralovec and Sidiropoulos. They should be demoted. I would add Collum as a demotion candidate.

Thanks as always for the very informative post Edy. Indeed it will be interesting to see the changes in categories. It is a shame about Sidiropoulos, I think he had a lot of potential to be a top referee but he seems not to have reached that level, domestic matters probably don't help.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 30 Nov 2020 15:34
Krasnodar vs Rennes
Referee: William Collum SCO
Assistant referees: Francis Connor SCO; David McGeachie SCO
Fourth official: Nicholas Walsh SCO
Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney ENG
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Constantine Hatzidakis ENG
UEFA Referee Observer: Boško Jovanetić (SRB)
UEFA Delegate: Jovan Šurbatović (SRB)

21:00 CET - Seville (Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG) | Group E
Referee: Artur Dias POR
Assistant referees: Rui Tavares POR; Paulo Soares POR
Fourth official: Hugo Miguel POR
Video Assistant Referee: Tiago Martins POR
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Luis Godinho POR
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Emil Ubias (CZE)

Borussia Dortmund v Lazio
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz ESP
Assistant referees: Pau Cebrián Devís ESP; Roberto del Palomar ESP
Fourth official: José Luis Munuera Montero ESP
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández ESP
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: José María Sánchez ESP
UEFA Referee Observer: Uno Tutk (EST)
UEFA Delegate: Per Eliasson (SWE)

21:00 CET - Bruges (Jan Breydelstadion)
Club Brugge (BEL) - Football Club Zenit (RUS) | Group F
Referee: Serdar Gözübüyük NED
Assistant referees: Joost van Zuilen NED; Johan Balder NED
Fourth official: Allard Lindhout NED
Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler NED
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bas Nijhuis NED
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Medved (SVK)
UEFA Delegate: Álvaro Albino (POR)

Juventus v Dynamo Kiev
Referee: Stéphanie Frappart FRA
Assistant referees: Hikram Zakrani FRA; Mehdi Rahmouni FRA
Fourth official: Karim Abed FRA
Video Assistant Referee: Benoît Millot FRA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Delajod Willy FRA
UEFA Referee Observer: Francesco Bianchi (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI)

Ferencvaros v Barcelona
Referee: Aleksei Kulbakov BLR
Assistant referees: Dmitri Zhuk BLR; Oleg Maslyanko BLR
Fourth official: Viktor Shimusik BLR
Video Assistant Referee: Vitali Meshkov RUS
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sergei Ivanov RUS
UEFA Referee Observer: Lutz-Michael Fröhlich (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Oskam (NED)

Istanbul BB V RB Leipzig
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande ESP
Assistant referees: Juan Carlos Yuste ESP; Roberto Alonso Fernandez ESP
Fourth official: Guillermo Cuadra Fernandez ESP
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera ESP
Assistant Video Assistant Referee; Diego Barbero ESP
UEFA Referee Observer: Darko Čeferin (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Orkhan Huseynzade (AZE)

Manchester United v PSG
Referee: Daniele Orsato ITA
Assistant referees: Alessandro Giallatini ITA; Fabiano Preti ITA
Fourth official: Daniele Doveri ITA
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida ITA
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello ITA
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Georg Lüchinger (LIE)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 30 Nov 2020 15:46
Fantastic appointment for Frappart with an important observer.

Collum gets a shoot out for the Europa League in Group E. Orsato and Lahoz with expected appointments given the games.

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 30 Nov 2020 16:00
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Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 30 Nov 2020 17:13
I have to say I think Frappart’s appointment is largely political and unfair on other officials.

I also think we may see Frappart at Euros next year, if so I don’t feel this is fair either.

Let me be clear - I am not in any way questioning Frappart’s ability, I am fully in favour of having the best referees appointed be it a man or a woman it shouldn’t make any difference, however there is no question there are many referees who were surely ahead of Frappart in terms of experience (and possibly ability) for a CL debut. In other words 2 EL games before a CL debut....I wonder how regularly this has happened! (Open to correction!)

Again I hope this post isn’t taken in the wrong spirit, I have no issue with Frappart being appointed to even a CL final at some stage in the future - I just feel every referee should have to follow a similar path and not overtake others ahead of them for, what I feel, are purely political reasons.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Mon 30 Nov 2020 17:28
Is the opposite route available to men? Or are all the appointments in the Womens CL female? If not, should it not be one list?

Fairness and equality are things to strive for. This appointment, based on the number and profile of the games done, is neither of these.

Football has always been political and 'face-fits' appointments are nothing new.

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 30 Nov 2020 17:49
RCG I think one list is a good idea, and I don’t think given her experience Frappart would be in the top 10/15(?) First group refs or in the elite group needed to be appointed a CL game.

Again I feel I need to emphasise I think Frappart is a very capable referee who given the appropriate experience could well be able to take charge of knockout CL games and beyond. However it seems at the moment she does not need the same experience as her male counterparts to be awarded the same level of appointment.

The difficulty in this, I accept, is to what extent her experience in the women’s game counts in the men’s game.

Regardless I wish her the very best of luck, I do hope she inspires more women to look at refereeing as an option and I’m sure she will have a good game.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Hendo on Mon 30 Nov 2020 17:58
Is the opposite route available to men? Or are all the appointments in the Womens CL female? If not, should it not be one list?

Fairness and equality are things to strive for. This appointment, based on the number and profile of the games done, is neither of these.

Football has always been political and 'face-fits' appointments are nothing new.

Indeed, look no further than Stuart Attwell........
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 30 Nov 2020 18:03
Frappart's appointment has only political value.

She had 2 EL matches, 1 NL and all 3 were of low difficulty.

Now UEFA wants to makes history again. And they will also use the next step: Euro 2021.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 30 Nov 2020 19:09
Indeed, look no further than Stuart Attwell........

I agree they used him a lot last season but this season they have overlooked him I understand maybe pawson and kavangh but not by Madley and coote in the internationals
Hopefully he can get reintroduced on Thursday but I can't see it happening

Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga, bmb
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 30 Nov 2020 19:42
IF AN ADMIN CAN UPDATE MY POST WITH THE OBSRVERS AND DELEGATES ID APPRECIATE IT!

No! You forgot my purple colour in your post!

PS Someone nicer than me seems to have done it anyway!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 30 Nov 2020 20:15
Is the opposite route available to men? Or are all the appointments in the Womens CL female? If not, should it not be one list?

Fairness and equality are things to strive for. This appointment, based on the number and profile of the games done, is neither of these.

Football has always been political and 'face-fits' appointments are nothing new.



Not sure I agree with one list.  The gulf between the women's and men's game is huge, especially when you compare some of the smaller nations women's league to the bigger nations men's league. It can be as much as going from refereeing Poole Town v Dorchester in one game to Juventus v Barcelona in the next game, no referee should face that huge of a gap, male or female. It is difficult enough for the male referees who referee the smaller nations domestic leagues week in week out to bridge the gap - you'd not take a UK league 2 referee and plonk them on a CL game but that is in effect what you are doing with some of the smaller nation referees.

We have some amazing female referees out there at National level in the women's game but would they be as good in the men's leagues? Some would, some would not as the gap would be too wide for their capabilities.  When you look at the worst performers from the last WWC they tended to be the ladies from smaller nations with as yet pretty undeveloped domestic women's leagues & they struggled at times.  They would simply crash and burn in the top flight men's game and I don't want to see any referee simply set up for failure.

I think for a woman to be considered for the CL, EL etc in the men's game then they need to be refereeing their domestic topflight mens league every week, on the same score I think any male referee who wants to referee in the women's CL, EL & International tournaments needs to be refereeing their domestic top flight women's league. The whole game is different, generally speaking the women's league is more technical and the men's league more physical. Broadly speaking and not true of every single club/league I know but I am sure anyone who watches both will understand what I mean.

I'd keep 2 lists but the changes I would make to them would not be down to the sex of the referee but one list for the women's leagues and one for the men's leagues and equal opportunities for referees male & female (biologically or otherwise) to be on either or even both lists dependent upon the domestic leagues they primarily referee at and their own abilities.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 30 Nov 2020 20:38
Is the opposite route available to men? Or are all the appointments in the Womens CL female? If not, should it not be one list?

Fairness and equality are things to strive for. This appointment, based on the number and profile of the games done, is neither of these.

Football has always been political and 'face-fits' appointments are nothing new.



Not sure I agree with one list.  The gulf between the women's and men's game is huge, especially when you compare some of the smaller nations women's league to the bigger nations men's league. It can be as much as going from refereeing Poole Town v Dorchester in one game to Juventus v Barcelona in the next game, no referee should face that huge of a gap, male or female. It is difficult enough for the male referees who referee the smaller nations domestic leagues week in week out to bridge the gap - you'd not take a UK league 2 referee and plonk them on a CL game but that is in effect what you are doing with some of the smaller nation referees.

We have some amazing female referees out there at National level in the women's game but would they be as good in the men's leagues? Some would, some would not as the gap would be too wide for their capabilities.  When you look at the worst performers from the last WWC they tended to be the ladies from smaller nations with as yet pretty undeveloped domestic women's leagues & they struggled at times.  They would simply crash and burn in the top flight men's game and I don't want to see any referee simply set up for failure.

I think for a woman to be considered for the CL, EL etc in the men's game then they need to be refereeing their domestic topflight mens league every week, on the same score I think any male referee who wants to referee in the women's CL, EL & International tournaments needs to be refereeing their domestic top flight women's league. The whole game is different, generally speaking the women's league is more technical and the men's league more physical. Broadly speaking and not true of every single club/league I know but I am sure anyone who watches both will understand what I mean.

I'd keep 2 lists but the changes I would make to them would not be down to the sex of the referee but one list for the women's leagues and one for the men's leagues and equal opportunities for referees male & female (biologically or otherwise) to be on either or even both lists dependent upon the domestic leagues they primarily referee at and their own abilities.

Great post bmb, you make a good point about two lists I think you are correct.

If one list was created for all competitions, like you point out I think, the majority of the elite and first group referees would be men. Should the principle be best referees for best games (I know its not exactly this atm!!) then women's CL would end up being refereed by men if both competitions were treated equally. This would lead to less sonorous games for female referees and probably less chance to develop.

So I think your solution is best at the moment, one list for women's, one for men's and the referees on then either list can be either male or female.

The one list situation assumes an idyllic situation whereby there are enough women refereeing at the top level across European leagues so that they can "compete" for want of a better word with the numbers of men. I am not at all saying they should ever have a quota of 50/50 men/women but hopefully in an environment where more women progress, on merit, to the top levels, you would get a good mix to the point where neither gender is being disadvantaged by being on a single list based on ability.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Tue 01 Dec 2020 10:57
VAR for the Sevilla - Chelsea match will be stationed in Nyon and not on the stadium.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-champions-sev-che-preview/var-to-operate-out-of-nyon-for-sevilla-v-chelsea-champions-league-game-idUKKBN28B4JP
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 02 Dec 2020 22:13

Ferencvaros v Barcelona
Referee: Aleksei Kulbakov BLR
Assistant referees: Dmitri Zhuk BLR; Oleg Maslyanko BLR
Fourth official: Viktor Shimusik BLR
Video Assistant Referee: Vitali Meshkov RUS
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sergei Ivanov RUS
UEFA Referee Observer: Lutz-Michael Fröhlich (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Peter Oskam (NED)

Decent performance from this ref tonight. Suitably authoritative but was happy to just let the game flow around him. Used common sense a couple of time for minor fouls, no qualms about getting the cards out on the rare times they were deserved. He was aided by 2 very competent ARs. Penalty against Fradi was an excellent spot considering his position, the speed at which he gave it suggested it was his call and not someone whispering in his ear. Nothing wrong with his position but he was directly behind the players as is often the way heading into the penalty area.  Frimpong completely floored a Barca player, absolutely zero contact with the ball at all. As stonewalled as they come. Whist managing to remain very much in the background he had a very calming presence and was in complete control of the game from start to finish.  Would love to see him in a more competitive game at some point - 1st half in particular I think the only time Fradi touched the ball was to pick it out of the net or to restart the game having done so! The gulf between the leagues was really clear tonight but Fradi had a good go in the 2nd half. Pleased they just kept going for it and didn't adopt silly constant foul tactics, I can respect that effort from them.

Team ref can go home with their heads held high after that performance. Literally my only complaint was the sugar plum fairy look - the macron kits are honestly the worst ones I have ever seen!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Thu 03 Dec 2020 10:35
By accounts on the BBC website, Frappert had a good game at Juventus last night.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: jad on Fri 04 Dec 2020 15:00
That is what I gathered from the Italian media.

Incidentally, I am not certain that the appointments of Mme Frappart and Ms Monzul were purely political.  I wonder if they were not an attempt to address a problem that UEFA may be facing, namely a shortage of suitable referees.  The countries that provide provide match officials for the group stage of the Champions' League generally have 7-10 FIFA referees, not all of whom are necessarily ready to receive appointments at this level.  Each appointment takes up 3-4 referees, depending on who is acting as AVAR.  In addition some countries supply additional video assistant referees to 'help out' those countries that do not use VAR.  Add to this the Europa League, and it doesn't take many appointments to use up a country's entire contingent of suitably qualified referees.  This year there is the additional problem of Covid and the consequent travel restrictions (which probably accounts for the almost total absence of Russian officials).  In these circumstances it would not seem unreasonable for UEFA to add to its pool of available referees women who have experience of officiating both at international level and in the top tier of their respective domestic competitions.  And if my suspicion is correct, then it would be legitimate to accuse those countries that for whatever reason fail to take up their full allocation of FIFA places of not pulling their weight. 
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sun 06 Dec 2020 11:41
Are we going to see Oliver tierney Taylor, attwell, madley or kavangth in the last rd of group games this week or not?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 06 Dec 2020 23:20
Are we going to see Oliver tierney Taylor, attwell, madley or kavangth in the last rd of group games this week or not?

I think we definitely won't see Atwell, Tierney or Madley as referees this week in the CL, maybe FO or VAR.

I'd like to think Kavanagh won't get a CL game but given the name of a Polish referee who is rumoured to be getting a debut this week maybe anything is possible...

I think Oliver could get a big game this match week in group B - it will be interesting to see what match, if any, he gets. I think it could be an indication of how UEFA view him at the moment.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 07 Dec 2020 11:10
Hi guys here are the UCL appointments for Tuesday
Can someone please complete the rest of the delegates and observers

Also Tobias Stieler what a game for him and yes Ovidu Haetagan does have another game

Lazio vs Club Brugge
Referee Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistants: Bahattin Duran (TUR) , Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth official Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
VAR Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
AVAR Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
OBSERVER Jan Willem Van Dop (NED)
DELEGATE Nikolay Ivanov (RUS)

Zenit vs Dortmund
Referee István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant referees Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU); Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee Kevin Blom (NED)
Fourth official Marius Avram (ROU)

Rennes vs Sevilla
Referee Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Assistant referees Marcin Boniek (POL); Jakub Winkler (POL)
Video Assistant Referee Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
Fourth official Daniel Stefanski (POL)

Chelsea Cs Krasonador
Referee Pavel Královec (CZE)
Assistant referees Jan Paták (CZE); Tomáš Mokrusch (CZE)
Video Assistant Referee Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Fourth official Miroslav Zelinka (CZE)

Dynamo Kiev vs Ferencvaros
Referee Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant referees Mehmet Culum (SWE); Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee Daniel Siebert (GER)
Fourth official Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)

Barcelona vs Juventus
Referee Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant referees Mike Pickel (GER); Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Video Assistant Referee Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee René Rohde (GER)
Fourth official Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)

PSG vs Istanbul
Referee Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant referees Octavian Șovre (ROU); Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
Fourth official  Sebastian Colţescu (ROU)

Leipzig vs Manchester United
Referee Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant referees Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP); Roberto del Palomar (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
Fourth official Fabio Verissimo (POR)


edited to tidy up and add colour! bmb

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: dave26 on Mon 07 Dec 2020 11:12
Surprised that Utd have Lahoz again I’m sure had us earlier in group stage match is this normal or a rare occurrence ?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 07 Dec 2020 11:26
Lahoz had PSG-MNU on MD1.

