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Title: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Mackem ref on Mon 30 Dec 2019 16:49
https://www.efl.com/news/2019/december/referee-appointments-carabao-cup-semi-finals-first-leg/

Tuesday 7th January 2020

Manchester United v Manchester City
Referee: Mike Dean
Assistant Referees: Ian Hussin and Darren Cann
Fourth Official: Lee Mason
VAR: Kevin Friend
AVAR: Steve Child

Wednesday 8th January 2020

Leicester v Aston Villa
Referee: Chris Kavanagh
Assistant Referees: Dan Cook and Sian Massey-Ellis
Fourth Official: Anthony Taylor
VAR: Paul Tierney
AVAR: Neil Davies
Title: Re: EFL Cup Semi Final 1st Leg appointments
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Mon 30 Dec 2019 16:53
Well done to both Mike and Chris and hope that you and your teams have great evenings.
Title: Re: EFL Cup Semi Final 1st Leg appointments
Post by: Mackem ref on Mon 30 Dec 2019 16:56
Congratulations to all officials appointed. Mike Dean deservedly gets the Manchester derby IMO after another excellent season this term, and Chris Kavanagh and his team clearly feature heavily in the plans of the PGMOL for the future!

Thinking about the final, who do people think will be given the appointment? Looking at the current list, not many officials seem to have the required experience who haven't already refereed the final. The options (from what I can tell) are Lee Mason, Paul Tierney and Stuart Attwell. Chris Kavanagh could also be on this list, but his appointment to the Semi Final suggests that he is not being considered for the final. If I was a betting man, I reckon Tierney is probably the best bet!
Title: Re: EFL Cup Semi Final 1st Leg appointments
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 30 Dec 2019 17:18
Happy with these appointments. I rate both Dean and Kavanagh highly.

Will the FIFA referees be available for the second legs? It seems there's often a UEFA seminar in the last midweek of January.

I'd probably make Tierney favourite for the final. Mason, Scott and Attwell seem to have had reasonably solid seasons from what I've seen. I can't think of another likely candidate off the top of my head - too soon for the likes of Coote and Madley I would think.
Title: Re: EFL Cup Semi Final 1st Leg appointments
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 30 Dec 2019 17:20
Oliver and Taylor for the second legs?

Seems tierney is on course for the final- unless one of the big hitters has it again?
Title: Re: EFL Cup Semi Final 1st Leg appointments
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Mon 30 Dec 2019 17:37
Oliver and Taylor for the second legs?

Seems tierney is on course for the final- unless one of the big hitters has it again?

Only George Courtney (1983 and 1992) has refereed two League Cup Finals, and if this was to be repeated this season, I would go for Mike Dean although this now seems less likely. I would go for Paul Tierney this year with Lee Mason as a possible alternative.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 16 Jan 2020 09:52
It looks like all eight of England's FIFA referees will be away on seminars for the midweek of the second legs so the non-FIFA referees will be taking the second legs and West Ham V Liverpool in the PL (not a great surprise - there always tends to be a seminar this midweek.)
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Hendo on Thu 16 Jan 2020 13:25
It looks like all eight of England's FIFA referees will be away on seminars for the midweek of the second legs so the non-FIFA referees will be taking the second legs and West Ham V Liverpool in the PL (not a great surprise - there always tends to be a seminar this midweek.)

Mason and Hooper anyone? 😱😱😱😱😱😱
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: JohnCoyle on Thu 16 Jan 2020 14:33
It looks like all eight of England's FIFA referees will be away on seminars for the midweek of the second legs so the non-FIFA referees will be taking the second legs and West Ham V Liverpool in the PL (not a great surprise - there always tends to be a seminar this midweek.)

Mason and Hooper anyone? 😱😱😱😱😱😱

At a guess I'd say two of Moss, Marriner and Friend.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: ajb95 on Thu 16 Jan 2020 16:45
Friend won’t have united as he had them last night. Moss has united v Burnley so probably won’t be him either...
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Thu 16 Jan 2020 17:30
Has to be Marriner for one of them, however Atkinson is probably a decent favourite to get one also.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 16 Jan 2020 22:27
I believe Marriner is a Villa fan and Friend doesn't referee Leicester so that's a limiting factor. Moss has Man Utd V Burnley and did Aston Villa V Man City the weekend just gone too so not sure he'll get one.

I'd say Atkinson almost certainly (although not convinced he deserves one) and maybe Graham Scott for Aston Villa V Leicester?

Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Hendo on Fri 17 Jan 2020 08:23
It looks like all eight of England's FIFA referees will be away on seminars for the midweek of the second legs so the non-FIFA referees will be taking the second legs and West Ham V Liverpool in the PL (not a great surprise - there always tends to be a seminar this midweek.)

