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General Refereeing => Legacy Appointment Boards => Select Group 2 => Topic started by: aaa on Mon 18 Aug 2025 16:09
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I think we are all in agreement that WBA have been on the wrong side of two key match changing decisions by an inexperienced but promising referee. Instead of lambasting him as Sky has done this morning courtesy of Dermot Gallagher why not lambast those who gave him this appointment too soon and so therefore risk hampering his progress….why not lambast those that discard experienced campaigners like Andy Davies and Geoff Eltringham for younger referees not ready for this step-up and why not lambast the experienced Sam Lewis is AR who had a perfect view of both incidents and could have aided his less experienced and very promising colleague? Let’s hope this fixture doesn’t spoil Elliot’s season.
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"Yes a definite penalty and a clear red card as well. The West Brom player should have gone down"
Prime example of referees not giving things as player didn't go down. If we want players to stay on their feet and not "con" us then these decisions have to be given. Definite hold for a long period of time, preventing attacker going clear on goal. FK and RC.
IMHO it was a penalty too
On the positive side kudos to Josh Smith for an excellent simulation spot which (eventually) resulted on a 2YC and RC - brilliant decision
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Saw the 2 incidents at West Bromwich on ITV. Mason may feel very unhappy as the penalty claim looked legitimate and the DOGSO quite arguable. Not had a chance to see the incidents again so accept I may be wrong.
Agree fully, the decision not to award WBA a penalty was shocking imo.
Yes a definite penalty and a clear red card as well. The West Brom player should have gone down
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Saw the 2 incidents at West Bromwich on ITV. Mason may feel very unhappy as the penalty claim looked legitimate and the DOGSO quite arguable. Not had a chance to see the incidents again so accept I may be wrong.
Agree fully, the decision not to award WBA a penalty was shocking imo.
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Norwich City FC (First Team) v MIDDLESBROUGH (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Doughty, Leigh
Assistant Referee: Woodward, Richard
Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Fourth Official: Young, Alan
Very good game,
Only minor fault, let centre half get away with holding the centre forward first but then penalising the forward.
Thought AR was a bit sharp with offside flag, when player didn't actually get the ball or even get close to the ball, and a couple of times could have played on when the keeper had the ball but went back for the free kick.
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Saw the 2 incidents at West Bromwich on ITV. Mason may feel very unhappy as the penalty claim looked legitimate and the DOGSO quite arguable. Not had a chance to see the incidents again so accept I may be wrong.
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Saw Elliot Bell at West Brom today. No issues from me as my team got out of there with a well earned point - but don't think he's quite ready for regular Championship appointments just yet.
Ryan Mason sent off and general loss of control towards the final stages, so much so that I wouldn't disagree with any Baggies fans who feel we were lucky to finish with 10 men and should've had a penalty kick awarded against us.
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Elliot Bell has had an excellent start to the season appointment wise. Two championship games and a decent L1 game (Blackpool v Huddersfield), especially considering he’s not in the supplementary list.
I’ll be in the away end at Preston so I’ll be able to see Matthew Donohue for the first time in person, one who seemed close to becoming a PL regular but has been unable to make it recently
Stockport v Bolton on the opening day as well. Only a matter of time before he's officially on that list
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For a referee to be appointed to the same team twice in three games like Steve Martin has is basically just lazy appointing as there are plenty of other permutations that could have been used to prevent it…alas no change from those in charge.
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Elliot Bell has had an excellent start to the season appointment wise. Two championship games and a decent L1 game (Blackpool v Huddersfield), especially considering he’s not in the supplementary list.
I’ll be in the away end at Preston so I’ll be able to see Matthew Donohue for the first time in person, one who seemed close to becoming a PL regular but has been unable to make it recently
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Really disappointed as a Watford fan to see Stephen Martin appointed to our game. Nothing against him as a referee, but he oversaw our first match of the season at Charlton.
Are there really so few SG2 officials and are the powers that be really so unimaginative that we have had a repeated appointment already in the space of the first 3 fixtures. I mean come on!
I think the only possible reason could be due to SG1 Injuries, causing SG2 Officials to be more involved in PL Matches, causing fewer officials to be available. However, that could just be coincidental. It happens a lot, it is most likely coincidental and not done on purpose, if you get what I mean. Middlesborough have had Richard Woodward 2/3 games this season, Burnley had Andrew Kitchen a host of times last season. Darren Bond seems to only ever get Fulham and Leicester games. It is all coincidental!
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Really disappointed as a Watford fan to see Stephen Martin appointed to our game. Nothing against him as a referee, but he oversaw our first match of the season at Charlton.
Are there really so few SG2 officials and are the powers that be really so unimaginative that we have had a repeated appointment already in the space of the first 3 fixtures. I mean come on!
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Gavin Ward will need to be in two places at once !
