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ajb95

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The Busby Babes’ final match on UK soil
« on: Thu 22 Apr 2021 10:11 »
Hi

Just on a clear out of my later Grandad’s old collections and have come across an old newspaper cutting of the Busby Babes’ final league match before that terrible disaster in Feb 1958.

From a newspaper 20 years on: “On 1 February 1958, Arsenal hosted reigning league champions Manchester United at Highbury. A massive crowd of 63,578 turned up to see the Busby Babes. They saw what has been described as “the greatest game ever seen” by those who were there. The thrilling game finished 5-4 in favour of the visitors. However, it would be the last time this talented young team were seen in England..”

From the Times: “When arsenal play as they did yesterday their most pungent critics remain silent. They were beaten by the a magnificent side but their spirit was unquestionable.”

In the programme which is absolute gold dust - Referee shown as G W Pullin from Bristol, and the linesman were C N English from Chelmsford and K R B Hale also from Bristol

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Gilbert Pullin
Charles English
Kenneth Hale
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This from olddeagle in October 2018:

Pullin always sticks in my memory because I saw him do Arsenal 4, Man Utd 5 at Highbury the week before Munich, the last time some of those lads played in England. I was only 7 so can't say I have any great recall of his performance.
Great photos, thanks for posting them. I can't find a programme on line to identify the linesmen, Spurs v Man City, but perhaps some Spurs supporters out there will have one?

https://ratetheref.createaforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8.0;attach=152


Gilbert' son got in touch with RTR around about the same time. His comments included:

"Thanks for the contact I was at the match, Spurs v Man City, what really happened was Dad gave a penalty to Tottenham with 1 min of the first half to go. Cliff Jones took some time to place ball this was in the 47min which meant in those days the penalty had to be taken to end the half. Jones took the penalty, Trautman parried the ball, Dad blew his whistle, Jones then put the ball into the net,answer no goal.
Dad was accepted onto the football league as a linesman now assistant in 1947 being promoted to the middle in 1951 and all the time never sent a player off, always saying its easy to send a player off, the hardest job was keeping them on.
Dad joined the GFA after starting his own league in 1962 and was Chairman up until his death in 1991. I served with him all that time, then took over from him in 1992 as Chairman/Secretary  up until May 2018 when due to lack of teams we decided to fold, a very sad day after some 55 years service. I still serve on the GFA as a FA trained Chairman, Cups Committee and also look after the 3G pitch which we have to brush twice a week. all as volunteer.
In 2013 I was awarded a 50 year award.
Hope this gives you some insight."

There is a picture of Gilbert with his linesman in civvies, one of whom I thought was Harry New, before the Spurs v Man City game.

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Hi

Just on a clear out of my later Grandad’s old collections and have come across an old newspaper cutting of the Busby Babes’ final league match before that terrible disaster in Feb 1958.

From a newspaper 20 years on: “On 1 February 1958, Arsenal hosted reigning league champions Manchester United at Highbury. A massive crowd of 63,578 turned up to see the Busby Babes. They saw what has been described as “the greatest game ever seen” by those who were there. The thrilling game finished 5-4 in favour of the visitors. However, it would be the last time this talented young team were seen in England..”

From the Times: “When arsenal play as they did yesterday their most pungent critics remain silent. They were beaten by the a magnificent side but their spirit was unquestionable.”

In the programme which is absolute gold dust - Referee shown as G W Pullin from Bristol, and the linesman were C N English from Chelmsford and K R B Hale also from Bristol

Thanks for that ajb95.  My very first visit to Old Trafford with a friend and his Dad was the season before Munich, and was also against Arsenal.  It was another high scoring and brilliant game.  From Wiki and United's 1956/57 season:

9 February 1957    Arsenal    H    6 – 2    Berry (2), Whelan (2), Edwards, Taylor    60,384

I expect someone could produce the Arsenal scorers and the referee. 

A wonderful memory.  I think my next visit was to the first match after Munich on 19th February with my father when United played Sheffield Wednesday in a FA Cup Tie; a very emotional occasion when United won 3-0.
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Alf Bond (Fulham) refereed the Sheffield Wednesday cup tie

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9 February 1957: Manchester U. vs Arsenal
Referee: F.B. Coultas (Hull)
Linesmen: R. Birkinshaw (Rotherham) & W.L. Bennett (Birmingham)

Both of Arsenal's goals were scored by Herd; Manchester U.'s goals were scored by Berry (2), Whelan (2), Duncan Edwards and Taylor.

