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Ted Best 2

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I wonder if anyone can help with the following?
Below is a list of Welsh officials who were linesmen in a European club competition match involving English clubs. I am looking for the missing forenames (in BOLD). The information was obtained from the match programmes. In some cases there isnít a lot to go on especially where the town of residence wasnít recorded.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

26/09/1956 Manchester United v Anderlecht -   M.A. JonesT. Williams
04/10/1961 Nottingham Forest v Valencia Ė  J. Marsh,  Kenneth R. Dodd
10/12/1963 Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur -   Thomas M. Parry (Prestatyn),  R. Parker (Wrexham)
10/01/1968 Hibernian v Leeds United -   R. ParkerJ. R. Davis / Davies
21/05/1969 Newcastle United v Rangers - unknown
01/10/1969 Newcastle United v Dundee United -   D. W. D. Jones (Swansea),  L. L. Roberts
14/01/1970 Southampton v Newcastle United -   D. M. Morgan,  Leonard 'Len' A. Howells
30/09/1970 Linfield v Manchester City -  P. T. Beaumont (Fishguard),  Thomas M. Parry (Prestatyn)

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26/09/1956 Manchester United v Anderlecht -   Neville A. (not M.A.) Jones (Wrexham),  Thomas "Tom" Williams (Dyserth, Rhyl)
04/10/1961 Nottingham Forest v Valencia Ė  John Marsh (Llanfaes, Brecon),  Kenneth "Ken" R. Dodd (Wrexham)
10/12/1963 Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur -   Thomas "Tom" M. Parry (Prestatyn),  Roy Parker (Hope, Wrexham)
10/01/1968 Hibernian v Leeds United -   Roy Parker (Hope, Wrexham),  John R. Davies (not Davis) (Three Crosses, Gower)
21/05/1969 Newcastle United v Rangers - unknown (note referee was John Gow, not Leo Callaghan as given in programme) (lines not known)
01/10/1969 Newcastle United v Dundee United -   David W. D. Jones (Swansea),  Leslie L. Roberts (Llandudno)
14/01/1970 Southampton v Newcastle United -   David M. R. (add R.) Morgan (Ammanford, Carms),  Leonard "Len" A. Howells (Port Talbot)
30/09/1970 Linfield v Manchester City -  Peter T. Beaumont (Fishguard),  Thomas "Tom" M. Parry (Prestatyn)
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Ted Best 2

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Many thanks John for completing the missing names.

I have found a few pictures of Les Roberts on this site that may be of interest
http://www.soccerscrapbook.co.uk/les-robertss-collection/

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Re the missing officials for Newcastle v Rangers 1968-69

There were 34 Welsh officials on the F.L. list that season

5 were referees, 8 were linesmen who later became F.L. referees,
another 8 linesmen appeared in other European ties
plus a further 13 other linesmen not included above

Referees - Leo Callaghan, W. John Gow, J. Gerrard D. Lewis, Thomas "Tom" H.C. Reynolds, Clive Thomas

Linesmen, later Referees - John G.P. Davies, Jack (not John) Flye, Leonard "Len" A. Howells, Ronald "Ron" Jones, James "Jim" F. Orpin, Gwyn P. Owen, Kenneth "Ken" Sweet, John D. Williams

Linesmen who appeared in other European matches - Peter T. Beaumont, John R. Davies, Kenneth "Ken" R. Dodd, David W.D. Jones, D. Maldwyn R. Morgan, Roy Parker, Thomas "Tom" M. Parry, Leslie L. Roberts

Linesmen - L.J. Davies (Ammanford), Roy Dunford (Neath), Gordon L. Harrhy (Newport), Gerald D. Hellier (Cardiff), James "Jim" Helps (Swansea), T.J. Hopkins (Pontypridd), G.C. James (Newport), T. Jenkins (Swansea), R.R. Jones (Wrexham), Victor "Vic" A. Lewis (Bridgend), Douglas "Doug" A. Munday (Tredegar), C.M. Smith (Wrexham), Robert G. Thomas-Evelyn (Rhuddlan, Flint)

Anyone have first names for Davies, Hopkins, James, Jenkins, Jones, Smith?

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21/05/1969 Newcastle United v Rangers - John D. Williams (Wrexham) & Gerald D. Hellier (Cardiff)

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Great work John. Many thanks

Can I just ask where you were able to obtain the missing linesmen from for the Newcastle v Rangers game?

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It would appear that the programme's centre pages with the line ups and officials (Callaghan & two blanks) were printed earlier than other pages as they contain a "stop press" giving Gow as the referee and the two linesmen listed above

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Just for reference D.M.R. Morgan of Ammanford was actually known by his middle name Maldwyn.