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General Refereeing => Legacy Appointment Boards => Select Group 2 => Topic started by: aaa on Mon 14 Apr 2025 16:08
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aaa….I am totally relaxed thank-you as I respect all views on this site even if I don’t agree with them. As for having an agenda against Sunny Gill you could not be further from the truth ….I just do not think he deserved his appointment when he received it…simple. I don’t rate Neild or Doughty but do not have a agenda against them it’s just my opinion. David Webb is undoubtedly the top referee inSG2 this season so why does he get the Big Crunch games but not a premier league fixture? Why does kitchen not get the top 3 when they play each other but does get a premier league appointment? No agenda against kitchen but he is clearly not the top ranked official….again no agenda…just a valid opinion.
But to be fair, he has had Blackburn v Burnley, Preston v Burnley and Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United, which are arguably similarly testing fixtures to those between the top three.
I would hazard a guess that no referee has had Blackburn v Burnley and Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United in the same season before.
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aaa….I am totally relaxed thank-you as I respect all views on this site even if I don’t agree with them. As for having an agenda against Sunny Gill you could not be further from the truth ….I just do not think he deserved his appointment when he received it…simple. I don’t rate Neild or Doughty but do not have a agenda against them it’s just my opinion. David Webb is undoubtedly the top referee inSG2 this season so why does he get the Big Crunch games but not a premier league fixture? Why does kitchen not get the top 3 when they play each other but does get a premier league appointment? No agenda against kitchen but he is clearly not the top ranked official….again no agenda…just a valid opinion.
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A complementary reference has been made to Bell on this thread, but which one? I watched Elliot Bell last night in a fiesty game, Salford v Doncaster, and couldn't be sure about him. Looks the part but 2 goals were disallowed, a red card issued (2 yellows correctly given), and a few (5) other yellows which were "questionable" according to some. I think these observers struggle to understand how several physical challenges aren't yellow, yet a simple pull back is. Of course, the former is descretionay, the latter mandatory. Bell tried to let the game flow but there was one tackle which was definitely orange but to his credit he gave himself time to reflect on it.
It was a tough gig and the Doncaster manager got quite worked up earning a yellow. My question is, as there are 2 Bells, is in folk's opinion James Bell the better referee or is it Elliot?
That was in regards to waiting for an SG2 promotion, James is already there but I should have been clear I was referring to Elliot.
I’ve not seen Elliot myself but he’s got some good games and seems to be making rapid progression along with Farai Hallam and Ruebyn Ricardo out of the 1st year National List referees.
I only caught yesterday’s highlights and would agree the 2 disallowed goals are questionable at least. The Doncaster one I don’t think is a foul and as for the Salford one, I can’t see any foul but it’s not a great broadcast angle. Salford players also don’t seem to appeal too much against the decision.
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A complementary reference has been made to Bell on this thread, but which one? I watched Elliot Bell last night in a fiesty game, Salford v Doncaster, and couldn't be sure about him. Looks the part but 2 goals were disallowed, a red card issued (2 yellows correctly given), and a few (5) other yellows which were "questionable" according to some. I think these observers struggle to understand how several physical challenges aren't yellow, yet a simple pull back is. Of course, the former is descretionay, the latter mandatory. Bell tried to let the game flow but there was one tackle which was definitely orange but to his credit he gave himself time to reflect on it.
It was a tough gig and the Doncaster manager got quite worked up earning a yellow. My question is, as there are 2 Bells, is in folk's opinion James Bell the better referee or is it Elliot?
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My point is that we should be able to express our personal opinion regarding individual performances and appointments. The vast majority of my own posts support and praise match officials in particular Josh Smith and David Webb for their performances this season and a number of previous seasons, I have praised those progressing in the Premier League in particular Jones,Brooks and Gillett and I have constantly praised the impressive potential of Hallam, Smith and Kirk coming through. Yet the minute anything untowards is written about Gill or Allison the post is removed. This is not personal it is opinion and one shared by many others. They have both committed error after error and have not justified their appointments at the top level when given them. The site is called “RateTheRef” for a reason.
Although I don't know what happened to your post or what was said. Maybe, just maybe you're stepping out of line. I would encourage you to take a step back before you post and asked yourself, is this necessary. In the last 2 months alone, majority of the Referees in the PL, Championship and FL have received a negative review or two but what you seems to do, is focus on two individuals. It seems you have a personal agenda rather than "RatetheRef" as you stated. What made me come to this conclusion is the fact that one of these two Referees have not officiate for two months.
Just relax...