Information from https://footballfacts.ru/match/463272-manchesteryunaytedmanchesterarsenallondon62

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9 Feb 1957 v Arsenal
Frank Coultas went on to referee that season's cup final, Ray Birkinshaw and Wilf Bennett were on the lines

David Herd gave Arsenal the lead after 5 mins and made it 2-2 after 37, he later played for M.U.
Bill Whelan 15 & 78, Jonny Berry 27 & 49 pen, Duncan Edwards 29, Tommy Taylor 57 with Berry also missing a late penalty, scored for M.U.
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So United even got 2 penalties in those days.

It was an unhappy Cup Final for United as they lost the match 2-1 and lost goalkeeper Ray Wood to a charge (some reports called it an assault) by Peter McParland who scored both Villa goals. It made for a somewhat controversial Final for Mr Coultas although challenges of that nature were more likely to be allowed in those days. 

Ironically, United suffered a similar fate the following year when Lofthouse barged Harry Gregg and ball into the net and Bolton won 2-0. That Cup Final of course was only a few months after the Munich disaster and was refereed by Jack Sherlock.
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So United even got 2 penalties in those days.

It was an unhappy Cup Final for United as they lost the match 2-1 and lost goalkeeper Ray Wood to a charge (some reports called it an assault) by Peter McParland who scored both Villa goals. It made for a somewhat controversial Final for Mr Coultas although challenges of that nature were more likely to be allowed in those days. 

Ironically, United suffered a similar fate the following year when Lofthouse barged Harry Gregg and ball into the net and Bolton won 2-0. That Cup Final of course was only a few months after the Munich disaster and was refereed by Jack Sherlock.

Indeed two acts of thuggery if you watch the old pathe highlights - they wouldn’t get away with that kind of foul play now

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But that was what was permitted at the time, not the referee failing to penalise it

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Referees of the 1950s – in this case Jack Sherlock, who had charge of the infamous 1958 FA Cup final, Bolton Wanderers v Manchester United.

United were still recovering from Munich; only four of Busby’s Babes in the Wembley line up.

Nat Lofthouse scored for Bolton in the third and 55th minutes, the second despatched both ball and United goalkeeper Harry Gregg firmly into the back of the net.

In 1964 in a hospital day room near Wigan, he encountered Sherlock. Both were recovering from renal tuberculosis.

The day room hadn’t television – “perhaps to aid concentration on our snooker” – though the ward had.

At one point, the youngest patient came hurtling through from the ward to advise that Sherlock was on television.
All concerned rushed through to witness grainy footage on one of the Cup’s most contentious moments.

Back in the day room, another patient – his accent suggesting a certain partiality – hadn’t quite grasped the point.
“It were a goal that. Oh aye, it were a goal. It were a good goal, that.”

Sherlock’s manner was modest, his voice low, his tones almost elementary.

“Yes, I thought so, too,” he said, “and I was the referee.”
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World Soccer, February 1966

It seems fairly certain now that FIFA will bring in legislation during 1966 to prohibit charging the goalkeeper. In effect, an unwritten law to this extent is already in force throughout the Continent and South America. Thus, Britain alone will be affected.

My own feeling is that the law is long overdue. Of course, there will be opposition to it. The health-and-moral-strength brigade will try to convince us that we are taking one more step towards the emasculation of the Briton, and his national game. Others will deplore the licence given to goalkeepers to hold up play by eternally bouncing the ball, while their forwards run into position, and their defence moves up to put the opposing forwards offside. Charging, these people will tell us, is historically "part of the game", which is undeniable.

It has existed in British football virtually from the beginning; the laws quite clearly permit it now. The goalkeeper may be charged within his own area, if he has both feet on the ground while in possession of the ball, and at any time when attempting to play the ball, in the penalty area - given the usual restrictions. In years gone by, certain British forwards were famous, or notorious, for their assaults on the goalkeeper. The most assiduous of them all was Harry Hampton, the Aston Villa and England centre-forward of pre first world war years; a relatively little fellow, whose aggression compensated for his lack of weight. He was even bold enough to launch himself against the Gargantuan Sheffield United goalkeeper, Bill "Fatty" Foulke. On one such occasion, Foulke somehow eluded him and Hampton, rushing in full pelt, ended upside down in the goal net, for all the world like a victim of a retiarius at the Colosseum. To his frantic appeals, Foulke turned a deaf ear. "Tha got oop there," he briefly responded, "tha can get thysel down!"

Now, there is a great deal of double think and hypocrisy in Britain over charging the goalkeeper. That is to say, our forwards do it at home, but they are very, very wary about doing it abroad. Tactically, in fact, they are playing under two different codes. In Britain, they know that charging the goalkeeper is countenanced. Abroad, they assume that it is not, and that they will be penalised if they do. Never is this more apparent than in certain European competitions, played on a home and away basis.