I think that it's a rare appointment given the limited options for Spanish referees (Groups A, B, E and G are out due to Spanish teams) and the fact that he already had Group C and H.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 07 Dec 2020 14:02
8 December 2020
Full appointments with observers and colour codes

18:55 CET - Rome (Stadio Olimpico)
S.S. Lazio (ITA) - Club Brugge (BEL) | Group F
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Abdulkadir Bitigen (TUR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Nikolai Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Delegate: Jan Willem Van Dop (NED)

18:55 CET - St. Petersburg (Saint Petersburg Stadium)
Football Club Zenit (RUS) - Borussia Dortmund (GER) | Group F
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Mihai Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Marius Avram (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Elmir Pilav (BIH)
UEFA Delegate: Igor Radojičić (SRB)

21:00 CET - Rennes (Roazhon Park)
Stade Rennais FC (FRA) - Sevilla FC (ESP) | Group E
Referee: Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
Assistant Referee 1: Marcin Boniek (POL)
Assistant Referee 2: Jakub Winkler (POL)
Fourth Official: Daniel Stefański (POL)
Video Assistant Referee: Szymon Marciniak (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Raczkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Hansson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Frédéric Veraghaenne (BEL)

21:00 CET - London (Stamford Bridge)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - FC Krasnodar (RUS) | Group E
Referee: Pavel Královec (CZE)
Assistant Referee 1: Jan Paták (CZE)
Assistant Referee 2: Tomas Mokrusch (CZE)
Fourth Official: Miroslav Zelinka (CZE)
Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Michael Thomas Ross (NIR)
UEFA Delegate: Paolo Rondelli (SMR)

21:00 CET - Kyiv (NSK Olimpiyskiy)
FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR) -  Ferencvárosi Torna Club (HUN) | Group G
Referee: Andreas Ekberg (SWE)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehmet Culum (SWE)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Hallberg (SWE)
Fourth Official: Kristoffer Karlsson (SWE)
Video Assistant Referee: Christian Dingert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Daniel Siebert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Miroslav Tulinger (CZE)
UEFA Delegate: Nils Fisketjonn (NOR)

21:00 CET - Barcelona (Camp Nou)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Juventus (ITA) | Group G
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Pickel (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: René Rohde (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Bertrand Layec (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Marcin Stefański (POL)

21:00 CET - Leipzig (RB Arena)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Manchester United FC (ENG) | Group H
Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Pau Cebrián Devis (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Fábio José Costa Veríssimo (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Petr Fousek (CZE)

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) | Group H
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Sovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Costantin Coltescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee:  Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jon Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 07 Dec 2020 14:06
9 December 2020

18:55 CET - Amsterdam (Johan Cruijff ArenA)
AFC Ajax (NED) - Atalanta BC (ITA) | Group D
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: Georgi Kabakov (BUL)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Javier Estrada Fernández (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Levan Paniashvili (GEO)
UEFA Delegate: Duncan Fraser (SCO)

18:55 CET - Herning (Arena Herning)
FC Midtjylland (DEN) - Liverpool FC (ENG) | Group D
Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Mehdi Ramouni (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Amaury Delerue (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)

21:00 CET - Munich (Fußball Arena)
FC Bayern München (GER) - FC Lokomotiv Moskva (RUS) | Group A
Referee: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1: Stéphane de Almeida (SUI)
Assistant Referee 2: Bekim Zogaj (SUI)
Fourth Official: Alain Bieri (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Frank De Bleeckere (BEL)
UEFA Delegate: Patrick Wattebled (FRA)

21:00 CET - Zenit (Stadion Salzburg)
FC Salzburg (AUT) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) | Group A
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: Craig Pawson (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jan W. Wegereef (NED)
UEFA Delegate: Metin Kazancıoğlu (TUR)

21:00 CET - Milan (Stadio Giuseppe Meazza)
FC Internazionale Milano (ITA) - FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR) | Group B
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaz Klancnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2: Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Rade Obrenović (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Paweł Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Peter Sippel (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Tammo Beishuizen (NED)

21:00 CET - Madrid (Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach (GER) | Group B
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1:  Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E. J. Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Mark Blackbourne (ENG)

21:00 CET - Manchester (City of Manchester Stadium)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Olympique de Marseille (FRA) | Group C
Referee: Halil Umut Meler (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Mustafa Emre Eyisoy (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Cevdet Komurcuoglu (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ali Palabiyik (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vítor Manuel Melo Pereira (POR)
UEFA Delegate: Paul Zaharia (ROU)

21:00 CET - Piraeus (Stadio Georgios Karaiskakis)
Olympiacos FC (GRE) - FC Porto (POR) | Group C
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Donatas Rumsas (LTU)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Ronald Zimmermann (GER)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 07 Dec 2020 14:10
Added in the colour code of blue for the Swedish appointments at the request of Bakis. Yellow does not show up well on here so went for blue haha.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 07 Dec 2020 14:48
I know Anthony Taylor is good and I am happy he is getting an appointment why not let Pawson have a UCL debut
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 07 Dec 2020 14:53
Pawson had an EL match last week.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: dave26 on Mon 07 Dec 2020 15:02
Stieler and Ekberg seem to be picking up regular and decent appointments
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 07 Dec 2020 15:07
Pawson had an EL match last week.

Yh I understand that but still I would like them to have a debut and there is no way it'll happen after group stages
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 07 Dec 2020 15:24
Pawson had an EL match last week.

Yh I understand that but still I would like them to have a debut and there is no way it'll happen after group stages

I think Pawson had his CL debut last season no?

Good game for Taylor, I think it is 100% clear UEFA consider him amongst the top elite

I don’t understand why Hategan is needed again on this MD

Great to see Cakir with a very crucial game, seems still has (or has regained) full trust from the committee.

I am slightly baffled as to what is required for a CL debut given the names we see this week. IMHO there are other referees more deserving.

Královec with a game, still a candidate for demotion I think though.

Is Zwayer injured? Otherwise I think he is going to be demoted. I think based on Stieler’s game we can now be certain he will be promoted, amazing group stage for him.

Good to see Schärer with a game. Imo a very very talented referee
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Mon 07 Dec 2020 15:38
what do you have to do to get a champions league debut these days?

debut for Turkish ref?

Pawson should have had a game in my opinion too many repeated referees
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 07 Dec 2020 16:10
Frankowski’s appointment clearly indicates Marciniak is out of favour at present.

Scharer gets a good appointment with an important observer.

Kralovec with a game seems weird. Maybe this is his farewell to the elite group as discussed.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 07 Dec 2020 16:43
Pawson had an EL match last week.

Yh I understand that but still I would like them to have a debut and there is no way it'll happen after group stages

I think Pawson had his CL debut last season no?

Good game for Taylor, I think it is 100% clear UEFA consider him amongst the top elite

I don’t understand why Hategan is needed again on this MD

Great to see Cakir with a very crucial game, seems still has (or has regained) full trust from the committee.

I am slightly baffled as to what is required for a CL debut given the names we see this week. IMHO there are other referees more deserving.

Královec with a game, still a candidate for demotion I think though.

Is Zwayer injured? Otherwise I think he is going to be demoted. I think based on Stieler’s game we can now be certain he will be promoted, amazing group stage for him.

Good to see Schärer with a game. Imo a very very talented referee

He had his debut in 2018
Monaco vs Dortmund but hasn't been used since
Why?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 07 Dec 2020 16:58
Pawson had an EL match last week.

Yh I understand that but still I would like them to have a debut and there is no way it'll happen after group stages

I think Pawson had his CL debut last season no?

Good game for Taylor, I think it is 100% clear UEFA consider him amongst the top elite

I don’t understand why Hategan is needed again on this MD

Great to see Cakir with a very crucial game, seems still has (or has regained) full trust from the committee.

I am slightly baffled as to what is required for a CL debut given the names we see this week. IMHO there are other referees more deserving.

Královec with a game, still a candidate for demotion I think though.

Is Zwayer injured? Otherwise I think he is going to be demoted. I think based on Stieler’s game we can now be certain he will be promoted, amazing group stage for him.

Good to see Schärer with a game. Imo a very very talented referee

He had his debut in 2018
Monaco vs Dortmund but hasn't been used since
Why?

He also had Ajax v PAOK last year. sorry - that was in the qualifying round

IMO Pawson has had a pretty good season so far internationally. The first thing to note is that he is a first group referee and imo will never reach the elite category.

Within the first group I think UEFA regard him in the second tier of first group referees. Below the group that are being prepared for promotion but in the group that they have full faith in for important EL matches and occasional CL matches. This season he has had a 3rd round EL qualifying game a nations league A game and 3 EL games -

Real Sociedad v Napoli
Lillie v AC Milan
Omonia v PAOK

The first two games involve top teams (for the EL) (both top 2 in their group) and the final match he had was a crucial clash in terms of the group.

So I think this is pretty good for one of the better 1st group referees - given the appointing this year is he unlucky not to get a CL game? Yes, does this reflect very badly on him? imo, no. I think he has a good chance for a EL knockout game and appearance at the Euros next year (FO/VAR/AVAR).

Edy and TTFL can correct me where I'm wrong there!!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 07 Dec 2020 17:01
Good to see game for Letexier - a referee I have rated ever since his debut in ligue 1!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 07 Dec 2020 18:52
Pawson had an EL match last week.

Yh I understand that but still I would like them to have a debut and there is no way it'll happen after group stages

I think Pawson had his CL debut last season no?

Good game for Taylor, I think it is 100% clear UEFA consider him amongst the top elite

I don’t understand why Hategan is needed again on this MD

Great to see Cakir with a very crucial game, seems still has (or has regained) full trust from the committee.

I am slightly baffled as to what is required for a CL debut given the names we see this week. IMHO there are other referees more deserving.

Královec with a game, still a candidate for demotion I think though.

Is Zwayer injured? Otherwise I think he is going to be demoted. I think based on Stieler’s game we can now be certain he will be promoted, amazing group stage for him.

Good to see Schärer with a game. Imo a very very talented referee

He had his debut in 2018
Monaco vs Dortmund but hasn't been used since
Why?

He also had Ajax v PAOK last year. sorry - that was in the qualifying round

IMO Pawson has had a pretty good season so far internationally. The first thing to note is that he is a first group referee and imo will never reach the elite category.

Within the first group I think UEFA regard him in the second tier of first group referees. Below the group that are being prepared for promotion but in the group that they have full faith in for important EL matches and occasional CL matches. This season he has had a 3rd round EL qualifying game a nations league A game and 3 EL games -

Real Sociedad v Napoli
Lillie v AC Milan
Omonia v PAOK

The first two games involve top teams (for the EL) (both top 2 in their group) and the final match he had was a crucial clash in terms of the group.

So I think this is pretty good for one of the better 1st group referees - given the appointing this year is he unlucky not to get a CL game? Yes, does this reflect very badly on him? imo, no. I think he has a good chance for a EL knockout game and appearance at the Euros next year (FO/VAR/AVAR).

Edy and TTFL can correct me where I'm wrong there!!

Well summed up there I totally agree with that
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 07 Dec 2020 19:02
Added in the colour code of blue for the Swedish appointments at the request of Bakis. Yellow does not show up well on here so went for blue haha.

Thanks Tomp  :-*

PS I added purple to Kovács István! He's ethnic Hungarian as well as Romanian!  ;D

PPS Yellow is banned - you know this right...
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 08 Dec 2020 00:29
Surprised that Utd have Lahoz again I’m sure had us earlier in group stage match is this normal or a rare occurrence ?

Group stage 20 October v PSG - Man U won 2-1. 5 YC, gave Man U a penalty for a foul on Martial which put them 1-0 up.

It's not usual but then right now with all the covid issues and travel restrictions nothing is really usual. They now have to take into account which countries you can/cannot travel to from your own country as each have different restrictions. Pawsons team didn't get home until around midnight on Friday night last week after their Thursday night game and they were only coming back from Greece.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Tue 08 Dec 2020 00:37
Does this mean we now have a referee that refereed in all 6 match days???If that is the case what an achievement.

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) | Group H
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Sovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Costantin Coltescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee:  Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jon Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 08 Dec 2020 10:16
Does this mean we now have a referee that refereed in all 6 match days???If that is the case what an achievement.

21:00 CET - Paris (Parc des Princes)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - İstanbul Başakşehir FK (TUR) | Group H
Referee: Ovidiu Alin Hațegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Sovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Eugen Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: Sebastian Costantin Coltescu (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee:  Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Maurizio Mariani (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Jon Skjervold (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Roland Tis (BEL)

Yes he has
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 08 Dec 2020 20:51
Lahoz back to his usual self.... His game has been whistled out and plenty of unnecessary cards, and it’s only half time.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Tue 08 Dec 2020 21:16
PSG vs Istanbul has been halted in the 23rd minute due to both sets of players going back to the dressing room after a assistant manager was sent off after he accused the fourth official Sebastian Costantin Coltescu of being racist
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 08 Dec 2020 21:21
PSG vs Istanbul has been halted in the 23rd minute due to both sets of players going back to the dressing room after a assistant manager was sent off after he accused the fourth official Sebastian Costantin Coltescu of being racist

Conversation on it here: https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/general-discussion-5/psg-v-istanbul/msg24046/#new
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 08 Dec 2020 22:46
At least Kovács István seemed to have a decent game - he wore the vile pink though!

Saw a penalty given by Cakir in his match on a highlights program that looked spot on.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Tue 08 Dec 2020 23:06
According to BBC SPORT the PSG vs Istanbul match will resume tomorrow from the 14th minute at 17.55 GMT with a new set of match officials
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 08 Dec 2020 23:14
New appointment has been made on UEFA.com

Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referees : Mario Diks (NED) and Marcin Boniek (POL)
Fourth Official : Bartosz Frankowski (POL)
VAR: Marco De Bello (ITA)
AVAR: Mauricio Mariani (ITA)

The Polish duo were in Rennes tonight so only three hours for them to travel.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Wed 09 Dec 2020 08:23
Why not let Ovidu Haetagan have the game and just replace the fourth official
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Leggy on Wed 09 Dec 2020 10:30
Why not let Ovidu Haetagan have the game and just replace the fourth official

I wonder if Haetagan was not happy for his "team mate" and compatriot to be replaced and declined to continue without him?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Wed 09 Dec 2020 10:51
I think given there is a UEFA investigation on going it would have been improper to appoint the same referee. Both in terms of the extra pressure and attention this would put on him as well as potentially enflaming again an already difficult situation.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 09 Dec 2020 17:12
I think given there is a UEFA investigation on going it would have been improper to appoint the same referee. Both in terms of the extra pressure and attention this would put on him as well as potentially enflaming again an already difficult situation.

Completely agree with this.  Far better to take Hategan out of the spotlight.  If he and his ARs had remained on the game then the media focus would have been on all of them tonight and not on the game itself, an unfair pressure on them and unfair to both teams.  Can you imagine the media if he made even the tiniest of mistakes with a decision? He'd be absolutely crucified by them, he does not deserve that.