Perhaps it’s just me but I sometimes hope that one these seminars clashes with weekend fixtures as it would mean a number of SG2 refs stepping up and being given a chance to ref in the PL. They are after all professionals and, in some cases, better than those who are part if the SG1. Failing that, perhaps a couple of weekends a year where SG2 refs get a good portion of the PL matches while their colleagues on SG1 have a taster of life back in the Championship. It would freshen things up a bit and be a carrot for those aspiring to SG1 level to know that they could be in line for a shot at a PL game once or twice a year, performance permitting
I know it won’t happen but dream on ..........
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Fri 17 Jan 2020 17:05
It looks like all eight of England's FIFA referees will be away on seminars for the midweek of the second legs so the non-FIFA referees will be taking the second legs and West Ham V Liverpool in the PL (not a great surprise - there always tends to be a seminar this midweek.)

Perhaps it’s just me but I sometimes hope that one these seminars clashes with weekend fixtures as it would mean a number of SG2 refs stepping up and being given a chance to ref in the PL. They are after all professionals and, in some cases, better than those who are part if the SG1. Failing that, perhaps a couple of weekends a year where SG2 refs get a good portion of the PL matches while their colleagues on SG1 have a taster of life back in the Championship. It would freshen things up a bit and be a carrot for those aspiring to SG1 level to know that they could be in line for a shot at a PL game once or twice a year, performance permitting
I know it won’t happen but dream on ..........

I'm sure the PL teams would love the likes of Simpson and Martin ruining games in the top flight...  ;D
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Hendo on Fri 17 Jan 2020 19:35
It looks like all eight of England's FIFA referees will be away on seminars for the midweek of the second legs so the non-FIFA referees will be taking the second legs and West Ham V Liverpool in the PL (not a great surprise - there always tends to be a seminar this midweek.)

Perhaps it’s just me but I sometimes hope that one these seminars clashes with weekend fixtures as it would mean a number of SG2 refs stepping up and being given a chance to ref in the PL. They are after all professionals and, in some cases, better than those who are part if the SG1. Failing that, perhaps a couple of weekends a year where SG2 refs get a good portion of the PL matches while their colleagues on SG1 have a taster of life back in the Championship. It would freshen things up a bit and be a carrot for those aspiring to SG1 level to know that they could be in line for a shot at a PL game once or twice a year, performance permitting
I know it won’t happen but dream on ..........

I'm sure the PL teams would love the likes of Simpson and Martin ruining games in the top flight...  ;D

Whole heartedly agree, that’s why only certain refs should be given the chance. Neither of these would be anywhere near a PL game if I had my way
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: aaa on Mon 20 Jan 2020 16:14
2nd Leg

Tue 28th Jan 2020
Villa FC (First Team) v Leicester City FC (First Team)
EFL Cup   
Referee:  Dean, Michael
Assistant Referee:  Hussin, Ian
Assistant Referee:  Scholes, Mark
Fourth Official:  Hooper, Simon
Video Assistant Referee: Mason, Lee
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Holmes, Adrian

Wed 29th Jan 2020
Manchester City FC (First Team) v Manchester United FC (First Team)
EFL Cup   
Referee:  Marriner, Andre Friend, Kevin
Assistant Referee:  Long, Simon
Assistant Referee:  West, Richard
Fourth Official:  Bankes, Peter
Video Assistant Referee: Atkinson, Martin
Additional Video Assistant Referee: Child, Stephen
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Mon 20 Jan 2020 16:27
No great surprise with Andre refereeing the Manchester derby, but Mike preferred to Atkinson is a bit of a surprise. A weekend of congrats to Mike continues. I hope that both of you and your teams have great evenings. Now who's going to have a Happy St David's Day at Wembley? Kavanagh, Scott or Mason....? 
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: BabyRef on Mon 20 Jan 2020 16:30
Mike Dean getting both legs shows the lack of depth in English top flight refereeing at the moment!

I know there is a European conference but I remember times where you had 10-12 refs capable of handling cup semis. Eg in 2002-03 when you had Poll, Barber, Winter, Durkin, Halsey, Riley, Wiley, Bennett, Styles, Dunn, Gallagher. Level of top talent seems a lot thinner now.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Readingfan on Mon 20 Jan 2020 17:04
Dean getting two semi-finals shows how good he is. I wonder if they hadn't planned ahead from the first legs because it was a bit surprising that neither Oliver or Taylor were used then if they weren't available for the second.

I presume VAR will be used again, probably Atkinson and Mason considering the other appointments.

I think Tierney has a decent chance for the final.

Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: ajb95 on Mon 20 Jan 2020 17:05
Dean getting two semi-finals shows how good he is. I wonder if they hadn't planned ahead from the first legs because it was a bit surprising that neither Oliver or Taylor were used then if they weren't available for the second.

I presume VAR will be used again, probably Atkinson and Mason considering the other appointments.

I think Tierney has a decent chance for the final.

Agreed I think it will be Tierney, and Coote on 4th official
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Hertsref123 on Mon 20 Jan 2020 22:36
No great surprise with Andre refereeing the Manchester derby, but Mike preferred to Atkinson is a bit of a surprise. A weekend of congrats to Mike continues. I hope that both of you and your teams have great evenings. Now who's going to have a Happy St David's Day at Wembley? Kavanagh, Scott or Mason....?
Atkinson is doing the monday night fa cup tie so couldn’t do the LC semi finals. Think Tierney Has To be favourite for the final.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 21 Jan 2020 12:05
No great surprise with Andre refereeing the Manchester derby, but Mike preferred to Atkinson is a bit of a surprise. A weekend of congrats to Mike continues. I hope that both of you and your teams have great evenings. Now who's going to have a Happy St David's Day at Wembley? Kavanagh, Scott or Mason....?
Atkinson is doing the monday night fa cup tie so couldn’t do the LC semi finals. Think Tierney Has To be favourite for the final.

It would be interesting to know which takes precedence - I'd have thought a semi-final would be given priority over a fourth round tie so if they'd wanted Atkinson for a semi-final in the LC then someone else would have got the Monday FA Cup game. But who knows. I don't think Atkinson has been especially good this season anyway.

Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: lincs22 on Tue 21 Jan 2020 13:01
It would be interesting to know which takes precedence - I'd have thought a semi-final would be given priority over a fourth round tie so if they'd wanted Atkinson for a semi-final in the LC then someone else would have got the Monday FA Cup game. But who knows. I don't think Atkinson has been especially good this season anyway.

The FA Order of matches specifies that FA Cup is the most importance, so the League Cup being a FL competition would rank 3.

(b) The “Order of Precedence” of appointments, whether as a Referee or Assistant Referee shall be as follows:
(1) The FA Challenge Cup Competition;
(2) The Premier League;
(3) The Football League;
(4) The FA Challenge Trophy Competition;
(5) The FA Challenge Vase Competition;
(6) Affiliated Association Cup Competitions*
(7) The Panel Leagues;
(8) The FA Youth, FA County Youth Challenge Cup Competitions and FA Women’s Cup
4th round and above.
(9) Contributory Leagues (recognised divisions only), National League Systems Cup
and FA Sunday Cup
(10) FA Women’s Super League and Cup
(11) Supply Leagues (marking divisions only)
(12) FA Women’s Premier League and Cup
(13) Senior County Leagues
(14) Intermediate County League
(15) FA Women’s Cup prior to 4th round
(16) Women’s Combination League and Cup
(17) Women’s Regional League and Cup
(18) County Junior Leagues
(19) County Women’s Leagues and Cup
(20) All other competitions, including Youth Competitions
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 21 Jan 2020 13:07
Thanks, although you'd hope some coordination would go on - otherwise, the Premier League could insist on using every eligible referee for the LC final that weekend other than Simon Hooper!  ;)
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: ryan80 on Tue 21 Jan 2020 22:36
Dean getting two semi-finals shows how good he is. I wonder if they hadn't planned ahead from the first legs because it was a bit surprising that neither Oliver or Taylor were used then if they weren't available for the second.

I presume VAR will be used again, probably Atkinson and Mason considering the other appointments.

I think Tierney has a decent chance for the final.

Agreed I think it will be Tierney, and Coote on 4th official

I think Mason might stand a good chance!!
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Hendo on Tue 21 Jan 2020 23:07
Surprised nobody has mentioned Attwell yet. He seems to be back in favour again and although I don’t rate him more than mediocre, he is still a FIFA ref and, as far as I am aware, has never has the Final
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: flipmode on Wed 22 Jan 2020 04:40
I think Mason might stand a good chance!!

We need an emoji that visibly shudders ;D

Great set of appointments too. I thought either Taylor or Kavanagh would've got the City v United second leg, but all in all a safe pair of hands for both games.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 22 Jan 2020 08:56
I think Mason might stand a good chance!!

We need an emoji that visibly shudders ;D

Great set of appointments too. I thought either Taylor or Kavanagh would've got the City v United second leg, but all in all a safe pair of hands for both games.

All the FIFA officials are out of commission during the week so they weren't available.

Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Irishref1985 on Thu 23 Jan 2020 16:49
Is there no VAR in operation for the second legs? A bit strange since it was used in the first legs..
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 28 Jan 2020 12:51
Is there no VAR in operation for the second legs? A bit strange since it was used in the first legs..

VAR now confirmed above.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Tue 28 Jan 2020 17:15
Has Andre Marriner got over the illness which prevented him refereeing at Shrewsbury on Sunday? I don't imagine he will be too happy if a bug prevents him from refereeing two big games in quick succession.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: NathanMattick8 on Tue 28 Jan 2020 19:15
Kevin Friend will now referee the second leg between Manchester City and Manchester United.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Hendo on Tue 28 Jan 2020 20:59
Kevin Friend will now referee the second leg between Manchester City and Manchester United.

The same Kevin Friend who refereed Man City v Fulham 3 days ago?
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: rustyref on Tue 28 Jan 2020 21:44
Guess with FIFA referees all away and Mariner unwell they are very, very short on options.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Readingfan on Tue 28 Jan 2020 22:14
Guess with FIFA referees all away and Mariner unwell they are very, very short on options.

Yeah, Atkinson only refereed last night and Dean tonight. Moss is doing West Ham V Liverpool and refereed Man Utd last Wednesday anyway. Mason refereed Man City last midweek and Man Utd at the weekend. Hooper and Bankes probably too inexperienced.

 I think Scott was the only other option and even he did Man City just 10 days ago. And perhaps he's under consideration for the final? They were lucky it wasn't Leicester playing tomorrow as Friend can't referee them!
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Hendo on Tue 28 Jan 2020 22:25
Does Villas involvement now possibly rule Attwell out for consideration for the Final? Nuneaton to Villa Park is close. Has he refereed Villa games in the past?
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Bielsa’s Bucket on Tue 28 Jan 2020 22:32
Does Villas involvement now possibly rule Attwell out for consideration for the Final? Nuneaton to Villa Park is close. Has he refereed Villa games in the past?
Leeds v Villa at the end of last season
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: robbie_scouse on Tue 28 Jan 2020 23:39
Has Andre Marriner got over the illness which prevented him refereeing at Shrewsbury on Sunday? I don't imagine he will be too happy if a bug prevents him from refereeing two big games in quick succession.
I know the commentator reported an illness but maybe it’s an injury - he has replaced Friend as VAR for West Ham v Liverpool tomorrow and also has a VAR appointment this weekend.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: ajb95 on Thu 30 Jan 2020 17:31
I must say I was very unimpressed and disappointed by Kevin friends handling of the game at the etihad. Some very bemusing decisions, and a very harsh second yellow for matic. No consistency in cautions and fouls being awarded.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Ref Fan on Thu 30 Jan 2020 20:52
I think 2 issues did for Matic.  Firstly, he was on a final warning, Friend having made that clear to the captain, Maguire.
Secondly, although the shove by Matic was fairly mild for the 2nd YC, it did prevent a counter attack by City.

Even as a United supporter, I would have been surprised had he not been sent off.

That said, I wasn't overly impressed by Friend's performance either, and agree about the inconsistency.
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Readingfan on Thu 30 Jan 2020 23:08
I thought Friend had a pretty good game; he let it flow generally which contributed to the match, and I thought the red card was a reasonable decision.

It must be quite unusual for the same referee to have sent off two away players at the same stadium in the space of four days!
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: Acme Thunderer on Mon 10 Feb 2020 16:30
Dean getting two semi-finals shows how good he is. I wonder if they hadn't planned ahead from the first legs because it was a bit surprising that neither Oliver or Taylor were used then if they weren't available for the second.

I presume VAR will be used again, probably Atkinson and Mason considering the other appointments.

I think Tierney has a decent chance for the final.

Agreed I think it will be Tierney, and Coote on 4th official

I think Mason might stand a good chance!!

...and your prize is..... Now could you let me know the lottery numbers for Wednesday please. ;D
Title: Re: The EFL Carabao Cup – Semi Finals appointments (Tue 7th – Wed 29th JAN 2020)
Post by: ryan80 on Mon 10 Feb 2020 19:25
Dean getting two semi-finals shows how good he is. I wonder if they hadn't planned ahead from the first legs because it was a bit surprising that neither Oliver or Taylor were used then if they weren't available for the second.

I presume VAR will be used again, probably Atkinson and Mason considering the other appointments.

I think Tierney has a decent chance for the final.

Agreed I think it will be Tierney, and Coote on 4th official

I think Mason might stand a good chance!!

...and your prize is..... Now could you let me know the lottery numbers for Wednesday please. ;D

I am not that good, Mason is liked by the EFL, he did the champiosnhip play off final a few years ago plus most others have done it.  I think had Bobby Madley been around it would have been his.