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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #30 on: Sun 09 Sep 2018 18:14 »
Thanks Boris - I thought you were the most likely person to have seen him in action. The best evidence would be a picture of him in the middle - that's likely to be hard to find although one will probably be found one day.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #31 on: Mon 10 Sep 2018 09:59 »
Quote from: Boris10 on Sun 09 Sep 2018 15:07
F Phipps was a regular in West Yorks/Lancs.
It does look quite like him-very often he sported a short moustache.
At the risk of going off at a tangent I am intrigued by the concept of a short moustache.  Is this a moustache à la Hitler or couple of days' forgetfulness with regard to the top lip?
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #32 on: Mon 10 Sep 2018 18:57 »
Here is a very nice pre-match picture from a Villa-Everton game in 1988:

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The referee went on to have a very notable career on and off the pitch and I'm sure will be readily recognised by many people. As with the previous picture though my interest is more in the linesman. If the programme details are correct he would have been Jeff (JG) Smith of Stafford. He was appointed to the Referees List for 1991 but it seems had the unfortunate distinction of never refereeing a game - he was appointed to a Rochdale-York game but was replaced by John Lloyd and ultimately did not appear in the FL middle, apparently due to injury.

Again it's unlikely anyone came across Jeff Smith in his refereeing career but if anyone did they might be able to confirm if the pictured linesman was him.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #33 on: Mon 10 Sep 2018 19:19 »
The ref looks like Philip Don to me and if I hadn't been told otherwise, I would have said that linesman Jeff Smith was in fact tennis player Tim Henman.  Perhaps that's why he disappeared from the football scene!
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #34 on: Fri 14 Sep 2018 18:33 »
A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the teams but who are the opponents and the referee?

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The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester (similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit either team.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #35 on: Sat 15 Sep 2018 17:56 »
Quote from: Left Field on Fri 14 Sep 2018 18:33
A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the teams but who are the opponents and the referee?

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The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester (similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit either team.

Roger Dilkes?
(No idea about the opposition)
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #36 on: Sat 15 Sep 2018 23:20 »
I don't recall Roger Dilkes ever unbearded as a referee. This referee appears to be carrying a fair bit of timber but he rings no bells at all for me. Note to Lino with orange flag; a hand in the pocket looks incredibly sloppy and unprofessional. In his defence, he might have been pulling out a handkerchief or replacing a coin at the moment the photograph was taken but it certainly doesn't look good.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #37 on: Sun 16 Sep 2018 11:51 »
To return to F.Phipps.I certainly didn't see him referee,but saw him on the line many times.His moustache was not as Herr Shicklegruber but just a normal [?]growth[digging a pit here]as opposed to a twirly growth et al.
He always was designated as from Upton,near Chester,although they are virtually the same place.
As a linesman,usually good-up with play etc.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #38 on: Sun 16 Sep 2018 14:58 »
Quote from: Left Field on Fri 14 Sep 2018 18:33
A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the teams but who are the opponents and the referee?

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The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester (similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit either team.
I can't help with the ref but this picture appears on the front of a programme on ebay for the Norwich v Shrewsbury League Cup tie 2nd rd 2nd leg, played at Carrow Road on 3rd Sept 1980. I think it can be assumed that the picture was taken before the start of the 1st leg tie played on 26th Aug 1980 which might explain the paucity of the crowd and the red seats. A West Midlands ref such as Civil or Hamil (but not Seville) could fit the profile but no idea who. 
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #39 on: Sun 16 Sep 2018 16:36 »
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Sun 16 Sep 2018 14:58
Quote from: Left Field on Fri 14 Sep 2018 18:33
A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the teams but who are the opponents and the referee?

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The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester (similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit either team.
I can't help with the ref but this picture appears on the front of a programme on ebay for the Norwich v Shrewsbury League Cup tie 2nd rd 2nd leg, played at Carrow Road on 3rd Sept 1980. I think it can be assumed that the picture was taken before the start of the 1st leg tie played on 26th Aug 1980 which might explain the paucity of the crowd and the red seats. A West Midlands ref such as Civil or Hamil (but not Seville) could fit the profile but no idea who.

