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Iorwerth Price Jones
« on: Mon 14 Sep 2020 15:42 »
On the old forum I had a query in relation to Iorwerth Price Jones and matches he refereed (or may not have) in European club competition.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ratetheref/iorwerth-p-jones-t14204-s10.html#p174766

To summarise there are twelve matches which are attributed to Jones (Wales) between 1967-68 and 1974-75.

We established Iorwerth Jones was a Football League referee between 1966-67 and 1974-75, which fitted in nicely with the above time frame.  We also had confirmation of a Ronald Jones who wasn’t a Footaball League referee until 1975-76 although he had been a suplimentory referee in the two seasons prior to this.

UEFA make no distinction in their records between I.P. Jones and R. Jones and just have Jones.

In conclusion I felt that all twelve matches should be attributed to Iorwerth.  However, I am now not quite sure.

I have come across a picture of the officials for the European Cup quarter final match between Vorwärts Berlin and Feyenoord (04/03/1970). 

https://www.alamy.com/vorwarts-berlin-against-feyenoord-1-0-in-europe-cup-i-referee-ken-jones-and-border-judges-from-wales-date-march-4-1970-location-great-britain-wales-keywords-brongenrighers-referees-sport-football-institution-name-feyenoord-vorwarts-berlin-image341344050.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=60802EA3-9EF0-4B11-AEE8-6C4CB419CCD6&p=1239746&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dken%2520jones%26qt_raw%3dken%2520jones%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d

Incidentally the picture states the referee was Ken Jones?

I have two other pictures of Iorwerth I have obtained, which are attached.  In addition, in this link provided by Oldeagle there is another picture of Iorwerth (about two thirds down).

https://go.skimresources.com/?id=11082X693941&isjs=1&jv=14.2.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tapatalk.com%2Fgroups%2Fratetheref%2Fiorwerth-p-jones-t14204.html&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.treharrisdistrict.co.uk%2Ftreharris-areas%2Ftrelewis%2Fhistory%2F&xguid=97ecdee74f82b30af7555c5f6f626908&xs=1&xtz=-60&xuuid=d6d778fb0a6f28c488e69ad93a51cff8&xjsf=other_click__auxclick%20%5B2%5D

Is the 1970 picture Iorwerth?

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« Reply #1 on: Mon 14 Sep 2020 17:45 »
This article suggests that Iorweth Price Jones "travelled behind the Iron Curtain to referee a match in East Germany" :-

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/retired-referee-iorwerth-jones-appears-1890056

Meanwhile, this article, which seems to describe Iorweth Price Jones' career chronologically, implies that "During 1970...." he "...was chosen to ref behind the Iron Curtain in East Berlin..." :-

http://www.treharrisdistrict.co.uk/treharris-areas/trelewis/history/

I believe that there is a strong facial resemblance between the referee in the Alamy photograph and your two smaller ones. However, I do have a problem with the full head of hair in the Alamy photograph, unless the two smaller ones are from quite some time later.   
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« Reply #2 on: Mon 14 Sep 2020 20:00 »
Many thanks Timbo for your reply.

The matches / venues mentioned in the Treharris District article tally with those included in the twelve Euro matches in question.

It was the hair that through me in the 1970 picture given that an earlier picture from 1967 shows much less hair.
https://leiden.courant.nu/issue/LLC/1968-11-28/edition/0/page/13?query=

I now think that perhaps a hair piece was in play !

Thanks again

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« Reply #3 on: Mon 14 Sep 2020 22:14 »
The clip of Iorwerth on the West Ham v Man Utd game in March 1969, as shown at the start of MOTD for a season a few years ago, shows a ref without a lot of hair  ;D

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« Reply #4 on: Tue 15 Sep 2020 08:58 »
My memory of him is as a rather gaunt figure with not very much hair but I can see the facial resemblance in the pictures so would happily go along with the hairpiece suggestion.
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« Reply #5 on: Tue 15 Sep 2020 12:02 »
I don't know if this is of any help.

But I've found these matches stating Iorwerth Jones as a referee.

07.12.1969 - Luxembourg - Bulgaria (World Cup qualifier) 1 - 3
12.05.1971 - Switzerland - Greece (UEFA Euro qualifier) 1 - 0
08.05.1973 - Northern Ireland - Cyprus (World Cup qualifier) 3 - 0
11.05.1974 - Scotland - Northern Ireland (British Championship) 0 - 1

UEFA Cup

27.09.1972 - BK Frem - FC Sochaux 2 - 1
25.10.1972 - UD Las Palmas - Slovan Bratislava 2 - 2
23.10.1973 - Olympique de Mareseille - 1. FC Köln 2 - 0
28.11.1973 - Fortuna Düsseldorf - Lokomotiv Leipzig 2 - 1
20.03.1974 - Vitória Setubal - VfB Stuttgart 2 - 2
18.09.1974 - FC Amstedam - Hibernians 5 - 0
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« Reply #6 on: Wed 16 Sep 2020 10:07 »
In case anyone wanted a full record of the European club matches Iorwerth refereed in addition to the six listed above the remaining six are as follows:

1967-68 European Cup Winners' Cup (20/09/1967) - FC Lausanne-Sports v Spartak Trnava
1968-69 European Cup Winners' Cup (27/11/1968) - 1. FC Köln v ADO Den Haag
1969-70 European Champion Clubs' Cup (01/10/1969) - Kjøbenhavns B v SL Benfica
1969-70 European Champion Clubs' Cup (04/03/1970) - Vorwärts Berlin v Feyenoord
1970-71 European Champion Clubs' Cup (05/11/1970) - Atlético Madrid v Cagliari
1974-75 European Champion Clubs' Cup (23/10/1974) - Cork Celtic v Ararat Yerevan
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« Reply #7 on: Thu 17 Sep 2020 18:17 »
The 1970 picture is of Iory (Iowerth) Jones. Usually he was seen with a thinning head of hair but occasionally earlier in his career with a full head of hair and one imagines he had some temporary "enhancement" in that area - he wasn't the only referee to do so in that era. The referee called Ron Jones was a much more junior official and as far as I know never refereed a European match although he was on the line a number of times. The reference to "Ken" Jones is a mistake.

