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European Cups - linesmen queries
« on: Thu 26 Oct 2023 16:24 »
Hi

Looking for help on the following linesmen from European competition matches:

03/10/1973 E1 Liverpool v Jeunesse d'Esch
One of the Swedish linesmen listed in the match programme is Per-Olof Callh. I’ve not been able to verify this name. Callh doesn’t sound very Swedish. Can anyone help?

22/10/1975 E2 FK Ararat Yerevan v West Ham United
One source I’ve found for one of the West German linesmen is Gerhard Bachmann. I’ve not been able to verify this name. Can anyone help?

27/09/1978 E1 Liverpool v Nottingham Forest
One of the French linesmen listed in the match programme is Clement. I not been able to find a forename. It is possible that this is in fact the forename and not the surname? Can anyone help?

18/03/1981 E2 FK Dinamo Tbilisi v West Ham United
One source I’ve found for one of the West German linesmen is H. Daicher. I’ve not been able to verify this name. It is possible the ‘H’ stands for Herr and not necessarily the initial of the forename. Can anyone help?
 
30/09/1981 E3 Arsenal v Panathinaikos
One of the Austrian linesmen listed in the match programme is G. Lind. I’ve not been able to verify this name. There were around this period two officials named Günther Lindner and Günther Bind. Can anyone help?
https://www.sport.de/fussball/pe250336/guenther-lindner/oesterreich-bundesliga/spiele-als-schiedsrichter/
https://www.weltfussball.de/schiedsrichter_profil/guenther-bind/1/2/

04/11/1981 E3 Sporting Clube de Portugal v Southampton
One source I’ve found for one of the Swiss linesmen was Hansrudi Jakober. I’ve not been able to verify this name. There was an official around this time named Hans Jaberg. Can anyone help?
https://www.sport.de/fussball/pe586034/hans-jaberg/schweiz-super-league/se37968/1975-1976/spiele-als-schiedsrichter/

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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #1 on: Thu 26 Oct 2023 19:56 »
Per-Olof Callh (Uppsala, Sweden)
« Last Edit: Thu 26 Oct 2023 20:35 by John Treleven »

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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #2 on: Thu 26 Oct 2023 20:08 »
Thanks John for the confirmation.
Do you have a link or a source for this?
 

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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #3 on: Thu 26 Oct 2023 20:37 »
He turns up a couple of times in the history of Hammarby matches
https://www.hammarbyfotboll.se/hammarby-fotboll/historia/

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« Last Edit: Thu 26 Oct 2023 20:41 by John Treleven »

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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #5 on: Fri 27 Oct 2023 14:52 »
He turns up a couple of times in the history of Hammarby matches
https://www.hammarbyfotboll.se/hammarby-fotboll/historia/

It may just be me but I couldn't find anything on the quoted link. However, I did find confirmation of the spelling on this site:
https://hifhistoria.se/

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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #6 on: Sat 28 Oct 2023 12:18 »
https://www.eurocups-uefa.ru/

I hadn't been aware of this website. It looks interesting.

I've been able to locate data for the Cup Winners Cup and European Cup (pre Champions Legaue) but can't find Champions League or UEFA Cup. Do I have to signup/register? Can anyone help or provide links.

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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #7 on: Sun 29 Oct 2023 10:52 »
I’ve managed to find a way to locate the European Cup, Champions League and UEFA Cup matches now.

I have been researching the linesmen for matches involving English clubs in Europe and it looked like this website had exactly what I was looking for those that I was missing. Since circa 2000 the UEFA.com website has provided this information over the years, although they aren’t all available in its current format. It is the 1990’s period (post Heysel return) that I was looking for. Some of this I had obtained at the time directly from UEFA (during the pre-internet era), although it is incomplete, and others via match programmes / teamsheets etc.
 
I had hoped it would be just a case of filling in the blanks. However, when comparing the data on this website with what I already held I noted many differences, which doesn’t fill me with confidence of its accuracy. Whilst I accept changes can occur from those published in advance in a programme there just seems to be too many.

A few examples:

21/08/91 SV Sparkasse Stockerau v Tottenham
The below link has Marc Huguenin, Alain Gourdet (FRA)
https://www.eurocups-uefa.ru/cwc/cwc1992/14147-2-sv-stockerau-aut-tottenham-hotspur-eng-01.html
UEFA gave me Bluet and Kremer – see attached scan

27/09/1994 Newcastle v Antwerp
The below link has Tore Aaland, Erik Ræstad (NOR)
https://www.eurocups-uefa.ru/uec/uec1995/18163-103-newcastle-united-eng-royal-antwerp-fc-bel-52.html
UEFA gave me Aaland and Engebretsen – see attached scan

10/04/1991 – Legia Warsaw v Manchester United
The below link has Léon Schelings, Michel Piraux (BEL)
https://www.eurocups-uefa.ru/cwc/cwc1991/16618-59-legia-warszawa-pol-manchester-united-eng-13.html
The attached teamsheet has Marcel van Langenhove and Christian Dombret

03/11/1993 – Galatasaray v Manchester United
The below link has Živanko Popović, Ernst Felder (SUI)
https://www.eurocups-uefa.ru/ucl/ucl1994/13669-63-galatasaray-tur-manchester-united-eng-00.html
The attached teamsheet has Popovic and Pulfer

03/11/1993 – Norwich v Bayern Munich
The below link has Stany Op De Beeck, Marc Van Den Broeck (BEL)
https://www.eurocups-uefa.ru/uec/uec1994/18022-90-norwich-city-eng-bayern-munchen-ger-11.html
The attached programme has Matthys and Van Broeck (which should be Van den Broeck)

15/09/1993 – Norwich v Vitesse
The below link has Gerhard Gerstenmayer, Roman Kollmann (AUT)
https://www.eurocups-uefa.ru/uec/uec1994/18007-28-norwich-city-eng-vitesse-ned-30.html
UEFA gave me Gerstenmayer and Pikner

02/03/1994 – Torino v Arsenal
The below link has Alain Gourdet, Jacques Poudevigne (FRA)
https://www.eurocups-uefa.ru/cwc/cwc1994/16649-70-torino-fc-ita-arsenal-fc-eng-00.html
The attached teamsheet has (Bernard) Marek and (Claude) Malavaux

I will try to contact the website to see if they can explain the differences or where their information came from but it is really just to give a heads-up to anyone using this site that alternative verification may need to be sought.

If anyone has any thoughts or comments please let me know.




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« Reply #8 on: Sun 29 Oct 2023 10:57 »
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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #9 on: Sun 29 Oct 2023 12:35 »
The data on assistant referees on this site is incorrect, especially in the 90s.

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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #10 on: Sun 29 Oct 2023 19:52 »
Hi Stepan

Thank you so much for confirming this.

Unfortunately, it does mean I will have to amend my data, which means I now have more gaps than I first thought, but it is better to have this than have something that is definitely incorrect.

Do you happen to know why there is so much unreliable data?
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Re: European Cups - linesmen queries
« Reply #11 on: Fri 10 Nov 2023 06:28 »
I van confirm the refereeing tesm in the Newcastle United - Royal Antwerp (27.09.1994) match as;

Referee: Rune Pedersen (Moss)
AR1: Tore Aaland (Hörte)
AR2: Morten Engebretsen (Sörumsand)
4O: Tom Henning Övrebö (Oslo)
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