Anyone know what’s happened to Will Finnie ?
Good spot. Derby is Friday night.
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Gavin Ward will need to be in two places at once !
Anyone know what’s happened to Will Finnie ?
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Middlesbrough are seeing almost as much of Richard Woodward as Leigh Doughty is.
Second time in 3 weeks as AR1 at a Boro game. Fourth consecutive match as Doughty's AR1. I know it's common in SG1 to have the same team of officials sticking together (and usually the ref and both ARs, not just one) but I can't see many other regular partnerships lower down.
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So far Stoke have had Elliot Bell, James Bell, Lewis Smith and now Josh Smith. So two Bells and two Smiths, which pairing will be next?
They must be readying the Madleys for their next two games? :D
Didn't expect to see Rob Jones being sent to Birmingham. Sure Preston will be thrilled by Donohue, wasn't there a quirky stat last season about his first four red cards in game involving the Lilywhites?
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Anthony Backhouse was another who seemed to be on a rapid rise to the PL a couple of seasons ago and picked up brilliant appointments but injuries seemed to put that on hold.
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Great to see Leigh Doughty out in the Championship. The appointments team must have seen the message I put on here the other day 😉
Amazing to see Josh Smith staying out there!! No injury yet!
We have Donohue this week! An official I would have loved to see get some more on-field games in the Premier League at the end of last season, but was overlooked.
I’ve seen Doughty live at Craven Cottage when we won promotion to the Premier League in 2022.
He certainly put in a confident, dignified performance and I thought he may have had a shot at SG1 given the steady shows he produced.
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Kettle Junior mixing in with the cream of English officialdom.
Decent game for Macho Man in Wales.
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Great to see Leigh Doughty out in the Championship. The appointments team must have seen the message I put on here the other day 😉
Amazing to see Josh Smith staying out there!! No injury yet!
We have Donohue this week! An official I would have loved to see get some more on-field games in the Premier League at the end of last season, but was overlooked.
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Fri 22nd Aug 2025
Derby County FC (First Team) v Bristol City (First Team) Live on SkySports
Football League Championship
Referee: Webb, David
Assistant Referee: Smith, Matthew
Assistant Referee: Singh Gill, Bhupinder
Fourth Official: Ward, Gavin
Sat 23rd Aug 2025
Birmingham City F C (First Team) v Oxford United (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Jones, Robert
Assistant Referee: Betts, Lee
Assistant Referee: Greenhalgh, Nick
Fourth Official: Kennard-Kettle, Zac
Charlton Athletic FC (First Team) v Leicester City FC (First Team) Live on SkySports
Football League Championship
Referee: Whitestone, Dean
Assistant Referee: Karaivanov, Hristo
Assistant Referee: James, Alex
Fourth Official: Russell, Matthew
Coventry City FC (First Team) v Queens Park Rangers FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Herczeg, Adam
Assistant Referee: Lugg, Nigel
Assistant Referee: Fitch-Jackson, Carl
Fourth Official: Ward, Gavin
Hull City (First Team) v Blackburn Rovers FC (First Team) Live on SkySports+
Football League Championship
Referee: Nield, Tom
Assistant Referee: Dallison, Andrew
Assistant Referee: Harrison, David
Fourth Official: Corlett, Matt
Norwich City FC (First Team) v MIDDLESBROUGH (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Doughty, Leigh
Assistant Referee: Woodward, Richard
Assistant Referee: Venamore, Lee
Fourth Official: Young, Alan
Preston North End FC (First Team) v Ipswich Town F.C. (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Donohue, Matthew
Assistant Referee: Fox, Andrew
Assistant Referee: Graham, Jacob
Fourth Official: Baines, Dale
Sheffield United FC (First Team) v Millwall FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Busby, John
Assistant Referee: Kane, Graham
Assistant Referee: Williams, Darren
Fourth Official: Joyce, Ross
Southampton FC (First Team) v Stoke City FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Smith, Josh
Assistant Referee: Howson, Akil
Assistant Referee: Russell, Mark
Fourth Official: Hicks, Craig
Swansea City FC (First Team) v Watford FC (First Team) Live on SkySports+
Football League Championship
Referee: Martin, Stephen
Assistant Referee: Carney, Emily
Assistant Referee: Gough, Callum
Fourth Official: Eley, Richard
West Bromwich Albion FC (First Team) v Portsmouth FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Bell, Elliot
Assistant Referee: Lewis, Sam
Assistant Referee: Cooper, Ian
Fourth Official: Bourne, Declan
Wrexham FC (First Team) v Sheffield Wednesday FC (First Team)
Football League Championship
Referee: Hallam, Farai
Assistant Referee: Nelson, Alistair
Assistant Referee: Wilson, James
Fourth Official: Mather, Simon