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Title: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: aaa on Wed 10 Jun 2020 16:45
League 2

Thu 18th Jun 2020
Colchester United FC (First Team) v Exeter City FC (First Team)
Football League 2    
Referee: Smith, Joshua
Assistant Referee: Webb, Michael
Assistant Referee: Da Costa, Anthony
Fourth Official: Pollard, Christopher
Reserve Assistant Referee: Butler, Stuart

Northampton Town FC (First Team) v Cheltenham Town FC (First Team)
Football League 2    
Referee: Edwards, Marc
Assistant Referee: Fitch-Jackson, Carl
Assistant Referee: Clayton, Alan
Fourth Official: Drysdale, Darren
Reserve Assistant Referee: Karaivanov, Hristo

Mon 22nd Jun 2020
Cheltenham Town FC (First Team) v Northampton Town FC (First Team)
Football League 2    
Referee: Doughty, Leigh
Assistant Referee: Gill, Bhupinder
Assistant Referee: Smith, Wade
Fourth Official: Yates, Ollie
Reserve Assistant Referee: Amphlett, Marvyn

Exeter City FC (First Team) v Colchester United FC (First Team)
Football League 2    
Referee: Breakspear, Charles
Assistant Referee: Flynn, John
Assistant Referee: Taylor, Craig
Fourth Official: Busby, John
Reserve Assistant Referee: Laver, Andrew
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: SuffolkRef on Wed 10 Jun 2020 17:09
Interesting that three first year EFL referees have been appointed there.

Good to see that there are different kick off times to allow people to watch all four if required.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 10 Jun 2020 17:22
Good to see reserve assistants being used as well as a precaution.

The card shark from Surrey has an early chance to flash his red card in the play offs 😂😂😂
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: RCG on Wed 10 Jun 2020 18:07
Congrats to all appointed especially Anthony and Craig.

Hope all goes well
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Mackem ref on Wed 10 Jun 2020 18:32
Huge congratulations to all appointee, especially the 3 first year referees who are clearly being rewarded for having an excellent season. Marc Edwards’ appointments (including an FA Cup 4th round tie!) show he’s started his EFL career superbly and I have heard good things about Leigh Doughty, suggesting he is a future candidate for SG2! Not heard so much about Josh Smith!
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: RCG on Fri 12 Jun 2020 07:37
Given Matthew Jones' involvement in PL game, albeit as RAR, could he be in line for one of the lines on the final?
Referee for the final - Kevin Johnson?
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Readingfan on Fri 12 Jun 2020 10:07
Good to see some appointments to discuss again!

I'm surprised none of the three referees who had trial games just before Christms are involved - maybe one of those for the final?
 
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Mackem ref on Fri 12 Jun 2020 16:53
My guess for the final would be one of the 3 trialists (most likely Salisbury Jnr) or John Busby.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: TVOS on Fri 12 Jun 2020 17:17
Good to see some appointments to discuss again!

I'm surprised none of the three referees who had trial games just before Christms are involved - maybe one of those for the final?

Or maybe they'll be involved in League One?
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Readingfan on Fri 12 Jun 2020 17:34
Good to see some appointments to discuss again!

I'm surprised none of the three referees who had trial games just before Christms are involved - maybe one of those for the final?

Or maybe they'll be involved in League One?

Possibly. SG2 referees normally handle those but obviously the Championship has often finished by that point whereas this season it will still be very much ongoing so who knows.

Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: SuffolkRef on Fri 12 Jun 2020 17:51
Good to see some appointments to discuss again!

I'm surprised none of the three referees who had trial games just before Christms are involved - maybe one of those for the final?

Or maybe they'll be involved in League One?

Possibly. SG2 referees normally handle those but obviously the Championship has often finished by that point whereas this season it will still be very much ongoing so who knows.

I think that it would make sense not to use the SG2 officials.  The League One play offs are on the Friday 3rd and Monday 6th July and at that stage there will be midweek and weekend fixtures in the Championship.  The SG2 officials will be stretched covering the Championship, PL (board duties, VAR or the rumoured middles).
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Fri 12 Jun 2020 19:13
Huge congratulations to all appointee, especially the 3 first year referees who are clearly being rewarded for having an excellent season. Marc Edwards’ appointments (including an FA Cup 4th round tie!) show he’s started his EFL career superbly and I have heard good things about Leigh Doughty, suggesting he is a future candidate for SG2! Not heard so much about Josh Smith!