The teams deserve a fresh set of match officials that come with no baggage from the time played last night.  They need to be able to concentrate purely on their football.

It is the right decision to replace the whole team, imo.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Wed 09 Dec 2020 19:46
Not very good refereeing from the french team in Denmark questionable var decisions Turpin should have been in charge instead of a less than experienced official
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Wed 09 Dec 2020 21:26
I agree but UEFA were giving him a debut to see how he went  and he had Turpin as his VAR
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Tue 15 Dec 2020 14:06
A few days before the publication of the new UEFA categories, I gathered all the Elite and First Group appointments in CL and EL. Here:

Appointments of UEFA Referees in CL-EL

Elite Group

6 Appointments: Ovidiu Alin Hategan (ROU)

5 Appointments: Carlos Del Cerro Grande (ESP), Bjorn Kuipers (NED), Danny Makkelie (NED)

4 Appointments: Jesus Gil Manzano (ESP), Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP), Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)

3 Appointments: Aleksei Kulbakov (BLR), Michael Oliver (ENG), Anthony Taylor (ENG), Benoit Bastien (FRA), Clement Turpin (FRA), Felix Brych (GER), Anastasios Sidiropoulos, Daniele Orsato (ITA), Artur Soares Dias (POR), Istvan Kovacs (ROU), Sergei Karasev (RUS), William Collum (SCO), Cüneyt Cakir (TUR)

2 Appointments: Pavel Kralovec (CZE), Felix Zwayer (GER), Ivan Kruzliak (SVK), Damir Skomina (SVN), Slavko Vincic (SVN)

1 Appointment: Szymon Marciniak (POL)

Without an appointment: Deniz Aytekin (GER)

First Group

4 Appointments: Daniel Siebert (GER), Tobias Stieler (GER), Pawel Raczkowski (POL), Radu Petrescu (ROU), Sandro Schärer (SUI), Matej Jug (SVN)

3 Appointments: Lawrence Visser (BEL), Irfan Peljto (BIH), Fran Jovic (CRO), Jakob Kehlet (DEN), Craig Pawson (ENG), Kristo Tohver (EST), Mattias Gestranius (FIN), Roi Reinshreiber (ISR), Davide Massa (ITA), Andris Treimanis (LVA), Nikola Dabanovic (MNE), Serdar Gözübüyük (NED), Bartosz Frankowski (POL), Daniel Stefanski (POL), Tiago Martins (POR), Fabio Verissimo (POR), John Beaton (SCO), Robert Madden (SCO), Srdjan Jovanovic (SRB), Andreas Ekberg (SWE), Halil Meler (TUR)

2 Appointments: Harald Lechner (AUT), Manuel Schüttengruber (AUT), Georgi Kabakov (BUL), Petr Ardeleanu (CZE), Christopher Kavanagh (ENG), Javier Estrada Fernandez (ESP), Jerome Brisard (FRA), Ruddy Buquet (FRA), Francois Letexier (FRA), Tamas Bognar (HUN), Marco Guida (ITA), Maurizio Mariani (ITA), Donatas Rumsas (LTU), Aleksandar Stavrev (MKD), Glenn Nyberg (SWE), Halis Özkahya (TUR), Ali Palabiyik (TUR)

1 Appointment: Aliyar Aghayev (AZE), Alejandro Hernandez Hernandez (ESP), Jose Sanchez Martinez (ESP), Bas Nijhuis (NED), Pawel Gil (POL), Sergei Ivanov (RUS), Ievgenii Aranovskyi (UKR), Sergii Boiko (UKR)

Without an appointment:
Istvan Vad (HUN), Aleksei Eskov (RUS)

Both CL and EL are included.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 15 Dec 2020 15:56

Without an appointment: Istvan Vad (HUN),

He's been out injured again all season. 3rd season running now that he has been injured for the most part - about time for him to hang up his whistle and take up coaching/assessing, imo.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 15 Dec 2020 16:46
Thanks Edy- interesting reading

When will we know the new categories??
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 15 Dec 2020 16:52
Thanks Edy.

From memory, Zwayer was the only German referee listed on the long list posted for World Cup 2022 but not sure how in favour he is - do you think one of the current first category German referees has any chance for that tournament?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 15 Dec 2020 17:16
I think Pawson is probably regarded as a solid performer in First Group and that is where he will stay. The next English referee to make the Elite Group, I think will be Kavanagh in a year or two's time.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 15 Dec 2020 17:28
I think Pawson is probably regarded as a solid performer in First Group and that is where he will stay. The next English referee to make the Elite Group, I think will be Kavanagh in a year or two's time.

I agree. Craig Pawson always reminds me of Andre Marriner.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 15 Dec 2020 17:30

Without an appointment: Istvan Vad (HUN),

He's been out injured again all season. 3rd season running now that he has been injured for the most part - about time for him to hang up his whistle and take up coaching/assessing, imo.

Just to add. Bognár had to come off of 1 game at the last min after a positive covid test so he would have had 3 or more games but was out of contention for a crucial 6 weeks after that.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Tue 15 Dec 2020 17:36
Thanks Edy- interesting reading

When will we know the new categories??

Probably tomorrow. Dutch FA already announced a promotion on the Women's categories.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Tue 15 Dec 2020 17:41
Thanks Edy.

From memory, Zwayer was the only German referee listed on the long list posted for World Cup 2022 but not sure how in favour he is - do you think one of the current first category German referees has any chance for that tournament?

If Stieler is promoted now, I can see him getting on the 2022 WC pre-list (even though a source said that they reviewed the list a few weeks back without any change for UEFA).

Zwayer is having a difficult season in UEFA. If he wasn't German, then he would have been out of the pre-list already.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Hendo on Tue 15 Dec 2020 19:27
I think Pawson is probably regarded as a solid performer in First Group and that is where he will stay. The next English referee to make the Elite Group, I think will be Kavanagh in a year or two's time.

I agree. Craig Pawson always reminds me of Andre Marriner.

Fancy him too do you? 🤪
(off to naughty step - bye!)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 15 Dec 2020 20:14
Thanks Edy.

From memory, Zwayer was the only German referee listed on the long list posted for World Cup 2022 but not sure how in favour he is - do you think one of the current first category German referees has any chance for that tournament?

If Stieler is promoted now, I can see him getting on the 2022 WC pre-list (even though a source said that they reviewed the list a few weeks back without any change for UEFA).

Zwayer is having a difficult season in UEFA. If he wasn't German, then he would have been out of the pre-list already.

It will be interesting to see who’s booted out of elite...

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 15 Dec 2020 20:19
I think Pawson is probably regarded as a solid performer in First Group and that is where he will stay. The next English referee to make the Elite Group, I think will be Kavanagh in a year or two's time.

I agree. Craig Pawson always reminds me of Andre Marriner.


Physically they are fairly different but I know what you mean. Something about an understated, at times almost slightly disengaged style, which they share. The very antithesis of histrionic refereeing. Marriner looks more composed but then he has more experience at the very top level.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Tue 15 Dec 2020 20:42
I think Pawson is probably regarded as a solid performer in First Group and that is where he will stay. The next English referee to make the Elite Group, I think will be Kavanagh in a year or two's time.

I agree. Craig Pawson always reminds me of Andre Marriner.

Fancy him too do you? 🤪
(off to naughty step - bye!)

I'm sure they will both be hugely disappointed to know I save the fancying bit just for Mr Kassai!!!  ;D
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: jad on Wed 16 Dec 2020 14:31
As some may remember, Aleksey Es'kov took a temporary break from refereeing after the 'lie detector' scandal of a few months ago.  As far as I know, he has not yet resumed his activities.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Wed 16 Dec 2020 15:12
As some may remember, Aleksey Es'kov took a temporary break from refereeing after the 'lie detector' scandal of a few months ago.  As far as I know, he has not yet resumed his activities.

Will he stay on the FIFA list?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: jad on Fri 18 Dec 2020 15:56
According to the web-site of he Russian FA he is not on the list for 2021.  He has been replaced by Pavel Kukuyan.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sat 13 Feb 2021 11:27
any thoughts on Taylor Oliver Attwell Coote madley Tierney Pawson or Kavanagh having euro comittments next week ie champs/europa
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 14 Feb 2021 09:44
Tuesday appointments

16.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Camp Nou, Barcelona (ESP)
FC Barcelona (ESP) - Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin E. J. Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Serdar Gözübüyük (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)

16.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Puskás Aréna, Budapest (HUN)
RB Leipzig (GER) - Liverpool FC (ENG)
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee 1: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN)
Assistant Referee 2:Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Matej Jug (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jure Praprotnik (SVN)
UEFA Referee Observer: Sándor Piller (HUN)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolf Řepka (CZE)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sun 14 Feb 2021 10:03
Rosetti checking up on arguably Europes No.1 referee imho
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sun 14 Feb 2021 10:16
Taylor and Oliver hopefully getting euro action this week either in europa or champs

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: PhiltheRef on Sun 14 Feb 2021 11:35
Travel restrictions have prevented some English Officials taking UEFA appointments this week
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 14 Feb 2021 18:52
Strange that Rosetti is observing Kuipers... Kuipers has nothing to prove to the committee regarding his superb talents.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Sun 14 Feb 2021 20:33
Strange that Rosetti is observing Kuipers... Kuipers has nothing to prove to the committee regarding his superb talents.

Maybe a little look and chat with him ahead of the Euros?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 14 Feb 2021 21:44
Strange that Rosetti is observing Kuipers... Kuipers has nothing to prove to the committee regarding his superb talents.

Euro final for Kuipers? Certainly a possibility. A perfect way to retire.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 15 Feb 2021 09:22
Wednesday Appointments
Last 16 1st leg


17.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Estádio do Dragăo, Porto (POR)
FC Porto (POR) - Juventus (ITA)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos Bengoetxea (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Terje Hauge (NOR)
UEFA Delegate: Charles Schaack (LUX)

17.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán, Seville (ESP)
Sevilla FC (ESP) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Mario Diks (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Mehmet Murat Ilgaz (TUR)
UEFA Delegate: Antonio Talarico (ITA)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 15 Feb 2021 10:50
Both are expected appointments.

Makkelie with his 7th CL appointment this season (5 Group Stage, 1 R16, 1 P.O). Really impressive.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: greeny on Fri 19 Feb 2021 17:43
Just heard a podcast with Andy Madley - Taylor was due to do Barcelona v PSG and Oliver was due to do Sevilla v Dortmund until lockdown restrictions meant they could no longer go (as it would've meant 8 referees and numerous ARs in quarantine on their return).
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Fri 19 Feb 2021 18:44
Just heard a podcast with Andy Madley - Taylor was due to do Barcelona v PSG and Oliver was due to do Sevilla v Dortmund until lockdown restrictions meant they could no longer go (as it would've meant 8 referees and numerous ARs in quarantine on their return).

So UEFA could have swapped the refereeing teams from the 2nd to the 1st leg, giving time to Taylor and Oliver to be available for the return legs.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Fri 19 Feb 2021 21:25
Just heard a podcast with Andy Madley - Taylor was due to do Barcelona v PSG and Oliver was due to do Sevilla v Dortmund until lockdown restrictions meant they could no longer go (as it would've meant 8 referees and numerous ARs in quarantine on their return).

Very interesting greeny, I'm actually quite surprised that Madley revealed that!

Would you by any chance have a link to the podcast, I'd be interested to hear it if you think its worth a listen? Tks
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: greeny on Fri 19 Feb 2021 21:36
https://anchor.fm/daniel-milnes/episodes/Episode-2---power-of-life-with-Andy-Madley-eqkrh6

It's quite near the beginning, about 1 minute 10 seconds in - the whole thing is quite interesting.  Andy should have been in Barcelona.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sat 20 Feb 2021 12:02
https://anchor.fm/daniel-milnes/episodes/Episode-2---power-of-life-with-Andy-Madley-eqkrh6

It's quite near the beginning, about 1 minute 10 seconds in - the whole thing is quite interesting.  Andy should have been in Barcelona.

Thank you greeny! I shall give it a listen!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Sat 20 Feb 2021 12:39
I would expect to see brych and Orsato out this week maybe Turpin as well
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sat 20 Feb 2021 13:27
I would expect to see brych and Orsato out this week maybe Turpin as well

I'd agree with that. Seems as if English refs are out at the moment due to travel restrictions. Will be interesting to see what game Orsato gets if he is appointed, considering his performance in Man Utd v PSG before Christmas maybe he would be more deserving of a EL appointment rather than CL game?

Excuse my ignorance, but would the restrictions in Scotland prevent Willie Collum from getting an appointment? (I think much more likely EL than CL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sat 20 Feb 2021 13:36
I would expect to see brych and Orsato out this week maybe Turpin as well

I'd agree with that. Seems as if English refs are out at the moment due to travel restrictions. Will be interesting to see what game Orsato gets if he is appointed, considering his performance in Man Utd v PSG before Christmas maybe he would be more deserving of a EL appointment rather than CL game?

Excuse my ignorance, but would the restrictions in Scotland prevent Willie Collum from getting an appointment? (I think much more likely EL than CL)

I don’t think UEFA would appoint Collum.. yes because of the Covid but also he hasn’t had much experience of VAR ( I can only recall two or three matches where he’s had big brother watching).

Portuguese officials would be inactive as well I’d guess given the Brazilian variant.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sat 20 Feb 2021 13:40
I would expect to see brych and Orsato out this week maybe Turpin as well

I'd agree with that. Seems as if English refs are out at the moment due to travel restrictions. Will be interesting to see what game Orsato gets if he is appointed, considering his performance in Man Utd v PSG before Christmas maybe he would be more deserving of a EL appointment rather than CL game?

Excuse my ignorance, but would the restrictions in Scotland prevent Willie Collum from getting an appointment? (I think much more likely EL than CL)

I don’t think UEFA would appoint Collum.. yes because of the Covid but also he hasn’t had much experience of VAR ( I can only recall two or three matches where he’s had big brother watching).

Portuguese officials would be inactive as well I’d guess given the Brazilian variant.

True Collum probably has been limited by his lack of VAR experience. I actually rate Collum but I think he is somewhat inconsistent, on his day excellent but I dare say of late it probably hasn't been his day often enough! He was lucky to avoid demotion at Christmas IMO and I wonder what plans UEFA have for him in the future
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sun 21 Feb 2021 09:10
any English refs doing 2nd legs eg collum,taylor,oliver?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 21 Feb 2021 09:30
23.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Arena Națională, Bucharest (ROU)
Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Christian Dingert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Pavel Kolev (BUL)

23.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Stadio Olimpico, Rome  (ITA)
SS Lazio (ITA) - FC Bayern München (GER)
Referee: Orel Grinfeld (ISR)
Assistant Referee 1: Roy Hassan (ISR)
Assistant Referee 2: Idan Yarkoni (ISR)
Fourth Official: Gal Leibovitz (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Roi Reinshreiber (ISR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Carlos Velasco Carballo (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Loukas Siotropos (GRE)


https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/2029474--atletico-vs-chelsea/
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/match/2029471--lazio-vs-bayern/
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 21 Feb 2021 09:31
Wasn’t expecting Grinfeld to appear, great game for him. Velasco as an observer too.

Brych with a standard appointment with an important observer, Brych was predicted by many on here.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 21 Feb 2021 10:08
Excellent appointment for Grinfeld and a deserved one after a very good Group Stage. I would dare to say that he is a lock for Euro.