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My point is that we should be able to express our personal opinion regarding individual performances and appointments. The vast majority of my own posts support and praise match officials in particular Josh Smith and David Webb for their performances this season and a number of previous seasons, I have praised those progressing in the Premier League in particular Jones,Brooks and Gillett and I have constantly praised the impressive potential of Hallam, Smith and Kirk coming through. Yet the minute anything untowards is written about Gill or Allison the post is removed. This is not personal it is opinion and one shared by many others. They have both committed error after error and have not justified their appointments at the top level when given them. The site is called “RateTheRef” for a reason.
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Such a respectable site but you do not allow honest opinion given with sincerity!!! Sunny Gill should ref FA Cup Final…Sam Allison to get FIFA nomination….is that ok?
Let’s look at the facts here….top refs should get top games after proving themself….PGMOL should be honest enough to treat all match officials equal….do you think they do???????
And your point relevant to this thread is what...?
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Such a respectable site but you do not allow honest opinion given with sincerity!!! Sunny Gill should ref FA Cup Final…Sam Allison to get FIFA nomination….is that ok?
Let’s look at the facts here….top refs should get top games after proving themself….PGMOL should be honest enough to treat all match officials equal….do you think they do???????
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No offence to Mr Linington but I thought Derby Luton would go SG1 with so much riding on it
A very experienced official and usually a safe pair of hands. Probably put the kiss of death on him now!
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No offence to Mr Linington but I thought Derby Luton would go SG1 with so much riding on it
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A Championship debut I assume for Emily Carney.
A key game at the bottom of the Championship for James Linington.
Good spot, she’s shot up the leagues in the last twelve months or so. Obviously been very highly rated in the Women’s game looking at her appointments
I know it was mentioned SG2 is full currently but there’s a long long queue forming to get in. Hallam, Bell, Toner, Kirk, Herczeg, Ricardo all getting fairly frequent appointments.
She did the UWCL final last year then went to the Olympics and now the euros this year. Really impressive to do all that all pretty early in her career.
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A Championship debut I assume for Emily Carney.
A key game at the bottom of the Championship for James Linington.
Good spot, she’s shot up the leagues in the last twelve months or so. Obviously been very highly rated in the Women’s game looking at her appointments
I know it was mentioned SG2 is full currently but there’s a long long queue forming to get in. Hallam, Bell, Toner, Kirk, Herczeg, Ricardo all getting fairly frequent appointments.
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Another very impressive appointment for Tom Kirk I see
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Allison again🤦♂️😂
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No idea for sure if Lewis and Josh are brothers but it's nice that they are together for a match if they are!
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Very surprised that no SG1 ref for the big game at turf moor.
David Webb highly thought off.
David Webb has been a very reliable stalwart in the EFL and frankly should have had more big matches than he has had.
Rarely courts controversy and after his very serious injury many years ago, he’s has been quietly going about his business with little fuss.
May I ask what was his very serious injury a while ago?
Charlton v Peterborough in 2011. He was stretchered off with his leg in a splint.
I’m pretty sure he snapped his Achilles but I’m happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
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Very surprised that no SG1 ref for the big game at turf moor.
David Webb highly thought off.
David Webb has been a very reliable stalwart in the EFL and frankly should have had more big matches than he has had.
Rarely courts controversy and after his very serious injury many years ago, he’s has been quietly going about his business with little fuss.
May I ask what was his very serious injury a while ago?
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Speaking of Mr Webb he was on my train back from away game in the National league in London with Gateshead and spotted as he walked past and he said hello and asked how we got on. I think we won that game
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Very surprised that no SG1 ref for the big game at turf moor.
David Webb highly thought off.
None of the games between the top 3 in the championship have gone to SG1.
James Bell, Josh Smith, Oliver Langford, Lewis Smith, David Webb x2
I know these are massive games for the season but it’s good to see well performing SG2’s given their chance
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A Championship debut I assume for Emily Carney.
A key game at the bottom of the Championship for James Linington.
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David Webb far and away the top dog in SG2 this season. Maybe that Leicester-Southampton game will be his?
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Very surprised that no SG1 ref for the big game at turf moor.
David Webb highly thought off.
David Webb has been a very reliable stalwart in the EFL and frankly should have had more big matches than he has had.
Rarely courts controversy and after his very serious injury many years ago, he’s has been quietly going about his business with little fuss.
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Very surprised that no SG1 ref for the big game at turf moor.
David Webb highly thought off.
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Another great game for David Webb at the top of the table. Is it too late for him to go to SG1?
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