Josh came in for a lot of stick on this site with one of his first appointments at (I think) PLymouth, and it is good that he has obviously put this behind him and had a good season, leading to this playoff appointment. I wish all the officials well.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Readingfan on Fri 12 Jun 2020 22:18
Good to see some appointments to discuss again!

I'm surprised none of the three referees who had trial games just before Christms are involved - maybe one of those for the final?

Or maybe they'll be involved in League One?

Possibly. SG2 referees normally handle those but obviously the Championship has often finished by that point whereas this season it will still be very much ongoing so who knows.

I think that it would make sense not to use the SG2 officials.  The League One play offs are on the Friday 3rd and Monday 6th July and at that stage there will be midweek and weekend fixtures in the Championship.  The SG2 officials will be stretched covering the Championship, PL (board duties, VAR or the rumoured middles).

Personally I think that L1 play-offs are more important than PL FOs. There's only the 12 Championship matches in any one round so there should be plenty of SG2 officials to cover both. I certainly think it's happened before that the L1 play-off semi finals have taken place when the PL/Championship have still been ongoing but that hasn't meant non-SG2 referees being appointed.

Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Whistleblower on Tue 16 Jun 2020 22:31
I would have expected to see James Oldham in the mix somewhere...and perhaps we still shall.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: greeny on Thu 18 Jun 2020 20:02
Alan Clayton has got injured after 10 minutes at Northampton - Hristo Karaivanov coming on in his place.  The flag and comms kit have been disinfected on the handover.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: RCG on Fri 19 Jun 2020 07:13
2 things spring to mind:

Firstly, I think we may see a bit of this both with players and officials going from training straight into high adrenaline game. Not like any of them have had any sort of "pre season"

Secondly, the relief on Drysdale's face when he remembered there was a reserve Assistant, as I think it would be well over 15 years since he last ran a line
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Mon 22 Jun 2020 22:33
Only three cards from Breakspear.... perhaps he is mellowing. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: aaa on Tue 23 Jun 2020 14:24
Finals at Wembley – Mon 29th Jun 2020

Exeter City FC (First Team) v Northampton Town FC (First Team)
Football League 2    
Referee: Salisbury, Michael
Assistant Referee: Byrne, George
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Doughty, Leigh
Reserve Assistant Referee: Aspinall, Natalie
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: SuffolkRef on Tue 23 Jun 2020 14:39
Finals at Wembley – Mon 29th Jun 2020

Exeter City FC (First Team) v Northampton Town FC (First Team)
Football League 2    
Referee: Salisbury, Michael
Assistant Referee: Byrne, George
Assistant Referee: Jones, Matthew
Fourth Official: Doughty, Leigh
Reserve Assistant Referee: Aspinall, Natalie

A good call on the SG2 thread from Mackem Ref that last weekend's officiating team at Reading would be the League 2 Play Off final appointments.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 23 Jun 2020 15:15
Well done to all
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: bmb on Tue 23 Jun 2020 15:37
Congratulations to them all
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: JCFC on Tue 23 Jun 2020 15:57
Yes indeed, congratulations!

60% from Lancashire - and a fairly restricted area of Lancashire at that!
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Hertsref123 on Tue 23 Jun 2020 16:34
congrats to all, I think Salisbury is well on his way to promotion now.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Mackem ref on Tue 23 Jun 2020 17:17
Congratulations to Salisbury on an excellent season - promotion will follow soon in my opinion. Also congratulations to the other officials, especially Doughty who seems one to watch out for!!
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: QuoCob on Wed 24 Jun 2020 13:04
Well done to all who have been appointed. Hopefully they will have a good game, it's worth a lot money to the winners.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: exref_fromOZ on Fri 26 Jun 2020 06:29
Congratulations to Michael and the team for the League 2 Play-off final.