Vassaras observing Brych is something that you don't expect. But the Greek is head of Refereeing in Romania and spends a lot of time there.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 21 Feb 2021 10:49
Excellent appointment for Grinfeld and a deserved one after a very good Group Stage. I would dare to say that he is a lock for Euro.

Vassaras observing Brych is something that you don't expect. But the Greek is head of Refereeing in Romania and spends a lot of time there.

Edy do you expect anyone else to get their KO round debut this season?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 21 Feb 2021 14:21
Excellent appointment for Grinfeld and a deserved one after a very good Group Stage. I would dare to say that he is a lock for Euro.

Vassaras observing Brych is something that you don't expect. But the Greek is head of Refereeing in Romania and spends a lot of time there.

Edy do you expect anyone else to get their KO round debut this season?

No. Vincic and Grinfeld already had theirs and Kovacs already did an EL match. Stieler is too inexperienced and was just promoted. Bastien is not considered for CL.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Critics on Mon 22 Feb 2021 03:55
Do Artur Dias the portuguese have a chance? IMO Dias and Turpin may ref the rest UCL games this week.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 22 Feb 2021 09:27
24.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Stadio di Bergamo, Bergamo (ITA)
Atalanta BC (ITA) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Christian Gittelmann (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Eduard Beitinger (GER)
Fourth Official: Sandro Schärer (SUI)
Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Harm Osmers (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Martin Ingvarsson (SWE)
UEFA Delegate: Jean Paul Mievis (BEL)

24.02.2021, 21:00 CET
Puskás Aréna, Budapest (HUN)
Borussia VfL 1900 Mönchengladbach (GER) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Artur Dias (POR)
Assistant Referee 1: Rui Tavares (POR)
Assistant Referee 2: Bruno Rodrigues (POR)
Fourth Official: Hugo Miguel (POR)
Video Assistant Referee: Joăo Pinheiro (POR)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alfredo Trentalange (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Nebojša Ivković (SRB)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 22 Feb 2021 09:30
I forgot Soares Dias for a CL debut since I thought that he had already done it. Age I guess.  :D

I wasn't expecting Stieler so soon with a CL debut. Zwayer must be feeling the pressure for both EURO and WC 2022.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 22 Feb 2021 09:51
I forgot Soares Dias for a CL debut since I thought that he had already done it. Age I guess.  :D

I wasn't expecting Stieler so soon with a CL debut. Zwayer must be feeling the pressure for both EURO and WC 2022.

Zwayer seems to be totally out of favour at present. For a potential WC official to not have a fixture, for it then to go to a new elite official is interesting.

I didn’t think Soares Dias would appear given the current issues but here he is, with an important observer.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 22 Feb 2021 10:28
I forgot Soares Dias for a CL debut since I thought that he had already done it. Age I guess.  :D

I wasn't expecting Stieler so soon with a CL debut. Zwayer must be feeling the pressure for both EURO and WC 2022.

Zwayer seems to be totally out of favour at present. For a potential WC official to not have a fixture, for it then to go to a new elite official is interesting.

I didn’t think Soares Dias would appear given the current issues but here he is, with an important observer.

I believe that Zwayer is appointed in EL. But still it shows that the committee has focused on Stieler atm.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 22 Feb 2021 10:34
I forgot Soares Dias for a CL debut since I thought that he had already done it. Age I guess.  :D

I wasn't expecting Stieler so soon with a CL debut. Zwayer must be feeling the pressure for both EURO and WC 2022.

Surely Zwayer will not attend EURO, only 1 CL group stage appointment and surely he doe not deserve a QF or more so I think his chances are limited.

Great appointment for Stieler. I have seen very little of Soares Dias, is this a deserved appointment? Good prediction by Critics!!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: greeny on Mon 22 Feb 2021 16:49
English clubs now have to quarantine on their return from Europe - I wonder how this will impact on both European fixtures and domestic fixtures.  I don't expect to see any English referees out in Europe anytime soon.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Wed 24 Feb 2021 08:46
Does this mean that due to English quarantine from being abroad we won’t be seeing any of our English refs in champs/Europa ref any more matches this season?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 24 Feb 2021 10:47
Does this mean that due to English quarantine from being abroad we won’t be seeing any of our English refs in champs/Europa ref any more matches this season?

Highly unlikely.

 The only scenario I can think of ( unlikely but possible) is it they switch a tie to the UK mainland, in either of the four nations. That would mean no travel restrictions. That all depends on the devolved administrations.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sat 06 Mar 2021 11:37
2nd legs over next 2 weeks hopefully some English involvement
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Sat 06 Mar 2021 11:41
Travel restrictions may well play a part again.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sat 06 Mar 2021 14:20
Marc Birkett and scottish colleague travelled for Futsal qualifier to Finland. Not sure if he is quarantined on return tho
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sat 06 Mar 2021 14:24
2nd legs over next 2 weeks hopefully some English involvement

I very much doubt there will be, especially as Oliver has been conscripted to VAR booth duties on Monday at the last minute.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 07 Mar 2021 09:42
9.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Juventus Stadium, Turin (ITA)
Juventus (ITA) - FC Porto (POR)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Pascal Garibian (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Georges Lüchinger (LIE)

09.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund (GER)
Borussia Dortmund (GER)  - Sevilla FC (ESP)
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz  Mikulski (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolphe Mannaerts (BEL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 07 Mar 2021 09:43
Cant get any referees better than these in those appointments!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 07 Mar 2021 09:46
9.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Juventus Stadium, Turin (ITA)
Juventus (ITA) - FC Porto (POR)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Bas Nijhuis (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Pascal Garibian (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Georges Lüchinger (LIE)

09.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund (GER)
Borussia Dortmund (GER)  - Sevilla FC (ESP)
Referee: Cüneyt Çakır (TUR)
Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR)
Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR)
Fourth Official: Arda Kardeşler (TUR)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Mete Kalkavan (TUR)
UEFA Referee Observer: Tomasz  Mikulski (POL)
UEFA Delegate: Rudolphe Mannaerts (BEL)

Kuipers with an unbelievable achievement this season in terms of appointments. COVID may have helped this but still shows a very good quality of performance and fully deserved  appointments. 

Cakir also with a good appointment, seems he has the full trust of the committee again.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 07 Mar 2021 10:32
Kuipers with 2 CL and 1 EL appointment on the Knock-out stage so far. I believe that this shows that his appointment on Barcelona - PSG was a replacement for possibly Taylor due to travel restrictions.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 07 Mar 2021 16:14
Kuipers with 2 CL and 1 EL appointment on the Knock-out stage so far. I believe that this shows that his appointment on Barcelona - PSG was a replacement for possibly Taylor due to travel restrictions.

Kuipers the favourite for EURO final in your view?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Sun 07 Mar 2021 17:15
Kuipers with 2 CL and 1 EL appointment on the Knock-out stage so far. I believe that this shows that his appointment on Barcelona - PSG was a replacement for possibly Taylor due to travel restrictions.

Kuipers the favourite for EURO final in your view?

He is in my "inferior to Edy's" opinion!

*I say inferior as he has way more knowledge at UEFA level than I will ever have!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 07 Mar 2021 17:43
Kuipers with 2 CL and 1 EL appointment on the Knock-out stage so far. I believe that this shows that his appointment on Barcelona - PSG was a replacement for possibly Taylor due to travel restrictions.

Kuipers the favourite for EURO final in your view?

I believe so. If Netherlands are not on the final, I would say that he is a lock.

If Netherlands are on the final, well that's a big discussion.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Sun 07 Mar 2021 18:58
Kuipers with 2 CL and 1 EL appointment on the Knock-out stage so far. I believe that this shows that his appointment on Barcelona - PSG was a replacement for possibly Taylor due to travel restrictions.

Kuipers the favourite for EURO final in your view?

100%
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sun 07 Mar 2021 19:14
And imho quite rightly, consistently best in Europe
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 07 Mar 2021 20:02
Kuipers with 2 CL and 1 EL appointment on the Knock-out stage so far. I believe that this shows that his appointment on Barcelona - PSG was a replacement for possibly Taylor due to travel restrictions.

Kuipers the favourite for EURO final in your view?

He is in my "inferior to Edy's" opinion!

*I say inferior as he has way more knowledge at UEFA level than I will ever have!

Probably more knowledge than most on here combined!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 07 Mar 2021 20:04
Kuipers with 2 CL and 1 EL appointment on the Knock-out stage so far. I believe that this shows that his appointment on Barcelona - PSG was a replacement for possibly Taylor due to travel restrictions.

Kuipers the favourite for EURO final in your view?

I believe so. If Netherlands are not on the final, I would say that he is a lock.

If Netherlands are on the final, well that's a big discussion.

Indeed if Netherlands are in the final it is very hard to say. Normally I would say Cakir but I can't see it with the current UEFA president... and he hasn't been on top form the last year (although still very good). Brych would perhaps be a good bet.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Critics on Mon 08 Mar 2021 07:23
Kuipers’s seventh appointments in CL this season, I wonder if anyone before him could get seven or more games in CL within a season? He is an outstanding ref with authority and is well thought of IMO.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 08 Mar 2021 09:23
Wednesday appointments

10.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) - FC Barcelona (ESP)
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Balász Makray (HUN)

10.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Puskás Aréna, Budapest (HUN)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - RB Leipzig (GER)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon (BEL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 08 Mar 2021 09:38
Wednesday appointments

10.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) - FC Barcelona (ESP)
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Balász Makray (HUN)

10.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Puskás Aréna, Budapest (HUN)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - RB Leipzig (GER)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon (BEL)

Finally yes an English appointment
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 08 Mar 2021 10:05
Good to see an English official appointed even if in a match that seems already decided - but maybe they learnt from Aytekin!!

Maybe Oliver will be in the EL?

I wonder if Turpin has any chances for the CL final, I guess maybe EL is more possible. Makkelie and Lahoz are maybe favourites.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 08 Mar 2021 10:59
Wednesday appointments

10.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA) - FC Barcelona (ESP)
Referee: Anthony Taylor (ENG)
Assistant Referee 1: Gary Beswick (ENG)
Assistant Referee 2: Adam Nunn (ENG)
Fourth Official: David Coote (ENG)
Video Assistant Referee: Stuart Attwell (ENG)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paul Tierney (ENG)
UEFA Referee Observer: Kyros Vassaras (GRE)
UEFA Delegate: Balász Makray (HUN)

10.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Puskás Aréna, Budapest (HUN)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - RB Leipzig (GER)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Willy Delajod (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Konrad Plautz (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon (BEL)

Both have important observers too... I can’t see Turpin lined up for anything big this season.. but you never know!!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 08 Mar 2021 13:14
Where do we reckon we're at in terms of Euro 2020 referees?

Referees like Grinfeld seem to have progressed a bit further and might have a good chance now because of delay.

I think Netherlands will send two referees - are any others likely?

I think Oliver might miss out this time but Taylor has been refereeing extremely well recently.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 08 Mar 2021 14:18
Where do we reckon we're at in terms of Euro 2020 referees?

Referees like Grinfeld seem to have progressed a bit further and might have a good chance now because of delay.

I think Netherlands will send two referees - are any others likely?

I think Oliver might miss out this time but Taylor has been refereeing extremely well recently.

For me both Oliver and Taylor to go as referees as they have both been great this season however i do agree Taylor has probably just edged it, so if only one can go then UEFA would send Taylor but imo both deserve to go.

I think Frappart and Turpin from France
Brych and Zwayer from Germany
Kuipers and Makkelie from Holland
Cakir from Turkey
Haetagen from Romania
Grindfield from Israel 
Jesus Gil, Del Cerro and Lahoz from Spain
and many more from different countires
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 08 Mar 2021 14:49
Where do we reckon we're at in terms of Euro 2020 referees?

Referees like Grinfeld seem to have progressed a bit further and might have a good chance now because of delay.

I think Netherlands will send two referees - are any others likely?

I think Oliver might miss out this time but Taylor has been refereeing extremely well recently.

For me both Oliver and Taylor to go as referees as they have both been great this season however i do agree Taylor has probably just edged it, so if only one can go then UEFA would send Taylor but imo both deserve to go.

I think Frappart and Turpin from France
Brych and Zwayer from Germany
Kuipers and Makkelie from Holland
Cakir from Turkey
Haetagen from Romania
Grindfield from Israel 
Jesus Gil, Del Cerro and Lahoz from Spain
and many more from different countires

A total scandal IMO if Zwayer goes to EURO, would be totally undeserved IMO.

I think Oliver and Taylor will probably both go but I agree if it is only one - it will be Taylor.

I hope Hategan will be able to attend but issues relating to the Paris incident may persist and I believe he will need a new AR, as I assume the one involved will definitely be out?

Skomina is an interesting case, some have suggested that due to injury Vincic may overtake him. I have never been that convinced by Vincic but if Skomina is injured maybe he will get in.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 08 Mar 2021 14:53
Has it been established how many Referees are likely to go to Euro 2020?  I had a figure of 18 in mind but could be completely wrong.

Kuipers and Makkelie I agree are a likely duo from 1 country.  Germany possibly with two referees but would the second choice be preferable to Oliver on merit if only Germany or England had 1 representative?  GingerReferee mentions all 3 elite from Spain but I really can't see that happening; two maybe.

France will have Turpin for sure although Stephanie Frappart would be an interesting (political?) choice if two were to go.

Edy can probably advise on whether the selection is made primarily to include referees from as many countries as possible within certain ranking criteria or is strictly on merit? 
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 08 Mar 2021 15:21

I hope Hategan will be able to attend but issues relating to the Paris incident may persist and I believe he will need a new AR, as I assume the one involved will definitely be out?


Hategan is back domestically, for a while now, and doing just fine.  It was Sebi's last International match that night anyway so he was needing a new AR even without it happening.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 08 Mar 2021 15:28
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  GingerReferee mentions all 3 elite from Spain but I really can't see that happening; two maybe.

if only 2 go, for me i put all 3 just because i am not sure who would miss out, i certainly think Carlos Del Cerro will go but out of the other 2 persnally i would say Jesus Gil,
but if only 2  who would you say would go?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 08 Mar 2021 15:36
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  GingerReferee mentions all 3 elite from Spain but I really can't see that happening; two maybe.

if only 2 go, for me i put all 3 just because i am not sure who would miss out, i certainly think Carlos Del Cerro will go but out of the other 2 persnally i would say Jesus Gil,
but if only 2  who would you say would go?

Carlos del Cerro Grande gets bmb's vote! Then Jesús Gil Manzano.

Disclaimer: bmb may have different criteria to everyone else!



Haetagen from Romania

I'd rather see Kovács István given a chance ahead of Ovi Hategan, however realistically it is probably too soon for that & Hategan has been overall the better performer of the 2 in Europe, if I am honest.  I just so desperately want to see Kovács doing well. Maybe the next big tournament will be his time.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 08 Mar 2021 15:50

I hope Hategan will be able to attend but issues relating to the Paris incident may persist and I believe he will need a new AR, as I assume the one involved will definitely be out?


Hategan is back domestically, for a while now, and doing just fine.  It was Sebi's last International match that night anyway so he was needing a new AR even without it happening.

Was Sebi not FO on that match? I thought Hategan's AR1 was also under scrutiny for the language he used.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 08 Mar 2021 16:31

I hope Hategan will be able to attend but issues relating to the Paris incident may persist and I believe he will need a new AR, as I assume the one involved will definitely be out?


Hategan is back domestically, for a while now, and doing just fine.  It was Sebi's last International match that night anyway so he was needing a new AR even without it happening.