Didn't Shrewsbury play in yellow and blue in those days ?
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #40 on: Sun 16 Sep 2018 19:00 »
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Sun 16 Sep 2018 14:58
Quote from: Left Field on Fri 14 Sep 2018 18:33
A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the teams but who are the opponents and the referee?

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The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester (similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit either team.
I can't help with the ref but this picture appears on the front of a programme on ebay for the Norwich v Shrewsbury League Cup tie 2nd rd 2nd leg, played at Carrow Road on 3rd Sept 1980. I think it can be assumed that the picture was taken before the start of the 1st leg tie played on 26th Aug 1980 which might explain the paucity of the crowd and the red seats. A West Midlands ref such as Civil or Hamil (but not Seville) could fit the profile but no idea who.


It's 100% not Shrewsbury. I think it's definitely Colchester, given their home kit in 1980/81 looked like that pictured: http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Colchester_United/Colchester_United.htm

And also, the ground pictured isn't Gay Meadow!

In those days, programme covers were printed in bulk and that same cover was also used for the Norwich v Stoke game on the opening day of the 1980/81 season (look it up on Ebay).

More likely, the image is from a pre-season friendly between Norwich and Colchester, which means the referee is likely to have been fairly local to Norfolk/East Anglia.

I've asked my Norwich mate whether Carrow Road had red seats at the time.

EDIT: Just had confirmation that the South Stand at Carrow Road once had red seats, so that's where it is.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #41 on: Sun 16 Sep 2018 21:55 »
Quote from: TVOS on Sun 16 Sep 2018 19:00
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Sun 16 Sep 2018 14:58
Quote from: Left Field on Fri 14 Sep 2018 18:33
A picture below from 1980. Norwich are clearly one of the teams but who are the opponents and the referee?

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The referee does have a familiar look about him. The game might be a pre-season friendly which could explain the thin attendance. I wondered if the opponents might be Colchester (similar strip) but the stadium with its red seats doesn't fit either team.
I can't help with the ref but this picture appears on the front of a programme on ebay for the Norwich v Shrewsbury League Cup tie 2nd rd 2nd leg, played at Carrow Road on 3rd Sept 1980. I think it can be assumed that the picture was taken before the start of the 1st leg tie played on 26th Aug 1980 which might explain the paucity of the crowd and the red seats. A West Midlands ref such as Civil or Hamil (but not Seville) could fit the profile but no idea who.


It's 100% not Shrewsbury. I think it's definitely Colchester, given their home kit in 1980/81 looked like that pictured: http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Colchester_United/Colchester_United.htm

And also, the ground pictured isn't Gay Meadow!

In those days, programme covers were printed in bulk and that same cover was also used for the Norwich v Stoke game on the opening day of the 1980/81 season (look it up on Ebay).

More likely, the image is from a pre-season friendly between Norwich and Colchester, which means the referee is likely to have been fairly local to Norfolk/East Anglia.

I've asked my Norwich mate whether Carrow Road had red seats at the time.

EDIT: Just had confirmation that the South Stand at Carrow Road once had red seats, so that's where it is.

Yep, and I'll guess at Steve Wignall, a subsequent very poor manager at Southend, for the player.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #42 on: Sun 16 Sep 2018 21:55 »
Thank you, ah well it was worth a try anyway  :D

It is not Ray Biggar but could it be Ian Borrett from Diss who became a FL ref two seasons later?
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #43 on: Sun 16 Sep 2018 22:13 »
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Sun 16 Sep 2018 21:55
Thank you, ah well it was worth a try anyway  :D

It is not Ray Biggar but could it be Ian Borrett from Diss who became a FL ref two seasons later?

It doesn't look like him. My Norwich mate is doing some digging.
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Re: Who was the referee? Appeals for information
« Reply #44 on: Mon 17 Sep 2018 08:47 »
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Sun 16 Sep 2018 21:55
Thank you, ah well it was worth a try anyway  :D

It is not Ray Biggar but could it be Ian Borrett from Diss who became a FL ref two seasons later?

It isn't Jimmy Borrett I am pretty certain unless he had suddenly put on a vast amount of weight ( or the camera angle gives the lie to his true proportions )
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