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I recall Keith Styles was not best pleased with his knife-wielding linesman! Keith refereed several times at Anfield over the years, so it is not possible to say which match it was and whether the linesman was new to the list or coming up to retirement. As you say, Keith was a small dapper man and a good ref. I think I saw him just once - Palace v Chelsea in Div 1 in Nov 1971 and he did well. I can find no trace of Keith on olddeagle's list of Final officials, so assume that he never made it to Wembley. Upton's shows that he refereed the 2nd leg of the Anglo-Scottish Final in Dec 1978, bizarrely between Burnley and Oldham, but that is imo scant reward for 14 seasons good service on the FL refs list.

He did referee the 1977 Charity Shield between Liverpool and Manchester United so that would seem to be his biggest honour.
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put this together and thought it would interest you. refs and attendances for all of palaces matches in 70/71 season.

Code: [Select]
15/08/1970 First Division K Howley [Teeside] 24,766
19/08/1970 First Division L Callaghan [Merthyr Tydfil] 33,118
22/08/1970 First Division D.Lyden [Birmingham] 27,287
25/08/1970 First Division K Burns [Dudley] 47,612
29/08/1970 First Division 13,469
02/09/1970 First Division W Castle [Dudley] 26,296
05/09/1970 First Division D Smith [Stonehouse] 26,510
12/09/1970 First Division N Burtenshaw [Great Yarmouth] 18,820
19/09/1970 First Division J.Finney [Hereford] 41,308
26/09/1970 First Division G Kew [Leeds] 43,463
03/10/1970 First Division G.Jones [Lancaster] 26,663
10/10/1970 First Division R Kirkpatrick [Leicester] 42,979
17/10/1970 First Division R Matthewson [Manchester] 28,330
24/10/1970 First Division R Johnson [Lowestoft] 41,486
31/10/1970 First Division H New [Portsmouth] 12,848
07/11/1970 First Division H Davey [Mansfield] 37,963
14/11/1970 First Division D Turner [Rugeley] 34,503
21/11/1970 First Division D Laing [Penwortham] 23,054
28/11/1970 First Division R Darlington [Runcorn] 22,605
05/12/1970 First Division E Wallace [Swindon] 19,344
12/12/1970 First Division H New [Portsmouth] 24,418
19/12/1970 First Division V Batty [Helsby] 21,740
09/01/1971 First Division P Partridge [Middlesbrough] 27,240
13/01/1971 First Division N Burtenshaw [Great Yarmouth] 40,489
16/01/1971 First Division H Williams [Sheffield] 28,253
30/01/1971 First Division F.Nicholson [Manchester] 20,233
06/02/1971 First Division E Jolly [Manchester] 23,482
17/02/1971 First Division K Styles [Barnsley] 25,521
20/02/1971 First Division A Morrissey [Bramhall] 24,114
27/02/1971 First Division D Nippard [Bournemouth] 20,436
06/03/1971 First Division H Williams [Sheffield] 26,157
13/03/1971 First Division G Kew [Leeds] 35,022
20/03/1971 First Division G Hill [Leicester] 31,871
24/03/1971 First Division R Crabb [Exeter] 16,646
27/03/1971 First Division 16,507
03/04/1971 First Division M Kerkhof [Bicester] 16,963
10/04/1971 First Division F.Nicholson [Manchester] 38,953
17/04/1971 First Division D Turner [Rugeley] 39,145
24/04/1971 First Division W Gow [Swansea] 28,619
26/04/1971 First Division 8,905
01/05/1971 First Division T Dawes [Norwich] 21,590
04/05/1971 First Division 15,980
02/01/1971 FA Cup N Burtenshaw [Great Yarmouth] 42,123
06/01/1971 FA Cup N Burtenshaw [Great Yarmouth] 55,074
09/09/1970 League Cup J Taylor [Wolverhampton] 16,525
14/09/1970 League Cup J Taylor [Wolverhampton] 8,911
07/10/1970 League Cup T Reynolds [Swansea] 16,988
28/10/1970 League Cup N Burtenshaw [Great Yarmouth] 40,451
09/11/1970 League Cup n.burtenshaw [great yarmouth] 45,026
18/11/1970 League Cup J Finney [Hereford] 43,241
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Whistleblower

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Most interesting mande70.  Some fine old names there representing a huge wealth of refereeing experience. I recall all of the gentlemen mentioned apart from Mr Laing

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Brilliant, thanks mande70. I'll have a detailed look at these over the next few days and provide some comments and/or fill some gaps if I can.