Was Sebi not FO on that match? I thought Hategan's AR1 was also under scrutiny for the language he used.

You are of course right. Sebi was 4O not AR, my mistake. He's back refereeing domestically as well! Not sure if he will need a new AR but that's not a huge issue, Kassai & Clatts both changed their AR's easily enough when it was needed and I'm sure they're not the only ones.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 08 Mar 2021 16:49

I hope Hategan will be able to attend but issues relating to the Paris incident may persist and I believe he will need a new AR, as I assume the one involved will definitely be out?


Hategan is back domestically, for a while now, and doing just fine.  It was Sebi's last International match that night anyway so he was needing a new AR even without it happening.

Was Sebi not FO on that match? I thought Hategan's AR1 was also under scrutiny for the language he used.

You are of course right. Sebi was 4O not AR, my mistake. He's back refereeing domestically as well! Not sure if he will need a new AR but that's not a huge issue, Kassai & Clatts both changed their AR's easily enough when it was needed and I'm sure they're not the only ones.

I am glad that Sebi is back domestically. I'm sure that he went through a few weeks even months of torment over that incident and no doubt he will have further challenges to face in that regard. While I am in no way condoning what he said, I do accept that he didn't mean to cause offence and I don't think he is a racist and with those facts in mind I don't really think any significant punishment is warranted. Although I do see that UEFA will, quite rightly, want to be seen to have an absolute zero tolerance attitude towards racism in any event.

Regardless, in the context of this discussion - I think you make a good point, hopefully for Hategan replacing an AR if needed will not be a significant challenge.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 08 Mar 2021 16:49
Has it been established how many Referees are likely to go to Euro 2020?  I had a figure of 18 in mind but could be completely wrong.

Kuipers and Makkelie I agree are a likely duo from 1 country.  Germany possibly with two referees but would the second choice be preferable to Oliver on merit if only Germany or England had 1 representative?  GingerReferee mentions all 3 elite from Spain but I really can't see that happening; two maybe.

France will have Turpin for sure although Stephanie Frappart would be an interesting (political?) choice if two were to go.

Edy can probably advise on whether the selection is made primarily to include referees from as many countries as possible within certain ranking criteria or is strictly on merit? 

I am told that 18 referees will go to UEFA Euro. There are a few open spots.

I would say the Zwayer is probably out and Stieler is being pushed to get in. Hategan seems to be in danger after the incident on Paris (he was a lock before Christmas. Frappart will probably be there as well.

I do believe that the 4 big refereeing nations (FRA, ESP, GER, ENG) will have 2 referees there. ITA will only have Orsato.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 08 Mar 2021 16:51

I hope Hategan will be able to attend but issues relating to the Paris incident may persist and I believe he will need a new AR, as I assume the one involved will definitely be out?


Hategan is back domestically, for a while now, and doing just fine.  It was Sebi's last International match that night anyway so he was needing a new AR even without it happening.

Was Sebi not FO on that match? I thought Hategan's AR1 was also under scrutiny for the language he used.

You are of course right. Sebi was 4O not AR, my mistake. He's back refereeing domestically as well! Not sure if he will need a new AR but that's not a huge issue, Kassai & Clatts both changed their AR's easily enough when it was needed and I'm sure they're not the only ones.

I am glad that Sebi is back domestically. I'm sure that he went through a few weeks even months of torment over that incident and no doubt he will have further challenges to face in that regard. While I am in no way condoning what he said, I do accept that he didn't mean to cause offence and I don't think he is a racist and with those facts in mind I don't really think any significant punishment is warranted. Although I do see that UEFA will, quite rightly, want to be seen to have an absolute zero tolerance attitude towards racism in any event.

Regardless, in the context of this discussion - I think you make a good point, hopefully for Hategan replacing an AR if needed will not be a significant challenge.

Have just seen he has been banned - https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/sebastian-coltescu-ban-uefa-black-coach-1.5940892
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 08 Mar 2021 16:55
Just based on the previous appointments as well as gut instinct of what UEFA have done or might do, I think the following will all go as referees:

I think most of the elite group will be picked so quite a lot of countries will have two refs.
So that will be:
Both Taylor and Oliver
Brych & zwayer from Germany
Lahoz & cerro Grande from Spain
Cakir from turkey
Hategan from Romania
Skomina from Slovenia
Dutch couple Kuipers & Makkelie
Orsato for Italy
Marciniak from Poland
Soares Dias from Portugal
Grinfeeld from Israel
And Turpin from France

I think Frappart will be picked as a political decision rather than a sporting one. Last chance for Zwayer before Steiler is favourited. The rest of the elite group will go as 4ths
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 08 Mar 2021 16:57
After Netherlands, I think England should be in line for two referees if that happens above Germany and France (not sure about Spain.)

If Edy's right about 8 from Eng, , Fra, Spa and Ger going then if we presume the Netherlands has 2 as well that's 10 spots gone already, which I think might be a bit much.
If fit, I'm sure Skomina, Orsato, Marciniak, Cakir will go too and I would have said Hategan. So not too many spots left.

Having two refs from so many countries would certainly be a big change from the past - when it happened with Clattenburg/Atkinson in 2016 it felt very much the exception (and not sure it would have happened if Clattenburg had been FA's choice.)

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 08 Mar 2021 17:09

Have just seen he has been banned - https://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/sebastian-coltescu-ban-uefa-black-coach-1.5940892

Shame - he'd not long been back and was doing well.  I wonder if he will call it a day. It was more a cultural thing than anything, he's certainly not racist. Central & Eastern Europe are not particularly PC by Western standards in any way, shape or form and overall not racist. There are of course exceptions to that, but then the West isn't a shining beacon in that respect either.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 08 Mar 2021 17:10
Hategan seems to be in danger after the incident on Paris (he was a lock before Christmas.

Kovács??
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 08 Mar 2021 18:48
Just based on the previous appointments as well as gut instinct of what UEFA have done or might do, I think the following will all go as referees:

I think most of the elite group will be picked so quite a lot of countries will have two refs.
So that will be:
Both Taylor and Oliver
Brych & zwayer from Germany
Lahoz & cerro Grande from Spain
Cakir from turkey
Hategan from Romania
Skomina from Slovenia
Dutch couple Kuipers & Makkelie
Orsato for Italy
Marciniak from Poland
Soares Dias from Portugal
Grinfeeld from Israel
And Turpin from France

I think Frappart will be picked as a political decision rather than a sporting one. Last chance for Zwayer before Steiler is favourited. The rest of the elite group will go as 4ths

I can't disagree with most of the names of your list. But IMO Stieler has a big chance of attending (remember he did a CL R16 and Zwayer only EL). Moreover Skomina is injured and I don't think that he will be ready until then. Vincic is a good alternative (he did a CL R16 debut).
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 08 Mar 2021 18:52
Just based on the previous appointments as well as gut instinct of what UEFA have done or might do, I think the following will all go as referees:

I think most of the elite group will be picked so quite a lot of countries will have two refs.
So that will be:
Both Taylor and Oliver
Brych & zwayer from Germany
Lahoz & cerro Grande from Spain
Cakir from turkey
Hategan from Romania
Skomina from Slovenia
Dutch couple Kuipers & Makkelie
Orsato for Italy
Marciniak from Poland
Soares Dias from Portugal
Grinfeeld from Israel
And Turpin from France

I think Frappart will be picked as a political decision rather than a sporting one. Last chance for Zwayer before Steiler is favourited. The rest of the elite group will go as 4ths

I can't disagree with most of the names of your list. But IMO Stieler has a big chance of attending (remember he did a CL R16 and Zwayer only EL). Moreover Skomina is injured and I don't think that he will be ready until then. Vincic is a good alternative (he did a CL R16 debut).

Thanks Edy. Shame about skomina as he is in top 4 refs in europe for me
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Wed 10 Mar 2021 11:58
Incredible matches for both referees last night, very very challenging (particularly for Kuipers).

It would take a long time to write a full analysis and one finds themselves at a lose at where to start. Cakir with the incredible VAR sequence, Kuipers with an extremely challenging ET.

On the whole I think both did very very well. Technically some mistakes but to keep full control at all times is to their credit, I think many referees would have lost control of both matches, especially Juve - Porto in ET.

Looking at the big incidents in both games -

Cakir VAR sequence - I'd advise everyone to watch this, very complicated scenario lots of points to take from it. From the replays I saw no clear and obvious mistake to disallow the goal, but Cakir was shown some other angles it seemed. Clear PK for Dortmund before this, difficult to detect as Cakir was likely looking at the cross so correct to award a penalty here and disallow the goal after OFR IMO. Obviously the re take correct and I thought he handled the afters very well with two correct YC.

Maybe VAR Irrati could have avoided a lot of controversy by simply allowing the first goal or even better if he had intervened before the goal was scored to advise Cakir about the penalty. Tough choices though and technically I think he was totally correct.

Second penalty he awarded also correct IMO.

Kuipers - Porto penalty IMO quite soft but not wrong. For me no penalty but no way VAR should intervene. I think Juventus had a very good penalty claim when the goalkeeper challenged Ronaldo. For me this was a penalty but again probably not VAR stuff (but close). Finally the red card was fine for me and all other penalty claims were correctly judge IMO.

On the whole I think while they didn't get everything right both Cakir and Kuipers showed why, even in the twilight of their international careers, they are two of Europe's best, strong, composed and calm at all times.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Wed 10 Mar 2021 15:08
And thats why they get the games. Safe hands, minimum of fuss, in/out job done
All things being equal, fitness, health and a dose of luck both should "go deep" into Euro 2020 (2021)
More than happy to see either on England games, esp vs Scotland
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 10 Mar 2021 17:06
Incredible matches for both referees last night, very very challenging (particularly for Kuipers).

It would take a long time to write a full analysis and one finds themselves at a lose at where to start. Cakir with the incredible VAR sequence, Kuipers with an extremely challenging ET.

On the whole I think both did very very well. Technically some mistakes but to keep full control at all times is to their credit, I think many referees would have lost control of both matches, especially Juve - Porto in ET.

Looking at the big incidents in both games -

Cakir VAR sequence - I'd advise everyone to watch this, very complicated scenario lots of points to take from it. From the replays I saw no clear and obvious mistake to disallow the goal, but Cakir was shown some other angles it seemed. Clear PK for Dortmund before this, difficult to detect as Cakir was likely looking at the cross so correct to award a penalty here and disallow the goal after OFR IMO. Obviously the re take correct and I thought he handled the afters very well with two correct YC.

Maybe VAR Irrati could have avoided a lot of controversy by simply allowing the first goal or even better if he had intervened before the goal was scored to advise Cakir about the penalty. Tough choices though and technically I think he was totally correct.

Second penalty he awarded also correct IMO.

Kuipers - Porto penalty IMO quite soft but not wrong. For me no penalty but no way VAR should intervene. I think Juventus had a very good penalty claim when the goalkeeper challenged Ronaldo. For me this was a penalty but again probably not VAR stuff (but close). Finally the red card was fine for me and all other penalty claims were correctly judge IMO.

On the whole I think while they didn't get everything right both Cakir and Kuipers showed why, even in the twilight of their international careers, they are two of Europe's best, strong, composed and calm at all times.

Irrati seems to cause chaos and confusion regularly when he occupies the VAR role.. so I’m not in the least bit surprised he has unnecessarily got involved.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ClaretandBlue06 on Thu 11 Mar 2021 21:39
I hope Slavko Vincic has to improved remarkably in 3 years to have any chance of referring at the Euros. He ruined my trip to Athens with the clarets. Completely changed the game with his odd second half decisions. Rumours that the owner went in at half time to see the ref. Shocking performance.  Uefa had to appoint Kassai to the 2nd leg  because of it.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Thu 11 Mar 2021 21:59
Uefa had to appoint Kassai to the 2nd leg  because of it.

Of no relevance but I went to that game - week before school started after the summer holidays! He wore black! Andó-Szabó was 4O, the beautiful Ring György and Tóth Vencel as AR. Got pick sausage, a bottle of sour cherry pálinka, 2 tubes of paprika paste, tub of sweet paprika & a bottle of tokaj wine at the hotel at lunchtime! No idea what the score was, I only remember the relevant information! ;D
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Sun 14 Mar 2021 09:29
any 2nd leg involvement for the English/scottish refs?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 14 Mar 2021 09:54
16.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Atalanta BC (ITA)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Mario Diks (NED)
Fourth Official: Allard Lindhout (NED)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Uno Tutk (EST) 
UEFA Delegate: Claude Runavot (FRA)

16.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Puskás Aréna, Budapest (HUN)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Borussia VfL 1900 Mönchengladbach (GER)
Referee: Sergey Karasev (RUS)
Assistant Referee 1: Igor Demeshko RUS)
Assistant Referee 2: Maksim Gavrilin (RUS)
Fourth Official: Aleksei Kulbakov (BLR)
Video Assistant Referee: Vitali Meshkov (RUS)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sergei Ivanov (RUS)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Medved (SVK) 
UEFA Delegate: Aristeidis Stavropoulos (GRE)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sun 14 Mar 2021 10:00
If Holland do not progress well in EUROs I can see Makkellie joining Kuipers in the QF/SF stages of the competition (likely 4th in final if they want all from same nation)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 15 Mar 2021 10:12
Last 16 2nd legs

17.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Stamford Bridge, London (ENG)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Haim Jakov (ISR)
UEFA Delegate: Jānis Mežeckis (LVA)

17.03.2021, 21:00 CET
Fußball Arena München, Munich (GER)
FC Bayern München (GER) - SS Lazio (ITA)
Referee: István Kovács (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Vasile Florin Marinescu (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Ovidiu Artene (ROU)
Fourth Official: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Pawel Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)
UEFA Referee Observer: Vladimir Šajn (SVN)
UEFA Delegate: Tammo Beishuizen (NED
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 15 Mar 2021 10:19
Is it possible to have 2 Romanians in Euro?

Normally I would say no, but with Rosetti you never know.....
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 15 Mar 2021 11:26
Is it possible to have 2 Romanians in Euro?

Normally I would say no, but with Rosetti you never know.....

Interesting indeed. I wonder had Hategan not had the Paris incident what the state of play would be, I thought that his EL appointment last week meant he was fully back, now I wonder is there any possibility only Kovacs will attend EURO? Surely not....

As for two going, well I assume the general principle is that referees appointed to the CL knockout stage will attend? If so then I guess Kovacs has a good chance (I think this is an important observer?). It will be interesting to see how Hategan is appointed in coming rounds.

Also I am not yet totally convinced by Kovacs, only 5 CL games so far (I think) and while I think he has talent and a good future I think maybe he lacks experience. I would be interested how others rate him?



Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 15 Mar 2021 13:56

Also I am not yet totally convinced by Kovacs, only 5 CL games so far (I think) and while I think he has talent and a good future I think maybe he lacks experience. I would be interested how others rate him?