Curious that there are no announcement of appointments for League 1 play-offs. I can't seem to find them. Does anyone know who is officiating the two legs?
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: TVOS on Fri 26 Jun 2020 16:15
Congratulations to Michael and the team for the League 2 Play-off final.

Curious that there are no announcement of appointments for League 1 play-offs. I can't seem to find them. Does anyone know who is officiating the two legs?

They'll come out on Monday. The games aren't until the end of next week.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: emu80 on Mon 29 Jun 2020 16:39

any idea when we will get these appointments and who the contenders are ???
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: SuffolkRef on Mon 29 Jun 2020 18:36

any idea when we will get these appointments and who the contenders are ???

The SG1 and SG2 appointments have been appearing here on Tuesdays since the return.

Andy Woolmer must be a strong contender based on the weekend and the previous couple of seasons.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Hendo on Mon 29 Jun 2020 20:15

any idea when we will get these appointments and who the contenders are ???

The SG1 and SG2 appointments have been appearing here on Tuesdays since the return.

Andy Woolmer must be a strong contender based on the weekend and the previous couple of seasons.

Sorry, can’t work out if this is a joke or deadly serious comment. Given Woolmers handling of the 22 man brawl at the weekend I hope it’s the former
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: SuffolkRef on Mon 29 Jun 2020 21:44

any idea when we will get these appointments and who the contenders are ???

The SG1 and SG2 appointments have been appearing here on Tuesdays since the return.

Andy Woolmer must be a strong contender based on the weekend and the previous couple of seasons.

Sorry, can’t work out if this is a joke or deadly serious comment. Given Woolmers handling of the 22 man brawl at the weekend I hope it’s the former

Probably on the same basis that Roger East was a Championship play off semi final regular.  Mr Woolmer should be nowhere near those matches.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: The Lino on Mon 29 Jun 2020 23:04
Andy Woolmer handled Portsmouth's play off 1st leg at Sunderland last year and was poor on the night. There was discussion on this forum at that stage that said he was a terrible choice for the game and had probably only got it through longevity and so it proved to be. As a Pompey fan I'm hoping for someone much better this year.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: aaa on Tue 30 Jun 2020 12:11
League 1

Fri 3rd Jul 2020
Fleetwood Town FC (First Team) v Wycombe Wanderers FC (First Team)
Football League 1    
Referee: Harrington, Tony
Assistant Referee: Hodskinson, Paul
Assistant Referee: Dermott, Philip
Fourth Official: Eltringham, Geoff
Reserve Assistant Referee: Aspinall, Natalie

Portsmouth FC (First Team) v Oxford United (First Team)
Football League 1    
Referee: Ward, Gavin
Assistant Referee: Lugg, Nigel
Assistant Referee: Waters, Adrian
Fourth Official: Breakspear, Charles
Reserve Assistant Referee: Flynn, John

Mon 6th Jul 2020
Oxford United (First Team) v Portsmouth FC (First Team)
Football League 1    
Referee: England, Darren
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Assistant Referee: Wild, Richard
Fourth Official: Donohue, Matthew Johnson, Kevin
Reserve Assistant Referee: Gill, Bhupinder

Wycombe Wanderers FC (First Team) v Fleetwood Town FC (First Team)
Football League 1    
Referee: Bond, Darren
Assistant Referee: Fox, Andrew
Assistant Referee: Kane, Graham
Fourth Official: Smith, Joshua
Reserve Assistant Referee: Webb, Michael
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: ajb95 on Tue 30 Jun 2020 12:36
Good appointments I think all 4 have had good seasons. I would guess jones or robinson for the final then
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: RCG on Tue 30 Jun 2020 12:57
Interesting that Josh and Charlie are 4ths
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: QuoCob on Tue 30 Jun 2020 13:48
Well done to all who have been appointed. Hopefully they will have a good game, it's worth a lot money to the winners.  ;) ;D

Michael Salisbury last night appeared to miss or ignore quite a few things however he got the red card correct.  A cowardly assault on a player who wasn't expecting anything, therefore unable to 'ride the tackle'.  Fortunate that the player wasn't more seriously injured.  We won 4-0, if anyone didn't see us?  ;D
Looking forward once again to trudging around the League One grounds of the country.  8)
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: JohnCoyle on Wed 01 Jul 2020 16:08
Well done to all who have been appointed. Hopefully they will have a good game, it's worth a lot money to the winners.  ;) ;D