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yep when you see it put out as teams and what ref theyhad per match it makes for interesting reading.

interesting that palace had burtenshaw a few times that season, one of the reports didn't praise him to highly, saying he was incident prone through out his career. the one really good match he had that season was when palace knocked arsenal out the league cup.

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speaking of interesting facts, heres something i spotted while doing derbys season from 1970/71.

in 42 league games they had an incredible 38 different referees, taking into account their cup games they had 48 games in total with a total of 40 different refs.

Code: [Select]
15/08/1970 First Division E Wallace [Swindon]
19/08/1970 First Division N Burtenshaw [Great Yarmouth]
22/08/1970 First Division A Bone [Sunderland]
26/08/1970 First Division R Tinkler [Boston]
29/08/1970 First Division B Homewood [Sunbury-On-Thames]
02/09/1970 First Division R Capey [Madeley Heath]
05/09/1970 First Division P Walters [Bridgwater]
12/09/1970 First Division A Jones [Ormskirk]
19/09/1970 First Division R Challis [Tonbridge]
26/09/1970 First Division I Jones [Treharris]
03/10/1970 First Division R Darlington [Runcorn]
10/10/1970 First Division P Baldwin [Redcar]
17/10/1970 First Division C.Robinson [Manchester]
24/10/1970 First Division A Oliver [Leigh-On-Sea]
31/10/1970 First Division W Castle [Dudley]
07/11/1970 First Division V James [York]
14/11/1970 First Division R Barker [Crewe]
21/11/1970 First Division M Sinclair [Guildford]
28/11/1970 First Division J Taylor [Wolverhampton]
05/12/1970 First Division G Hartley [Wakefield]
12/12/1970 First Division H New [Portsmouth]
19/12/1970 First Division F.Nicholson [Manchester]
26/12/1970 First Division H Williams [Sheffield]
09/01/1971 First Division V Batty [Helsby]
16/01/1971 First Division I Jones [Treharris]
06/02/1971 First Division J.Finney [Hereford]
17/02/1971 First Division K Styles [Barnsley]
20/02/1971 First Division D Smith [Stonehouse]
27/02/1971 First Division D Laing [Penwortham]
06/03/1971 First Division R Matthewson [Manchester]
13/03/1971 First Division R Challis [Tonbridge]
20/03/1971 First Division K Howley [Teeside]
27/03/1971 First Division
31/03/1971 First Division
03/04/1971 First Division R.Judson [West Kirby]
07/04/1971 First Division R Johnson [Lowestoft]
10/04/1971 First Division P Partridge [Middlesbrough]
12/04/1971 First Division R Tinkler [Boston]
17/04/1971 First Division K Walker [Ashford]
24/04/1971 First Division V James [York]
27/04/1971 First Division
01/05/1971 First Division C Howell [North Shields]

02/01/1971 FA Cup K Styles [Barnsley]
23/01/1971 FA Cup K Howley [Teeside]
13/02/1971 FA Cup D Corbett [Wolverhampton]
08/09/1970 League Cup P Partridge [Middlesbrough]
07/10/1970 League Cup T Dawes [Norwich]
27/10/1970 League Cup E Wallace [Swindon]

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yep when you see it put out as teams and what ref theyhad per match it makes for interesting reading.

interesting that palace had burtenshaw a few times that season, one of the reports didn't praise him to highly, saying he was incident prone through out his career. the one really good match he had that season was when palace knocked arsenal out the league cup.