I've been following him since his liga 2 days. For an ethnic Hungarian to rise the way he has in Romania is rare & a testament to the hard work put in by Kyros Vassaras and Alexandru Deaconu into ridding the referee department of xenophobia and enforcing true diversity and equal opportunities.  What they have achieved there cannot be underestimated. It is HUGE! His appointment is not a token one either, he has got there by a lot of hard work and as he has risen up the ranks with a lot of support from his fellow referees and the referee committees there. Hategan in particular has been very supportive. His brother Szabolcs has fairly recently made his Liga 1 debut and is another promising talent. Considering the standard of domestic football in Romania, and I do not mean that disrespectfully, it is a similar standard to Hungary/Serbia/Slovakia for any referee from those regions to go from refereeing in a domestic league akin to conference to top league 1/lower championship level to refereeing National teams is a huge leap in standards. Any referee achieving this has my respect. Domestically clubs are starting to accept him, again partially down to the 'kick it out' work of Kyros and Alex, fans however don't. He faces a horrendous barrage of abuse every single game just because he is ethnic Hungarian, the racial/xenophobic slurs chanted for 90 mins are sickening and it is a testament to his character how he copes with it and continues to work hard and keep improving. I felt physically sick watching him referee the Bucharest derby just prior to him being promoted to the elite category, the abuse was non stop and he was pelted with coins/lighters etc every time he was near a touchline. I don't need to speak Romanian to understand the slurs, I have been to enough Hungary v Romania national team games to know what they are and yes the Hungarian ultras are just as bad towards Romanians as the Romanians are to Hungarians! I hate it, I wish it would end & I fully support our President in the MLSZ who is trying to rid it on our side as well as Kyros & Alex's work to do so.  I'm a huge fan of Kovács, he's not the finished article, he continues to improve but I do think he is ready for the big stage. I was delighted when he was promoted.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 15 Mar 2021 13:58
Is it possible to have 2 Romanians in Euro?

Normally I would say no, but with Rosetti you never know.....

Oh how I hope so!

Technically speaking though it would be 1 Transylvanian Romanian & 1 ethnic Hungarian Romanian! That would be a HUGE achievement.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 15 Mar 2021 15:44

Also I am not yet totally convinced by Kovacs, only 5 CL games so far (I think) and while I think he has talent and a good future I think maybe he lacks experience. I would be interested how others rate him?


I've been following him since his liga 2 days. For an ethnic Hungarian to rise the way he has in Romania is rare & a testament to the hard work put in by Kyros Vassaras and Alexandru Deaconu into ridding the referee department of xenophobia and enforcing true diversity and equal opportunities.  What they have achieved there cannot be underestimated. It is HUGE! His appointment is not a token one either, he has got there by a lot of hard work and as he has risen up the ranks with a lot of support from his fellow referees and the referee committees there. Hategan in particular has been very supportive. His brother Szabolcs has fairly recently made his Liga 1 debut and is another promising talent. Considering the standard of domestic football in Romania, and I do not mean that disrespectfully, it is a similar standard to Hungary/Serbia/Slovakia for any referee from those regions to go from refereeing in a domestic league akin to conference to top league 1/lower championship level to refereeing National teams is a huge leap in standards. Any referee achieving this has my respect. Domestically clubs are starting to accept him, again partially down to the 'kick it out' work of Kyros and Alex, fans however don't. He faces a horrendous barrage of abuse every single game just because he is ethnic Hungarian, the racial/xenophobic slurs chanted for 90 mins are sickening and it is a testament to his character how he copes with it and continues to work hard and keep improving. I felt physically sick watching him referee the Bucharest derby just prior to him being promoted to the elite category, the abuse was non stop and he was pelted with coins/lighters etc every time he was near a touchline. I don't need to speak Romanian to understand the slurs, I have been to enough Hungary v Romania national team games to know what they are and yes the Hungarian ultras are just as bad towards Romanians as the Romanians are to Hungarians! I hate it, I wish it would end & I fully support our President in the MLSZ who is trying to rid it on our side as well as Kyros & Alex's work to do so.  I'm a huge fan of Kovács, he's not the finished article, he continues to improve but I do think he is ready for the big stage. I was delighted when he was promoted.

Thank you bmb for that fantastic insight. I would like to think I am relatively knowledgeable about refereeing matters but it just goes to show the amazing challenges some officials can face totally unbeknown to us, I would expect most fans watching his CL/EL games will have no idea the struggles he has overcome to get there.

My comments earlier perhaps didn't fully reflect my position on Kovacs so just to clarify, I think his R16 appointment is deserved, I think he is a good referee with talent as I said but I do question if he is ready for EURO. Again I appreciate that he has ability but like you say bmb he is not the finished article.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 15 Mar 2021 16:11
A very good sign for Kovacs IMO.

He also has an important observer so if things go well, he looks a very likely candidate and yes, two Romanian officials could be on the cards.

I didn’t expect Karasev on the city game, and I think he is still a 50/50 shot for the Euros.
Not sure however if the observer is important for him? I’m sure Edy could clarify for us all.

Orsato with a standard appointment given the state of the tie.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Mon 15 Mar 2021 17:04
Karasev appointed as its not in England
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 15 Mar 2021 17:11
Karasev appointed as its not in England

Good point!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 15 Mar 2021 18:05
My comments earlier perhaps didn't fully reflect my position on Kovacs so just to clarify, I think his R16 appointment is deserved, I think he is a good referee with talent as I said but I do question if he is ready for EURO. Again I appreciate that he has ability but like you say bmb he is not the finished article.

4O and an early round appearance I think he would do well. Even I concede he is probably not yet ready for the latter stages. If nothing else I'd love to see him there even as "just" a 4O, the experience he would gain would be fantastic.  Didn't they do similar with Turpin at a recentish tournament? His development since has been superb. Good to see him & Hategan working together more, with one as referee and the other as 4O, I think they will both benefit from it.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 15 Mar 2021 18:34
My comments earlier perhaps didn't fully reflect my position on Kovacs so just to clarify, I think his R16 appointment is deserved, I think he is a good referee with talent as I said but I do question if he is ready for EURO. Again I appreciate that he has ability but like you say bmb he is not the finished article.

4O and an early round appearance I think he would do well. Even I concede he is probably not yet ready for the latter stages. If nothing else I'd love to see him there even as "just" a 4O, the experience he would gain would be fantastic.  Didn't they do similar with Turpin at a recentish tournament? His development since has been superb. Good to see him & Hategan working together more, with one as referee and the other as 4O, I think they will both benefit from it.

Well thinking about it further assuming there are 18 refs attending I wonder which referees would push Kovacs out of that 18? I think it will be a tight call really, it is important to prime referees for future tournaments, Turpin attended EURO 2016 (probably being French helped) he did two group games I think and did very well, at the time he had done 5 CL games and no KO matches and look where he is now! So maybe it could indeed be a great springboard for Kovacs if he attends.

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Mon 15 Mar 2021 20:05
so no English involvement until the quarters
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 15 Mar 2021 20:16
I didn’t expect Karasev on the city game, and I think he is still a 50/50 shot for the Euros.
Not sure however if the observer is important for him? I’m sure Edy could clarify for us all.

I didn't expect Karasev. I also agree that his Euro spot is 50/50.

But I expected a more important observer (perhaps committee member) as in Kovacs case.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 15 Mar 2021 20:17
so no English involvement until the quarters

Since both Taylor and Oliver had a match last week, I wasn't expecting English officials now.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Fri 19 Mar 2021 11:45
The draw for the QFs has kept the 3 English teams apart.

    Manchester City v Borussia Dortmund
    Porto v Chelsea
    Bayern Munich v PSG
    Real Madrid v Liverpool

I wonder if Taylor is in with a chance of one of the 2 ties between BM and PSG?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Fri 19 Mar 2021 12:56
Only if UEFA prepared to let him have PSG 2 rounds running.
More likely shift over to Europa League
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Fri 19 Mar 2021 13:01
I would agree that EL is more probable....
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: dave26 on Fri 19 Mar 2021 16:00
The draw for the QFs has kept the 3 English teams apart.

    Manchester City v Borussia Dortmund
    Porto v Chelsea
    Bayern Munich v PSG
    Real Madrid v Liverpool

I wonder if Taylor is in with a chance of one of the 2 ties between BM and PSG?

I would say possibly

Man City vs Borussia Dortmund  Mateu Lahoz and Turpin
Porto vs Chelsea Brych and Makilelle
Bayern Munich vs PSG Oliver and Kuipers
Real Madrid vs Liverpool Orsato and Cakir   
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 19 Mar 2021 16:23
The draw for the QFs has kept the 3 English teams apart.

    Manchester City v Borussia Dortmund
    Porto v Chelsea
    Bayern Munich v PSG
    Real Madrid v Liverpool

I wonder if Taylor is in with a chance of one of the 2 ties between BM and PSG?

I would say possibly

Man City vs Borussia Dortmund  Mateu Lahoz and Turpin
Porto vs Chelsea Brych and Makilelle
Bayern Munich vs PSG Oliver and Kuipers
Real Madrid vs Liverpool Orsato and Cakir

It would be quite unfortunate if all the English teams made it through the 1/4 finals... that would make it impossible that we will see Oliver or Taylor again this season in the Champions League.

However, a really strong chance now that the EL final could head their way if Arsenal falter.

Incidentally, Kuipers has to be a lock for one of the Liverpool ties IMO.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Alex04 on Fri 19 Mar 2021 17:33


Incidentally, Kuipers has to be a lock for one of the Liverpool ties IMO.

I think Cakir is a lock for one of the Liverpool - Real Madrid games, not Kuipers. Kuipers refereed Real in the group stage, but Cakir didn't.
I personally think two of Orsato, Brych, Cakir will referee the two legs between Liverpool and Real.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Sun 21 Mar 2021 10:06
I can't see an English ref appointed to UEL until there is a pathway that doesn't have an English team involved.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sun 21 Mar 2021 10:38
I would suggest a first leg tie is possible
(Although why any referee would be stupid enough to engineer a result that may or may not be beneficial to a potential English team, if they also got through, is beyond me. Or that any team might use that as an excuse - only in football is that even talked about)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 04 Apr 2021 10:48
QF appointments (1st Leg)

06.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Liverpool FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Tobias Stieler (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Sascha Stegemann (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Fritz Stuchlik (AUT)
UEFA Delegate: Georges Lüchinger (LIE)

06.04.2021, 21:00 CET
City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester (ENG)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Borussia Dortmund (GER)
Referee: Ovidiu Haţegan (ROU)
Assistant Referee 1: Octavian Șovre (ROU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sebastian Gheorghe (ROU)
Fourth Official: István Kovács (ROU)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Kris Bellon (BEL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 05 Apr 2021 11:03
Wednesday 7th April
Bayern Munich vs Paris Saint-Germain
Referee: Antonio Mateu Lahoz (ESP)
Assistant Referee:Pau Cebrián Devís (ESP) , Roberto del Palomar (ESP)
Fourth Official: Xavier Estrada Fernandez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Alejandro Hernández (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)

UEFA Delegate: Christian Kofoed (DEN)
UEFA Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)

FC Porto vs Chelsea
Referee: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
Assistant Referee: Tomaž Klančnik (SVN) , Andraž Kovačič (SVN)
Fourth Official: Matej Jug (SVN)
Video Assistant Referee: Pawel Gil (POL)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL)

UEFA Delegate: Jacques Antenen (SUI)
UEFA Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 05 Apr 2021 11:30
Important observer for Lahoz in Munich. This is probably the end of any English representation in the CL this season.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Alex04 on Tue 06 Apr 2021 16:15
Lahoz with a huge week. Bayern vs PSG on wednesday and El Clasico on Saturday.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Wed 07 Apr 2021 19:52
very sad English refs are not going to be used anymore this season-would have ben fitting for 1 of our lot to get the psg/bayern 2nd leg or the showpieice final
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 11 Apr 2021 11:08
2nd leg appointments

13.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Ramón Sánchez-Pizjuán, Seville (ESP)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - FC Porto (POR)
Referee: Clément Turpin (FRA)
Assistant Referee 1: Nicolas Danos (FRA)
Assistant Referee 2: Cyril Gringore (FRA)
Fourth Official: Frank Schneider (FRA)
Video Assistant Referee: François Letexier (FRA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jérôme Brisard (FRA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Juan Antonio Fernández Marín (ESP)
UEFA Delegate: Steen Michael Dahrup (DEN)

13.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - FC Bayern München (GER)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Daniele Doveri (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: William Young (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Dennis Cruise (IRL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 11 Apr 2021 11:11
Both expected appointments for me.

Turpin had to get a QF ahead of Euro but gets the decided one. Pretty standard appointment.

Orsato for the repeat of last year's CL final. Not a surprise. Rosetti is known on favoring the Italians.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 11 Apr 2021 18:43
Both expected appointments for me.

Turpin had to get a QF ahead of Euro but gets the decided one. Pretty standard appointment.

Orsato for the repeat of last year's CL final. Not a surprise. Rosetti is known on favoring the Italians.

Cakir must have one of the other second leg ties one would think....

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: tomp on Mon 12 Apr 2021 09:21
Quarter Final 2nd legs:

14.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Anfield, Liverpool (ENG)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Anastasios Sidiropoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lutz-Michael Fröhlich (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (IRL)

14.04.2021, 21:00 CET
BVB Stadion, Dortmund (GER)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Claretman on Mon 12 Apr 2021 09:25
Quarter Final 2nd legs:

14.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Anfield, Liverpool (ENG)
Liverpool FC (ENG) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Anastasios Sidiropoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Lutz-Michael Fröhlich (GER)
UEFA Delegate: Peadar Ryan (IRL)

14.04.2021, 21:00 CET
BVB Stadion, Dortmund (GER)
Borussia Dortmund (GER) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Carlos del Cerro Grande (ESP)
Assistant Referee 1: Juan Carlos Yuste Jiménez (ESP)
Assistant Referee 2: Roberto Alonso Fernández (ESP)
Fourth Official: José María Sánchez Martínez (ESP)
Video Assistant Referee: Juan Martínez Munuera (ESP)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Ricardo de Burgos (ESP)
UEFA Referee Observer: Markus Nobs (SUI)
UEFA Delegate: Joăo Morais (POR)

Good, sensible and expected appointment for Kuipers.
Not sure the city hierarchy will be impressed by the Grande appointment.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Critics on Mon 12 Apr 2021 11:42
8th CL appointment for Kuipers this season. With his great performance, i believe there will be 9th.
Del Cerro Grande is also a uefa-favored one who totally deserves it but he is 45. I do hope he will be in Gdansk to ref EL Final if no Spanish team involved.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 12 Apr 2021 12:49
Personally i would have had Kuipers on the City game
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Alex04 on Mon 12 Apr 2021 14:56
but he is 45.

Really? He looks a lot younger, I thought he was about 40, max 42.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Mon 12 Apr 2021 15:05
but he is 45.

Really? He looks a lot younger, I thought he was about 40, max 42.

March 13, 1976

He was born on Clatt's 1st birthday!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 12 Apr 2021 16:01
Slightly surprised that Del Cerro Grande has a game, he does have history with Guardiola IIRC.

Fairly insignificant observers for them both.... that suggests that Rosetti has probably got in mind who he wants for the semi finals and final.

Cakir must be a lock for a semi now, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Orsato has the other, but if all the English sides perish then Taylor has a chance IMO.

The final... has to be Kuipers.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Alex04 on Mon 12 Apr 2021 16:15
Slightly surprised that Del Cerro Grande has a game, he does have history with Guardiola IIRC.

I am also surprised with Del Cerro getting a game.



The final... has to be Kuipers.

In my opinion Kuipers has a chance only if Real Madrid get to the final and Lahoz can't be the referee. Lahoz has a decent chance of getting it if he recovers from his muscle injury.
Obviously Kuipers is the better referee, but he already has a CL final under his belt.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: JCFC on Mon 12 Apr 2021 16:55


Fairly insignificant observers for them both....



Dear Herr Fröhlich and Herr Nobs,

I am so sorry to learn that you are fairly insignificant. I do hope that this knowledge will not blight your lives and that you will bear it with fortitude. After all, someone somewhere probably loves you!

