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Timbo

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Norman Burtenshaw
« on: Wed 24 Jun 2020 17:34 »

Norman Burtenshaw

Dave McKay of Tottenham Hotspur confronts Billy Bremner of Leeds United during a game on 22 August 1966 as referee Norman Burtenshaw intervenes :-

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But is Norman wearing white stockings, or has he got very long white turnovers ?

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Re: Norman Burtenshaw
« Reply #1 on: Wed 24 Jun 2020 19:41 »
Looks like white socks to me.
That aside only the brave or foolhardy would mess with Dave McKay. Have to admit Bremner looks s*** scared! 💩

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Re: Norman Burtenshaw
« Reply #2 on: Thu 25 Jun 2020 05:16 »
Indeed McKay looks extremely unhappy, but it was a very warm afternoon as I recall as I was at that match, which could help partly explain tempers flaring. On the socks, I remember Burtenshaw usually wearing socks with very long white turnovers and only swopped to the other extreme in the latter part of his career. As I started refereeing a few years after this picture was taken, I always thought the long turnover looked a bit ridiculous but in this case you could argue it helped differentiate between the Spursí socks of dark blue and white. Apart from physical characteristics Timbo (thinking back to your previous post), turnover length was often a way to recognise referees - Roy Capey started wearing socks where black would reappear at the top of the sock, as did Gordon Hill after the FA/FL stopped him wearing all black.

Oh dear re-reading this makes me sound eccentric to put it politely, but your post and the picture just prompted some distant memories so apologies!


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Re: Norman Burtenshaw
« Reply #3 on: Thu 25 Jun 2020 08:54 »
Norman was never a shrinking violet and there is a wonderful picture in his autobiography of him wading into the fray of a fight between Speight of Sheffield United and Hatton of Birmingham City, something which would definitely not happen nowadays. I wonder whether Norman is still around, he would certainly be the oldest surviving FA Cup Final ref if he is. He was a regular and usually welcome visitor to Selhurst Park.

Socks - interesting whether these are white socks or black with long white turnover. I have to say I don't recall Norman being a long white turnover man, and photos in his autobiography certainly don't suggest he was at any time, so maybe these were one-off white socks for some reason. I remember the Gordon Hill saga as he turned up at Selhurst Park for a match wearing purple socks. Perhaps unsurprisingly these disappeared from the scene immediately after.

Uniforms - the change from 1950s/1960s outfits started in the early 1970s and was led by Clive Thomas, with Ken Baker being one of the last to change. Neil Midgley was one of the first to wear all-black socks (with the tiniest bit of white pattern at the top) and these were on display in the 1985 League Cup Final. Neil was also one for wearing his shirt outside his shorts, another practice which of course we don't see nowadays. 

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Re: Norman Burtenshaw
« Reply #4 on: Thu 25 Jun 2020 14:12 »
Brave indeed of Norman to intervene in a dispute between Bremner and Mckay.  I hadn't  heard about the episode between Speight and Hatton but he did come off worst at the hands of Millwall fans when Villa had the temerity to win at The Den. I am not sure if he wasn't  knocked unconscious at the end of the game but the unseemly episode did nothing to enhance the reputation of the so called fans of the East London side.
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Re: Norman Burtenshaw
« Reply #5 on: Thu 25 Jun 2020 14:57 »
I believe Norman, now 94, is still with is and is to be found at Benhall, Saxmundham, Suffolk
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