Michael Salisbury last night appeared to miss or ignore quite a few things however he got the red card correct.  A cowardly assault on a player who wasn't expecting anything, therefore unable to 'ride the tackle'.  Fortunate that the player wasn't more seriously injured.  We won 4-0, if anyone didn't see us?  ;D
Looking forward once again to trudging around the League One grounds of the country.  8)

I agree- there was a challenge leading up to the red card (correct) which should have resulted in a free kick and a yellow card. I think the red card was a product of frustration and I wonder how many referees these days can pick this kind of thing building up and take action to cool things down. Not enough, I fear.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Left Field on Wed 01 Jul 2020 19:36
This is a very good point. I haven't seen this incident so can't comment on it but a lot of red cards result from players who have been "niggled" and sometimes seriously fouled or provoked (sometimes verbally), either off the ball or on the ball without the officials noticing. The actual red card may be quite justified but actually avoidable if the provocation had been noticed. I agree that too often the unsettling of the ultimately sanctioned player is missed. The best and most alert referees and assistants are very adept at preventing these sorts of build-ups and this helps prevent a lot of cards. Red and yellow cards also often result from the officials in general missing foul play and therefore players "taking matters into their own hands". In refereeing as in life the most alert custodians avoid having to take disciplinary action because those under their supervision know that any wrong-doing will be spotted and acted on and sometimes even a look or a word at an initial offence - or potential offence - prevents further offending.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: QuoCob on Thu 02 Jul 2020 10:50
The 'incident' referred to was in the same phase of the red card offence and involved a different player, it didn't directly contribute to the ultimate sanction offence.  Therefore the 'niggly' excuse didn't come into play.  It wasn't really in line with how the rest of the game was being played and I didn't detect a build up of frustration, I think that Exeter had given up by then anyway.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 03 Jul 2020 22:29
Didn’t realise that Harrington uses a circle red card. Twice brandished at Fleetwood tonight...
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: aaa on Tue 07 Jul 2020 14:55
Final

Mon 13th Jul 2020
Oxford United (First Team) v Wycombe Wanderers FC (First Team)
Football League 1    
Referee: Jones, Robert
Assistant Referee: Wood, Timothy
Assistant Referee: Mainwaring, James
Fourth Official: Ward, Gavin
Reserve Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: PDMat Shav on Tue 07 Jul 2020 15:19
Good appointment again for Rob Jones  it would appear that he will be promoted at the end of the season, is a far better referee than some that operate on the premier league at the present time. Has the ability  to go along way and is a real nice guy.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Bielsa’s Bucket on Tue 07 Jul 2020 15:25
A solid decision by the EFL to give Jones this game who I have to say wasn’t at his best at Blackburn last Saturday but nevertheless a well deserved appointment for Jones he gets this final for the second time in three years. And this surely guarantees that he will be refereeing at the top next year
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Tue 07 Jul 2020 19:08
A solid decision by the EFL to give Jones this game who I have to say wasn’t at his best at Blackburn last Saturday but nevertheless a well deserved appointment for Jones he gets this final for the second time in three years. And this surely guarantees that he will be refereeing at the top next year

I didn’t think he was at his best either this evening at Forest. Some very odd decisions and missed handballs to boot.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Welshexref on Thu 09 Jul 2020 08:38
Andy Madley got this game last season and was promoted as was Peter Bankes who was 4O and Nick Hopton who was AR. The other AR was Timothy Wood who's on the game again.

Must bode well for them in the promotion stakes (though probably not this years 4O)!
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Levref on Thu 09 Jul 2020 14:48
Sorry not convinced on this appointment and that also includes Ward as 4O. I hope that Mr Jones has a good game but I'm not convinced on him. I see alot of Stuart Attwel in him and his progression, hope the same initial downfall doesn't fall on him!!
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Hertsref123 on Thu 09 Jul 2020 15:06
Two poor games is hardly comparable to stuart Attwell. Jones has been the best sg2 ref for the past season or two.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Gorgeous George on Thu 09 Jul 2020 20:17
I think Jones for the final is easily the best choice! He’s been the most consistent in SG2 for at least two seasons... to say he’s had two “bad games” is an exaggeration, I thought he actually did very well on Tuesday night in a tough game.