Hochachtungsvoll,

JCFC
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:02
Cakir must be a lock for a semi now, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Orsato has the other, but if all the English sides perish then Taylor has a chance IMO.

The final... has to be Kuipers.

Given that there are only limited options since the real Elite is 10-12 referees Cakir should be a lock for a SF. Now if Bayern is out then Brych should have a match.

Turpin could also be an option with a good performance in Seville. Orsato could be the 4th name or Taylor if Dortmund eliminates Man. City.

For the final I would say Makkelie or Lahoz (if Real is out).
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ryan80 on Mon 12 Apr 2021 20:17
Cakir must be a lock for a semi now, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Orsato has the other, but if all the English sides perish then Taylor has a chance IMO.

The final... has to be Kuipers.

Given that there are only limited options since the real Elite is 10-12 referees Cakir should be a lock for a SF. Now if Bayern is out then Brych should have a match.

Turpin could also be an option with a good performance in Seville. Orsato could be the 4th name or Taylor if Dortmund eliminates Man. City.

For the final I would say Makkelie or Lahoz (if Real is out).

I thought Lahoz's appointment last week was a test for the final, one that he passed. 

For me:

If the final does not involve Real Madrid then Lahoz, Real Madrid v PSG - Taylor or Real Madrid v Anyone else - Turpin.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sat 24 Apr 2021 11:08
Rumor from the same source that confirmed Dean Kavanagh for Fa Cup Semis and Orsato for lasts years final and much more:
Madrid v Chelsea will be Cakir/Orsato
PSG v Man City will be Kuipers/Brych

Final should be Lahoz. Turpin apparently has a slight chance
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: greeny on Sat 24 Apr 2021 11:12
That would make a Real Madrid v PSG final a bit awkward...
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sat 24 Apr 2021 11:23
That would make a Real Madrid v PSG final a bit awkward...

Thats without those teams. Surely, if all those refs are in the semis, it has to be an English ref on the final. Probably Taylor
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: spk on Sun 25 Apr 2021 09:33
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 25 Apr 2021 10:29
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 25 Apr 2021 15:24
Expected appointment.

That leaves Brych for PSG/MCI and Kuipers with Cakir for the 2nd legs (Orsato is an outside bet).

Lahoz for the final if Real is out, or Makkelie again (like 2016 with Clatts) if RM is on the final. Outside bets would be Turpin and Taylor.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Hendo on Sun 25 Apr 2021 16:13
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......

And so much for your reliable “same source”, possibly even the same source which has started firm rumours in this site over the past number of years, with a success rate of about 6.3% 🤪
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 25 Apr 2021 16:38
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......

And so much for your reliable “same source”, possibly even the same source which has started firm rumours in this site over the past number of years, with a success rate of about 6.3% 🤪

No one saw him being a UCL candidate. I would've put him down as prime candidate for UEL final
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Hertsref123 on Sun 25 Apr 2021 20:16
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......

And so much for your reliable “same source”, possibly even the same source which has started firm rumours in this site over the past number of years, with a success rate of about 6.3% 🤪

No one saw him being a UCL candidate. I would've put him down as prime candidate for UEL final

He did it last yr tho
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 25 Apr 2021 20:18
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......

And so much for your reliable “same source”, possibly even the same source which has started firm rumours in this site over the past number of years, with a success rate of about 6.3% 🤪

No one saw him being a UCL candidate. I would've put him down as prime candidate for UEL final

He did it last yr tho

I know but you never know. With the teams left hes a safe candidate. I'd say the same for orsato in ucl
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Hertsref123 on Sun 25 Apr 2021 20:25
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......

And so much for your reliable “same source”, possibly even the same source which has started firm rumours in this site over the past number of years, with a success rate of about 6.3% 🤪

No one saw him being a UCL candidate. I would've put him down as prime candidate for UEL final

He did it last yr tho

I know but you never know. With the teams left hes a safe candidate. I'd say the same for orsato in ucl

I highly doubt uefa appoint the same referees two yrs running, theres enough suitable candidates for both finals, that that shouldn't be the case.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 25 Apr 2021 20:29
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......

And so much for your reliable “same source”, possibly even the same source which has started firm rumours in this site over the past number of years, with a success rate of about 6.3% 🤪

No one saw him being a UCL candidate. I would've put him down as prime candidate for UEL final

He did it last yr tho

I know but you never know. With the teams left hes a safe candidate. I'd say the same for orsato in ucl

I highly doubt uefa appoint the same referees two yrs running, theres enough suitable candidates for both finals, that that shouldn't be the case.

I know but I wouldn't be shocked. If u ask my personal opinion (no sources involved) I'd say if no Rmadrid involved then Lahoz,  if Rmadrid v Mancity then Turpin and then Rmadrid v Psg then Taylor.

UEL I'd say Turpin if not the UCL but if needed for the UCL then I'd say Taylor

I'd say Cakir will get 2nd Rmadrid v Chelsea

I'd say Kuipers and Orsato/Brych for PSG v Man City
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Claretman on Sun 25 Apr 2021 21:39
Good appointment for makkelie, hope all goes well for his team, congratulations to all appointed.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 25 Apr 2021 22:19
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......

And so much for your reliable “same source”, possibly even the same source which has started firm rumours in this site over the past number of years, with a success rate of about 6.3% 🤪

No one saw him being a UCL candidate. I would've put him down as prime candidate for UEL final

He did it last yr tho

I know but you never know. With the teams left hes a safe candidate. I'd say the same for orsato in ucl

I highly doubt uefa appoint the same referees two yrs running, theres enough suitable candidates for both finals, that that shouldn't be the case.

I know but I wouldn't be shocked. If u ask my personal opinion (no sources involved) I'd say if no Rmadrid involved then Lahoz,  if Rmadrid v Mancity then Turpin and then Rmadrid v Psg then Taylor.

UEL I'd say Turpin if not the UCL but if needed for the UCL then I'd say Taylor

I'd say Cakir will get 2nd Rmadrid v Chelsea

I'd say Kuipers and Orsato/Brych for PSG v Man City

I think that we may read Brych's name tomorrow.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 25 Apr 2021 22:20
27.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Estadio Alfredo Di Stéfano, Madrid (ESP)
Real Madrid CF (ESP) - Chelsea FC (ENG)
Referee: Danny Makkelie (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Jan de Vries (NED)
Fourth Official: Orel Grinfeeld (ISR)
Video Assistant Referee: Kevin Blom (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Jochem Kamphuis (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Marc Batta (FRA)
UEFA Delegate: Alojzije Šupraha (CRO)

Well that was unexpected......

And so much for your reliable “same source”, possibly even the same source which has started firm rumours in this site over the past number of years, with a success rate of about 6.3% 🤪

No one saw him being a UCL candidate. I would've put him down as prime candidate for UEL final

He did it last yr tho

I know but you never know. With the teams left hes a safe candidate. I'd say the same for orsato in ucl

I highly doubt uefa appoint the same referees two yrs running, theres enough suitable candidates for both finals, that that shouldn't be the case.

I know but I wouldn't be shocked. If u ask my personal opinion (no sources involved) I'd say if no Rmadrid involved then Lahoz,  if Rmadrid v Mancity then Turpin and then Rmadrid v Psg then Taylor.

UEL I'd say Turpin if not the UCL but if needed for the UCL then I'd say Taylor

I'd say Cakir will get 2nd Rmadrid v Chelsea

I'd say Kuipers and Orsato/Brych for PSG v Man City

I think that we may read Brych's name tomorrow.

Wouldnt be shocked. Him or Orsato. Kuipers on 2nd for a final CL outing this year in prep for Euros where he's the heavy favourite for the final
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: spk on Mon 26 Apr 2021 09:09
28.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: McDowell Zor (SVN)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 26 Apr 2021 10:21
Totally expected appointment.

Siebert as FO after his Euro selection. I guess his promotion is not far away.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 26 Apr 2021 10:21
28.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: McDowell Zor (SVN)

An expected appointment. With Makkelie getting a SF it certainly makes the final a tricky dilemma to predict with some conviction.

Personally, it’s a shootout between Mateu, Taylor and Cakir for the final depending on the way the semi finals pan out.

Kuipers and Orsato for the other semi final 2nd legs.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 26 Apr 2021 10:23
Totally expected appointment.

Siebert as FO after his Euro selection. I guess his promotion is not far away.

With Zwayer being demoted IMO.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 26 Apr 2021 10:40
Totally expected appointment.

Siebert as FO after his Euro selection. I guess his promotion is not far away.

With Zwayer being demoted IMO.

I would put my money on Aytekin being demoted.

If Kuipers and Orsato have the SF 2nd leg then Cakir could get his 2nd final. But knowing that Rosetti admires Kuipers and considers him the best UEFA official, then Kuipers could be out of the SF stage in order to get his 2nd final now that he is retiring.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Mon 26 Apr 2021 13:10
28.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: McDowell Zor (SVN)

An expected appointment. With Makkelie getting a SF it certainly makes the final a tricky dilemma to predict with some conviction.

Personally, it’s a shootout between Mateu, Taylor and Cakir for the final depending on the way the semi finals pan out.

Kuipers and Orsato for the other semi final 2nd legs.

With all due respect to our English elite referee, I'm not convinced Taylor has yet reached a level to be awarded the CL Final (and the same goes for Michael Oliver).  A second final for Kuipers or Cakir seems more likely, or failing that, perhaps Lahoz if RM are not involved, or Turpin if PSG lose to City in the SF.  I would have thought Lahoz and Turpin were ahead of Taylor in the pecking order but I bow to edy's knowledge on that.

Was surprised to find Kuipers and Cakir's Finals were back in2014 / 2015. How quickly the years pass.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 26 Apr 2021 13:26
28.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: McDowell Zor (SVN)

An expected appointment. With Makkelie getting a SF it certainly makes the final a tricky dilemma to predict with some conviction.

Personally, it’s a shootout between Mateu, Taylor and Cakir for the final depending on the way the semi finals pan out.

Kuipers and Orsato for the other semi final 2nd legs.

With all due respect to our English elite referee, I'm not convinced Taylor has yet reached a level to be awarded the CL Final (and the same goes for Michael Oliver).  A second final for Kuipers or Cakir seems more likely, or failing that, perhaps Lahoz if RM are not involved, or Turpin if PSG lose to City in the SF.  I would have thought Lahoz and Turpin were ahead of Taylor in the pecking order but I bow to edy's knowledge on that.

Was surprised to find Kuipers and Cakir's Finals were back in2014 / 2015. How quickly the years pass.

The only reason that Taylor is mentioned for the final apart from generally good season, is that there aren't many options left for UEFA. Lahoz is the prime candidate if RM is out (actually he should have had the final last year instead of Orsato). Turpin and Taylor are the alternatives IF UEFA doesn't want to give the final to a referee who already had it. IMO neither Turpin nor Taylor are now on CL final level but I believe that it's the last thing that matters.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Mon 26 Apr 2021 14:06
28.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: McDowell Zor (SVN)

An expected appointment. With Makkelie getting a SF it certainly makes the final a tricky dilemma to predict with some conviction.

Personally, it’s a shootout between Mateu, Taylor and Cakir for the final depending on the way the semi finals pan out.

Kuipers and Orsato for the other semi final 2nd legs.

With all due respect to our English elite referee, I'm not convinced Taylor has yet reached a level to be awarded the CL Final (and the same goes for Michael Oliver).  A second final for Kuipers or Cakir seems more likely, or failing that, perhaps Lahoz if RM are not involved, or Turpin if PSG lose to City in the SF.  I would have thought Lahoz and Turpin were ahead of Taylor in the pecking order but I bow to edy's knowledge on that.

Was surprised to find Kuipers and Cakir's Finals were back in2014 / 2015. How quickly the years pass.

IMO Kuipers will get the Euros final and cant see him being put on both, i know it has happened before with Clattenburg, and tbf he deserves it. If PSG get knocked out it will be Turpin, if Madrid get knocked out it will be Lahoz or Cakir will get his second final.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Mon 26 Apr 2021 16:51
28.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: McDowell Zor (SVN)

An expected appointment. With Makkelie getting a SF it certainly makes the final a tricky dilemma to predict with some conviction.

Personally, it’s a shootout between Mateu, Taylor and Cakir for the final depending on the way the semi finals pan out.

Kuipers and Orsato for the other semi final 2nd legs.

With all due respect to our English elite referee, I'm not convinced Taylor has yet reached a level to be awarded the CL Final (and the same goes for Michael Oliver).  A second final for Kuipers or Cakir seems more likely, or failing that, perhaps Lahoz if RM are not involved, or Turpin if PSG lose to City in the SF.  I would have thought Lahoz and Turpin were ahead of Taylor in the pecking order but I bow to edy's knowledge on that.

Was surprised to find Kuipers and Cakir's Finals were back in2014 / 2015. How quickly the years pass.

IMO Kuipers will get the Euros final and cant see him being put on both, i know it has happened before with Clattenburg, and tbf he deserves it. If PSG get knocked out it will be Turpin, if Madrid get knocked out it will be Lahoz or Cakir will get his second final.

Who knows. We could get a shock from someone we haven't mentioned. I can't think of who that could be though
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Mon 26 Apr 2021 23:29
Funny how when the UCL comes to the pointy end Oliver goes missing, despite getting full support after his previous semi- final.
Zwayer still not recovered from his bust up with Brych as his 4th official.
As for predictions both Cakir and Kuipers have already done a UCL final I would love to see one get a second final.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Wed 28 Apr 2021 19:45
turpin-europa league final

kuipers-champions league final




Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Wed 28 Apr 2021 21:57
turpin-europa league final

kuipers-champions league final

Id say kuipers on Euros. Lahoz in UCL. Turpin in UEL.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Wed 28 Apr 2021 22:01
2 ten out of ten performances from 2 of the finest refs this week. Makellie is definitely the successor of the Dutch throne when Kuipers retires and has an outside chance of this years final. Brych had excellent control over the game tonight and got all major descions correct

Now onto the 2nd legs. Let's face it- the obvious choices surely have to be Kuipers at the Etihad and Cakir at Stamford Bridge. Orsato possibly with an outside chance of the game at the bridge.

Lahoz on the final still for me. If Madrid are in the final which I personally don't think they will be, it'll be Turpin. If Madrid and Paris are in final, very unlikely though, I'd have to say Makellie or even now with a 1 percent chance Taylor, or maybe even a complete outsider
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Wed 28 Apr 2021 22:03
2 ten out of ten performances from 2 of the finest refs this week. Makellie is definitely the successor of the Dutch throne when Kuipers retires and has an outside chance of this years final. Brych had excellent control over the game tonight and got all major descions correct

Now onto the 2nd legs. Let's face it- the obvious choices surely have to be Kuipers at the Etihad and Cakir at Stamford Bridge. Orsato possibly with an outside chance of the game at the bridge.