A British team which has left the goalkeeper cautiously alone in the first leg, played on, foreign soil, assaults him furiously when they play the return. I remember, particularly, a European Cup-Winners' Cup tie between Spurs and Slovan Bratislava. In the Slovan goal there was the excellent Wilhelm Schroif, who had helped Slovan to win the first leg. Almost from the kick-off at White Hart Lane, it became clear that Bobby Smith, the Tottenham centre-forward, meant to challenge, charge and bustle Schroif at every opportunity. Some of his charges were fair; some, I seem to remember, were penalised. What was beyond doubt is that they utterly demoralised Schroif, who had a wretched game. Spurs won very easily.

The year 1958 produced two highly controversial instances of charging the goalkeeper, each of them involving Nat Lofthouse, the Bolton Wanderers and England centre-forward, each of them taking place at Wembley. In the Cup Final, that May, he hit the Manchester United goalkeeper, Harry Gregg, squarely amidships while Gregg was still in the air, knocking both of them into the net. The referee, most dubiously, awarded a goal. To many of us, it seemed, first that Gregg did not have both feet on the ground, as the laws prescribe; secondly, that Lofthouse was manifestly going for the man, rather than the ball - which was in any case being hugged well out of his reach. Lofthouse maintained at the time that he was, in fact, going for the ball, but the consensus, in the intervening years, is solidly in favour of a foul charge. It was certainly a most displeasing and unsatisfactory way to decide a Cup Final.

Many were reminded of the still worse incident the previous year, when a disgraceful charge by Peter McParland, the Aston Villa left-winger, who had no chance of getting the ball, severely _ injured Ray Wood, Manchester United's goalkeeper, who had to play out of goal for the remainder of the match. But to return to Lofthouse, his second harrying of a Wembley goalkeeper took place that autumn, when England played Russia. It was Lofthouse's final game for England, and a superb one. But there is no question that it was facilitated by the way his charges demoralised Belayev, the young Russian goalkeeper, standing in for Yachin. After a few such challenges, it was apparent that Belayev's confidence had gone, that he was looking for Lofthouse out of the corner of his eye, every time he went up for a high ball.

We come now to another powerful argument in favour of changing the rule; the infinite trouble it can cause between British and foreign teams. There is no question that European and South American players, conditioned to regard the goalkeeper as sacrosanct, are simply enraged by an assault upon him. We saw as much when Chelsea, this season, played at home to Wiener Sportklub in an lnter Cities Fairs Match. Szanwald, the Austrian international 'keeper, actually kicked out at the players who charged him and the rest of the game was overshadowed by the incident. Fouls proliferated, till at last another veteran Austrian international, Knoll, was sent off the field. All this seems a heavy price to pay to preserve the so-called "virility" of football.

The writing should have been on the wall in 1949, after the disgraceful incidents in a match between Arsenal and Flamengo, in Rio. Arsenal, making a first and most distinguished tour of Brazil, found themselves in the middle of a holocaust when little Bryn Jones charged the Flamengo goalkeeper. At once, a couple of players attacked him, then police ran on to the field, and beat him on the head with their truncheons! There was no excuse for such excesses, but it was clear enough where charging the goalkeeper might lead.

It remains to deal with the argument that goalkeepers will now be permitted to hold up play. Beyond argument, this can and does happen. Anyone who has consistently watched football on the Continent will know how a game can die for half a minute, while a self-indulgent goalkeeper musingly and wearily bounces the ball to the edge of his penalty box, unchallenged by any forward. But this does not happen very often, football in South America and Europe seems to be going on reasonably enough, despite it, and in any case, there is a perfectly clear remedy in the laws, which F.l.F.A. could stress. For a goalkeeper who wastes time in this way is manifestly guilty of ungentlemanly conduct, allowing a referee to award against him an indirect free kick. Once it became internationally known that referees could and would do this, I do not think the problem would be one of any gravity.

Finally, it seems to me that charging the goalkeeper really became a fiasco in 1951, when the new law on obstruction was brought in. Previously, we were all very familiar with the photographs of defenders; arms outspread, keeping aggressive forwards from their goalkeeper. Now, such conduct rates a free kick for obstruction; a desperately frustrating and even exacerbating situation for a defence. Charging the goalkeeper, then, must go, and the sooner the better. And if it is, or was, an integral part of the game, then so, once upon a time, was hacking...

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Just come across the Busby Babes first home match in Europe against Anderlecht at Maine road in 1956 - a 10-0 thrashing.
The programme lists a Sandy Griffiths (Wales) as referee

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Benjamin Mervyn "Sandy" Griffiths (Abertillery)

F.A. Cup Final 1953

World Cup Finals 1950, 1954, 1958 (SF at each)

Line at W.C. final 1954

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Kenneth Hale was my grandad, he considered it the best match he officiated in. Still have his original copy of the program and clippings of the disaster.
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