The only big decision I disagreed with was the “VAR-style handball” before the Arter wonder goal, that I’m sure he would have given had he seen. 
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Levref on Fri 10 Jul 2020 11:20
I never mentioned just 2 games. I have seen him 6 times this season both live and on TV and he doesnt get my vote. I feel that he is being rushed through, given games that at this time of his career he is not capable off. Monday night might just prove or disprove this theory.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Hertsref123 on Fri 10 Jul 2020 12:29
Well iv’e seen him on some big championship games this season and he’s put in very capable performances. Most on here would agree, he’s been SG2’s best Performer for the past season or so. Besides he’s done the league one play off final before.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: nemesis on Fri 10 Jul 2020 12:32
I never mentioned just 2 games. I have seen him 6 times this season both live and on TV and he doesnt get my vote. I feel that he is being rushed through, given games that at this time of his career he is not capable off. Monday night might just prove or disprove this theory.

"Rushed through" ??  More like held back in comparison to many who have "progressed".
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: TVOS on Fri 10 Jul 2020 17:40
I never mentioned just 2 games. I have seen him 6 times this season both live and on TV and he doesnt get my vote. I feel that he is being rushed through, given games that at this time of his career he is not capable off. Monday night might just prove or disprove this theory.

He's in his fourth season on the list; hardly being 'rushed'.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: rustyref on Fri 10 Jul 2020 18:48
Definitely not being rushed and I would say more held back.  I watch a lot of Championship football and he has been by some distance the best referee at that level, even more so since Andy Madley was promoted.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Whistleblower on Sat 11 Jul 2020 15:25
From what I glean from my contact within the  refereeing community, Rob Jones is considered to be quite clearly the best among SG2. I can imagine m'learned friend thinking that is damning with faint praise but I understand the margin by which Jones is considered better to be considerable
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Hendo on Sat 11 Jul 2020 16:06
From what I glean from my contact within the  refereeing community, Rob Jones is considered to be quite clearly the best among SG2. I can imagine m'learned friend thinking that is damning with faint praise but I understand the margin by which Jones is considered better to be considerable

Coote and Bankes were top of the SG2 merit last year and promoted (with Simpson being 3rd amazingly). Jones names is constantly mentioned on here as being regarded as the best prospect for some time and yet was not in the top 4 seemingly, so Would I be right in assuming Jones did not do enough SG2 games to be considered?
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Hertsref123 on Sat 11 Jul 2020 16:16
Do we know if that whole coote, bankes and simpson being top of the merit table thing, is actually true?
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: Whistleblower on Sat 11 Jul 2020 22:14
Well if Simpson was third in a Merit List then what constitutes merit must stretch the application of language.

For some time now I have believed that in some instances referees get annointed ( for whatever reason and usually patronage is involved ) and because it is such a closed system then the marks and assessments will fall into line in supporting the rise of the annointed ones.

Part of the annointing is due to working for various Country FAs I suspect.
Title: Re: PlayOffs 2020
Post by: ronref on Thu 23 Jul 2020 19:14
From what I glean from my contact within the  refereeing community, Rob Jones is considered to be quite clearly the best among SG2. I can imagine m'learned friend thinking that is damning with faint praise but I understand the margin by which Jones is considered better to be considerable
From what I glean from my contact within the  refereeing community, Rob Jones is considered to be quite clearly the best among SG2. I can imagine m'learned friend thinking that is damning with faint praise but I understand the margin by which Jones is considered better to be considerable

Coote and Bankes were top of the SG2 merit last year and promoted (with Simpson being 3rd amazingly). Jones names is constantly mentioned on here as being regarded as the best prospect for some time and yet was not in the top 4 seemingly, so Would I be right in assuming Jones did not do enough SG2 games to be considered?

from what i have been informed  Jones was 3rd in the merit table last year and i believe he did not get promotion to sg1 as you quite rightly state he did not do as many games as cootes and banks and that was the only reason he was held back, that does not meen  he was not as good as the other two