Lahoz on the final still for me. If Madrid are in the final which I personally don't think they will be, it'll be Turpin. If Madrid and Paris are in final, very unlikely though, I'd have to say Makellie or even now with a 1 percent chance Taylor, or maybe even a complete outsider

I do feel however that they may have someone else in mind since 3 of the leading 4 candidates have teams from their country in the Semis
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: spk on Sun 02 May 2021 09:05
04.05.2021, 21:00 CET
City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester (ENG)
Manchester City FC (ENG) - Paris Saint-Germain (FRA)
Referee: Björn Kuipers (NED)
Assistant Referee 1: Sander van Roekel (NED)
Assistant Referee 2: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
Fourth Official: Anastasios Sidiropoulos (GRE)
Video Assistant Referee: Pol van Boekel (NED)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Dennis Higler (NED)
UEFA Referee Observer: Alfredo Trentalange (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: Ronald Zimmermann (GER)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sun 02 May 2021 10:43
Kuipers on SF 2nd leg, which I know does not completely rule him out of final, but likely too
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 02 May 2021 11:21
Expected. Cakir or Orsato (most likely Cakir) at the Bridge before Lahoz in the final I'd say since Real Madrid look like they may go out. Turpin as backup in my opinion
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 02 May 2021 11:22
Expected. Cakir or Orsato (most likely Cakir) at the Bridge before Lahoz in the final I'd say since Real Madrid look like they may go out. Turpin as backup in my opinion

I'd agree other than I think Orsato is more likely.

On the final I'm not sure Turpin is ready yet. If Madrid make the final I'm not sure who will get the appointment.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Sun 02 May 2021 12:24
28.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: McDowell Zor (SVN)

An expected appointment. With Makkelie getting a SF it certainly makes the final a tricky dilemma to predict with some conviction.

Personally, it’s a shootout between Mateu, Taylor and Cakir for the final depending on the way the semi finals pan out.

Kuipers and Orsato for the other semi final 2nd legs.

1/3 so far!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 02 May 2021 12:34
28.04.2021, 21:00 CET
Parc des Princes, Paris (FRA)
Paris Saint-Germain (FRA) - Manchester City FC (ENG)
Referee: Felix Brych (GER)
Assistant Referee 1: Mark Borsch (GER)
Assistant Referee 2: Stefan Lupp (GER)
Fourth Official: Daniel Siebert (GER)
Video Assistant Referee: Marco Fritz (GER)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Bastian Dankert (GER)
UEFA Referee Observer: Roberto Rosetti (ITA)
UEFA Delegate: McDowell Zor (SVN)

An expected appointment. With Makkelie getting a SF it certainly makes the final a tricky dilemma to predict with some conviction.

Personally, it’s a shootout between Mateu, Taylor and Cakir for the final depending on the way the semi finals pan out.

Kuipers and Orsato for the other semi final 2nd legs.

1/3 so far!

I wouldn't be surprised with 3/3!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 02 May 2021 14:06
With Kuipers on the SF and possibly Cakir on the other one, I struggle to find another alternative for the final after Lahoz. Perhaps Orsato could get the other SF, keeping Cakir for the final as a back-up. However Cakir's reputation inside UEFA isn't as high as in the past.

That leaves Taylor and Turpin as alternatives, even though neither is ready. A real dilemma.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 02 May 2021 14:09
With Kuipers on the SF and possibly Cakir on the other one, I struggle to find another alternative for the final after Lahoz. Perhaps Orsato could get the other SF, keeping Cakir for the final as a back-up. However Cakir's reputation inside UEFA isn't as high as in the past.

That leaves Taylor and Turpin as alternatives, even though neither is ready. A real dilemma.

If Madrid make final it will certainly be interesting
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Sun 02 May 2021 14:59
With Kuipers on the SF and possibly Cakir on the other one, I struggle to find another alternative for the final after Lahoz. Perhaps Orsato could get the other SF, keeping Cakir for the final as a back-up. However Cakir's reputation inside UEFA isn't as high as in the past.

That leaves Taylor and Turpin as alternatives, even though neither is ready. A real dilemma.

Turpin more ready than Taylor IMO. I agree though neither choice ideal.

I would favour Cakir or even Orsato getting a second final. Is Makkelie an option? I bet Rosetti is hoping RM don't make the final!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Sun 02 May 2021 16:15
With Kuipers on the SF and possibly Cakir on the other one, I struggle to find another alternative for the final after Lahoz. Perhaps Orsato could get the other SF, keeping Cakir for the final as a back-up. However Cakir's reputation inside UEFA isn't as high as in the past.

That leaves Taylor and Turpin as alternatives, even though neither is ready. A real dilemma.

Turpin more ready than Taylor IMO. I agree though neither choice ideal.

I would favour Cakir or even Orsato getting a second final. Is Makkelie an option? I bet Rosetti is hoping RM don't make the final!

The problem with Turpin is that he didn't have any so-called big match this season (the exception is ATM-BAY). So it's risky to appoint him to the final.

I am certain that Rosetti has planned Lahoz for the final. Makkelie could be an option in case RM goes through.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Boz on Sun 02 May 2021 16:39
If Man City do make the final, are past issues between Mr Lahoz and Guardiola likely to be a consideration in the appointment?
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Sun 02 May 2021 16:42
If Man City do make the final, are past issues between Mr Lahoz and Guardiola likely to be a consideration in the appointment?

Doubt it considering they gave Cerro Grande the QF
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 03 May 2021 09:13
05.05.2021, 21:00 CET
Stamford Bridge, London (ENG)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Mon 03 May 2021 09:16
So Cakir is out of the SF stage which is not a surprise. He could be in EL tomorrow.

Irrati on the VAR room. Not the best choice IMO.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: referee12 on Mon 03 May 2021 10:29
all eyes will be on who gets the showpiece final
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Mon 03 May 2021 11:31
So Cakir is out of the SF stage which is not a surprise. He could be in EL tomorrow.

Irrati on the VAR room. Not the best choice IMO.

Cakir being held back in case RM make the final, or his standing in UEFA not what it once was? Maybe a bit of both...

Expected appointment for Orsato. I guess it all hinges on if RM get through now.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Mon 03 May 2021 13:54
05.05.2021, 21:00 CET
Stamford Bridge, London (ENG)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)

Interesting
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Leggy on Mon 03 May 2021 14:11
05.05.2021, 21:00 CET
Stamford Bridge, London (ENG)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)

Interesting

Local
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Mon 03 May 2021 14:22
05.05.2021, 21:00 CET
Stamford Bridge, London (ENG)
Chelsea FC (ENG) - Real Madrid CF (ESP)
Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
Assistant Referee 1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
Assistant Referee 2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)
Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
Assistant Video Assistant Referee: Marco Guida (ITA)
UEFA Referee Observer: Hugh Dallas (SCO)
UEFA Delegate: Thibault De Gendt (BEL)

Interesting

Local

Cakir must be the backup for final
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 03 May 2021 16:44
2/3 for me! lol
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Tue 04 May 2021 20:58
I don't know what Kuipers was thinking giving a pen there. Good thing for Var is this situation
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Tue 04 May 2021 21:34
Kuipers has really been world class since the earlier error. Great spot for red card and then dealt with the whole Veratti Forden, Zinchenko incident very well
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Wed 05 May 2021 13:10
Kuipers in trouble over allegedly swearing at PSG PLAYERS

(Iv'e edited this post as they are currently only allegations-hertsref)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: badref on Wed 05 May 2021 20:50
I've noticed a few are suggesting Cakir may be backup for the final. My question in response would be, is a referee allowed to officiate the final twice? As he has already reffed the 2015 final....

Looking at historical appointments, at first glance I can't spot anyone refereeing the final twice? I'm sure someone will prove me wrong though!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Wed 05 May 2021 20:51
I've noticed a few are suggesting Cakir may be backup for the final. My question in response would be, is a referee allowed to officiate the final twice? As he has already reffed the 2015 final....

Looking at historical appointments, at first glance I can't spot anyone refereeing the final twice? I'm sure someone will prove me wrong though!

Real haven't a hope of going through at this rate. Lahoz looks certain for the final. His style will keep the 2 english teams in line!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: DublinRef on Wed 05 May 2021 20:52
I've noticed a few are suggesting Cakir may be backup for the final. My question in response would be, is a referee allowed to officiate the final twice? As he has already reffed the 2015 final....

Looking at historical appointments, at first glance I can't spot anyone refereeing the final twice? I'm sure someone will prove me wrong though!

Kuipers I believe did the EL final twice so while I think it is very unlikely, it is probably possible Cakir can referee this years CL final.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Wed 05 May 2021 21:13
I've noticed a few are suggesting Cakir may be backup for the final. My question in response would be, is a referee allowed to officiate the final twice? As he has already reffed the 2015 final....

Looking at historical appointments, at first glance I can't spot anyone refereeing the final twice? I'm sure someone will prove me wrong though!

Concetto Lo Bello refereed the European Cup Final twice, in 1968 and 1970, but I don't think anyone has refereed that Final or the CL Final twice since then.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Wed 05 May 2021 22:08
I've noticed a few are suggesting Cakir may be backup for the final. My question in response would be, is a referee allowed to officiate the final twice? As he has already reffed the 2015 final....

Looking at historical appointments, at first glance I can't spot anyone refereeing the final twice? I'm sure someone will prove me wrong though!

Real haven't a hope of going through at this rate. Lahoz looks certain for the final. His style will keep the 2 english teams in line!

Chelsea v Man City it is. Congrats to both English teams
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Thu 06 May 2021 07:34
Lahoz for the final, although Cakir could get it bearing in mind the final is in Turkey.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Wollongong Ref on Thu 06 May 2021 12:01
I am pretty sure UEFA's rules don't allow a referee to ref in their country. If that is the case Cakir is out.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: ryan80 on Thu 06 May 2021 19:45
I am not sure that Cakir is actual regarded all that highly by UEFA, he has not been part of the later parts of the Europa league / champions league.  It is 99% certain that lahoz will get the final.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Thu 06 May 2021 22:33
Lahoz seems the obvious bet but I do wonder if Rosetti will surprises us by giving it to Del Cerro Grande.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Thu 06 May 2021 22:37
Lahoz seems the obvious bet but I do wonder if Rosetti will surprises us by giving it to Del Cerro Grande.

He was awful for Roma against Utd so I'd say no. Makellie and Turpin the outsider bets
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 07 May 2021 17:15
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Fri 07 May 2021 17:21
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.

Has to be in UK. Wembley or Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is best suitable. Even Villa Park will do just to get it to England. London Stadium maybe as well. Now opens Cakir to final if they move it
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: rustyref on Fri 07 May 2021 17:22
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.

Not just the fans, players can't travel to red countries.  That's why previously games due to be in Portugal involving English teams had to be moved to neutral countries.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: rustyref on Fri 07 May 2021 17:23
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.

Now opens Cakir to final if they move it

Only if he is happy to quarantine in a hotel for 10 days before.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Fri 07 May 2021 17:25
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...
 

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.

Not just the fans, players can't travel to red countries.  That's why previously games due to be in Portugal involving English teams had to be moved to neutral countries.


It'll have to move to UK. Or a safe country. I'm in Ireland so I'm not up to date on UK situation so could yous see any other countries being used
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Fri 07 May 2021 17:25
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.

Now opens Cakir to final if they move it

Only if he is happy to quarantine in a hotel for 10 days before.

Well someone will have to
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 07 May 2021 17:27
The only other country available would be Portugal......
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Fri 07 May 2021 17:30
The only other country available would be Portugal......

Looks like UK then. Would work well for Lahoz with Portugal though!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: rustyref on Fri 07 May 2021 17:58
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.

Now opens Cakir to final if they move it

Only if he is happy to quarantine in a hotel for 10 days before.

Well someone will have to

No they won't.  There's an exemption for professional sports for amber countries, but not red ones.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 07 May 2021 18:23
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.

Has to be in UK. Wembley or Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is best suitable. Even Villa Park will do just to get it to England. London Stadium maybe as well. Now opens Cakir to final if they move it

The CL final is the same day as the EFL championship play off final....

Dilemma!

Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Fri 07 May 2021 18:26
Turkey added to red list so no fans for the CL final...

UEFA need to grow a pair of b***s and play it here in England, at Wembley.... end of.

Has to be in UK. Wembley or Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is best suitable. Even Villa Park will do just to get it to England. London Stadium maybe as well. Now opens Cakir to final if they move it

The CL final is the same day as the EFL championship play off final....

Dilemma!

Ooh hadn't realised! We now have an interesting topic of conversation!
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: rustyref on Fri 07 May 2021 18:28
Old Trafford, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, Emirates, St James Park, not as if we have a shortage of top quality stadiums in England.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Fri 07 May 2021 18:32
Old Trafford, Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, Emirates, St James Park, not as if we have a shortage of top quality stadiums in England.

Its an interesting conversation tho
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Mackem ref on Sat 08 May 2021 08:13
Stadium of Light is a decent stadium too - don’t discount it just because the team that play there aren’t 🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Sat 08 May 2021 08:40
Stadium of Light is a decent stadium too - don’t discount it just because the team that play there aren’t 🤣🤣🤣

Other way around at Selhurst Park
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: RCG on Sat 08 May 2021 12:44
National Stadium at Cardiff or Hamden Park 😋
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GingerReferee on Wed 12 May 2021 16:27
2021 UEFA Champions League final refereeing team

Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (Spain)

Assistants: Pau Cebrián Devis, Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (both Spain)

4th official: Carlos del Cerro Grande (Spain)

VAR: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (Spain)

VAR Assistants: Juan Martínez Munuera, Íńigo Prieto López de Cerain (both Spain), Pawel Gil (Poland)
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: GameDay2021 on Wed 12 May 2021 16:55
2021 UEFA Champions League final refereeing team

Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (Spain)

Assistants: Pau Cebrián Devis, Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (both Spain)

4th official: Carlos del Cerro Grande (Spain)

VAR: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (Spain)

VAR Assistants: Juan Martínez Munuera, Íńigo Prieto López de Cerain (both Spain), Pawel Gil (Poland)

As expected. Congrats to Lahoz for receiving a long overdue final
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Hertsref123 on Wed 12 May 2021 17:04
No surprises with this appointment or the europa league appointment, congratulations to all involved.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: bmb on Wed 12 May 2021 17:18
2021 UEFA Champions League final refereeing team

Referee: Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz (Spain)

Assistants: Pau Cebrián Devis, Roberto Díaz Pérez del Palomar (both Spain)

4th official: Carlos del Cerro Grande (Spain)

VAR: Alejandro José Hernández Hernández (Spain)

VAR Assistants: Juan Martínez Munuera, Íńigo Prieto López de Cerain (both Spain), Pawel Gil (Poland)

Congratulations to Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz & his team
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Claretman on Wed 12 May 2021 17:28
Congratulations to mr lahoz and team, a well deserved appointment, hope everything goes well for them.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Ref Fan on Wed 12 May 2021 18:44
Yes, congratulations to Lahoz and team and wish them well for the Final.

I wonder whether we'll see the smiling figure who has a good rapport with the players, or the strict disciplinarian brandishing yellow cards with relish.
Personally, I enjoy watching him referee but I gather City fans are not overjoyed at his appointment after a certain CL game against Liverpool in 2018.
 
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: Gorgeous George on Thu 13 May 2021 11:06
Fantastic appointment. Top referee. Always enjoyed watching his games. Should make for a great final
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Thu 13 May 2021 11:25
Expected and deserved appointment for Lahoz. He was very good on BAY-PSG and SRB-SCO.

He should have the final last year but Rosetti decided to give it to Orsato.
Title: Re: UEFA Champions League 2020/2021 appointments
Post by: edy on Thu 13 May 2021 13:13
UEFA Champions League final to move to Portugal to allow 6,000 fans of each team to attend

Thursday 13 May 2021

Porto chosen to replace Istanbul following insurmountable travel difficulties for English fans as a result of Turkey being placed on UK’s ‘red list’

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0269-1243f864391e-53c7874f0ae0-1000--champions-league-final-moved-to-portugal-to-allow-6-000-fans-of/