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« Reply #8 on: Thu 17 Sep 2020 19:57 »
The 1970 picture is of Iory (Iowerth) Jones. Usually he was seen with a thinning head of hair but occasionally earlier in his career with a full head of hair and one imagines he had some temporary "enhancement" in that area - he wasn't the only referee to do so in that era. The referee called Ron Jones was a much more junior official and as far as I know never refereed a European match although he was on the line a number of times. The reference to "Ken" Jones is a mistake.

I recall that after Ron Jones was tragically killed, a newspaper article suggested that he had been pleased that he had refereed his first European match in Iceland the week before, but I have no other details. Ken Jones was a BBC commentator, was he not?

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« Reply #9 on: Thu 17 Sep 2020 20:20 »
The 1970 picture is of Iory (Iowerth) Jones. Usually he was seen with a thinning head of hair but occasionally earlier in his career with a full head of hair and one imagines he had some temporary "enhancement" in that area - he wasn't the only referee to do so in that era. The referee called Ron Jones was a much more junior official and as far as I know never refereed a European match although he was on the line a number of times. The reference to "Ken" Jones is a mistake.

I recall that after Ron Jones was tragically killed, a newspaper article suggested that he had been pleased that he had refereed his first European match in Iceland the week before, but I have no other details. Ken Jones was a BBC commentator, was he not?

He'd been due to referee his first European match around the end of September 1975, the car crash was a week earlier. Presuming the match was Akranes of Iceland v Omonia Nicosia of Cyprus his  place was taken by Tom Reynolds.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri 18 Sep 2020 07:35 »
The 1970 picture is of Iory (Iowerth) Jones. Usually he was seen with a thinning head of hair but occasionally earlier in his career with a full head of hair and one imagines he had some temporary "enhancement" in that area - he wasn't the only referee to do so in that era.
  F.M. (Ricky) Nicholson of Manchester was said to be another and in fact I believe there was a report that it once blew off during a match.  He was also famous for driving to matches in his Rolls Royce.
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« Reply #11 on: Fri 18 Sep 2020 08:17 »
Ronald "Ronnie" Jones of 20 Llwyn Estate, Deganwy, Conw(a)y, North Wales was killed, aged 37, along with three others, at Marlbrook, 10 miles North of Hereford, after refereeing Hereford United v Swindon Town on Wednesday 24th September 1975.

He was in his first "full" season on the league list having been a supplementary for two seasons.

He was due to officiate at Akrams (sic) v Nicosia (sic) on Sunday 28th September 1975.

Iorwerth Price "Iori" Jones of Treharris, Glamorgan, South Wales was 12 years older and had retired from the F.L. list the previous season
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« Reply #12 on: Fri 18 Sep 2020 15:21 »
The 1970 picture is of Iory (Iowerth) Jones. Usually he was seen with a thinning head of hair but occasionally earlier in his career with a full head of hair and one imagines he had some temporary "enhancement" in that area - he wasn't the only referee to do so in that era.
  F.M. (Ricky) Nicholson of Manchester was said to be another and in fact I believe there was a report that it once blew off during a match.  He was also famous for driving to matches in his Rolls Royce.

It blew off during a match at Newcastle (no surprises there perhaps), but I cannot remember which other team was involved. Mr P (? Peter) Wright of Northwich was apparently forced to discard a hairpiece during the Blackpool v Tottenham FA Cup tie on 5th Jan 1991. I tried to get a ticket for this game but failed, which was probably no bad thing as gale force winds hit the seaside resort that weekend and Spurs won 1-0 without breaking sweat.
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« Reply #13 on: Fri 18 Sep 2020 15:30 »
Thank you LF and JT for the information about Ron Jones and his first European game. I was obviously mistaken and the newspaper report must have said that Ron was happy to have been appointed to his first European middle rather than him having refereed it already. I always thought that a linesman was also killed in the car crash (a chap by the name of Ling?) but correspondence on the previous RTR site suggested that I was again mistaken on this. For understandable reasons, Ron and the mercifully few others who died during games have not been included on my Final Games database.

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« Reply #14 on: Fri 18 Sep 2020 18:04 »
Thank you LF and JT for the information about Ron Jones and his first European game. I was obviously mistaken and the newspaper report must have said that Ron was happy to have been appointed to his first European middle rather than him having refereed it already. I always thought that a linesman was also killed in the car crash (a chap by the name of Ling?) but correspondence on the previous RTR site suggested that I was again mistaken on this. For understandable reasons, Ron and the mercifully few others who died during games have not been included on my Final Games database.

You are quite close on the name AT. As well as Ron Jones three passengers sadly died in the crash, one of whom was called Peter Lang who was a local refereeing colleague of Ron Jones but not a Football League official.
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