Yes, Norman Burtenshaw was a regular visitor to Selhurst Park and was usually welcome there. He was probably the fittest referee around at the time, and until top referees became full time professionals, I can only think of John Martin matching him for fitness. He was a character and I recall him joining in with the applause when Palace legend John Jackson pulled off a top drawer save in the drawn League cup tie v Arsenal. The replay of the same game at Highbury saw Norman in action again and was well remembered for a bizarre incident when Arsenal goalie Bob Wilson picked up the ball and was immediately challenged by a Palace player. It was a nothing situation but Bob then buried the ball (still in his hands) into the Palace player's face and the Arsenal players looked aghast as Norman quite rightly awarded a penalty. The score was 1-0 at the time and Palace's ace penalty taker Bobby Tambling duly made it 2-0, a final score which ultimately deprived Arsenal of the League, FA Cup and League Cup treble.

Jack Taylor refereed the earlier League Cup tie v Rochdale and it had to be said that he was utterly hopeless that night, a very rare off night for the great man.

Bill Castle, 2/9/70 CP v Blackpool brought about the famous headline "Queen in brawl at the Palace" when he (and he alone with his linesmen) failed to spot Gerry Queen's uppercut to a Blackpool player's jaw. Gerry was already starting to walk off before he realised that Bill had no idea what had gone on as the Blackpool player lay prostrate on the ground. How we laughed, particularly when Gerry scored a late winner in a game which turned out to have been fairly crucial at the end of the season.

Sorry, I still cannot plug any gaps, but I will keep thinking! And thanks again for this, mande70.

 

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Picture of a unknown referee at Portsmouth v Luton in April 1972. Norman Paget of Coventry was listed in the programme as referee but the pictured referee is not him:

https://twitter.com/FortheR93378109/status/1151448911510458368/photo/1

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Picture of a unknown referee at Portsmouth v Luton in April 1972. Norman Paget of Coventry was listed in the programme as referee but the pictured referee is not him:

https://twitter.com/FortheR93378109/status/1151448911510458368/photo/1

Looks a bit like D J Biddle (?Derek or Donald?-can't remember) of Bristol

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Picture of a unknown referee at Portsmouth v Luton in April 1972. Norman Paget of Coventry was listed in the programme as referee but the pictured referee is not him:

https://twitter.com/FortheR93378109/status/1151448911510458368/photo/1

Looks a bit like D J Biddle (?Derek or Donald?-can't remember) of Bristol

Yes, I would go along with Don Biddle of Bristol. Timing and geography are both correct for Don. A senior police officer if my recollections are correct.

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Thanks for the replies - it is Don Biddle. The red herring was the confusion with Luton's match at Portsmouth - the pictured game was a week earlier at home to Blackpool whose keeper was a young John Burridge. A picture of Don from a Wolves match in 1973 clearly shows the resemblance to the referee of the Luton-Blackpool game:

https://twitter.com/FortheR93378109/status/1151909367404474368/photo/1
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Don should have stuck to the more traditional referee's uniform as he wore in 1972. The one he is pictured wearing in 1973 does him no favours at all. I remember those outfits; they were ugly and uncomfortable in equal measure.

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Thanks for the replies - it is Don Biddle. The red herring was the confusion with Luton's match at Portsmouth - the pictured game was a week earlier at home to Blackpool whose keeper was a young John Burridge. A picture of Don from a Wolves match in 1973 clearly shows the resemblance to the referee of the Luton-Blackpool game:

https://twitter.com/FortheR93378109/status/1151909367404474368/photo/1

John 'Budgie' Burridge, now there's a name from the past. 768 games for 34 clubs (some more than once) in 29 years, including 88 games for the Palace, and a popular figure whilst he was at Selhurst Park.  ;D

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Picture of a unknown referee at Portsmouth v Luton in April 1972. Norman Paget of Coventry was listed in the programme as referee but the pictured referee is not him:

https://twitter.com/FortheR93378109/status/1151448911510458368/photo/1

Looks a bit like D J Biddle (?Derek or Donald?-can't remember) of Bristol
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Yes, I would go along with Don Biddle of Bristol. Timing and geography are both correct for Don. A senior police officer if my recollections are correct.
One of my favourite refs of his time. A detective chief inspector I believe, specialising in finger prints.
 
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Looking for the name of the ref in the middle of this picture, from an Anglo Scottish Cup tie in 1976.