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John Treleven

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Inter-War Years - Referees First Names?
« on: Fri 24 Jul 2020 11:51 »
Can anyone help with any first names?

1   Atherton   H      Newton Heath, Manchester   LAN   1928   1929
2   Bailey   L      Gorse Hill, Stretford, Manchester   LAN   1925   1926
3   Bateson   H      Leeds   YOR   1929   1932
4   Berry   H      Lockwood, Huddersfield (POST WAR)   YOR   1936   1940
5   Brown   J   S   Blackburn   LAN   1932   1936
6   Brown   L      Barnes, London S.W.13 (POST WAR)   LON   1937   1940
7   Bunting   J      Withington, Manchester   LAN   1930   1933
8   Butler   E      Chelsea S.W.10 (2) / West Norwood S.E.27 (2)   SUR   1922   1926
9   Cartlidge   H      Burslem, Stoke   STA   1929   1934
10   Chamberlain   T   W   Forest Gate, London E.7   LON   1926   1931
11   Clayton   H      Derby    DBY   1924   1926
12   Collinge   R      Sale   CHE   1924   1927
13   Collins   J   H   Yardley Wood (3) / Acocks Green, Birmingham (1)   WAR   1925   1929
14   Collins   T      Hull   YOR   1927   1928
15   Cooper   H      Barnsley   YOR   1921   1922
16   Cotton   T      Middlesbrough   YOR   1919   1920
17   Cousins   W      Todwick, Sheffield   YOR   1929   1930
18   Davies   D   J   Newport   MON   1931   1933
19   Davies   E   L   Bayford Hill, Wincanton (2) / Bristol (1)   SOM   1937   1940
20   Davis   A   F   Bishopston, Bristol   GLO   1923   1926
21   Dawes   A   A   New Horsted, Chatham / Millbank, London S.W. 1   KEN   1926   1930
22   Dawson   F      Willesden Junction, London N.W.10   MID   1922   1923
23   Dixon   W   H   Branston, Lincoln    LIN   1939   1940
24   Emmerson   J      East Finchley, London N.2   MID   1927   1930
25   Farrar   E      Harehills, Leeds (1) / Kirkstall, Leeds (2)   YOR   1921   1925
26   Fish   J   A           Forest Gate, London E.7   KEN   1920   1921
27   Fletcher   C      Davenham, Northwich (POST WAR)   CHE   1934   1940
28   Gray   H   E           Forest Gate, London E.7   KEN   1923   1932
29   Gray   L              Irthlingborough   NHA   1937   1938
30   Griffiths   H      New Sawley (3) / Long Eaton (1)   DBY   1921   1925
31   Hall   F              Darlington   DHM   1923   1927
32   Hall   P   A           Southfields, London S.W.18   SUR   1925   1926
33   Harrison   J      Sunderland (1) / York (3)   DHM   1933   1937
34   Hartley   H      Smithills, Bolton / Chelmsford (POST WAR)   LAN   1933   1940
35   Haworth   A      Blackburn (1) / Blackpool (3)   LAN   1925   1929
36   Holmes   J   S   Southport   LAN   1926   1927
37   Jackson   E      Timperley, Altrincham   CHE   1929   1931
38   Johnson   G      Effingham (POST WAR)   SUR   1939   1940
39   Jones   E   H   Bournemouth   HAM   1936   1938
40   Kavanagh   A      Middleton   LAN   1919   1920
41   Kelley   J      Harlesden, London N.W.10   MID   1925   1928
42   Kirk   H              Sheffield   YOR   1920   1921
43   Lowe   S   A           Liverpool   LAN   1919   1920
44   Mackenzie   S      Woodbridge, Suffolk (2) / R.A.F. Hucknall   SFK   1937   1940
45   Makin   A      St. Helens   LAN   1924   1925
46   Moore   H   W   Boston Spa / Halifax / York (POST WAR)   YOR   1939   1940
47   Perks   J   H   West Bromwich (4) / Tipton (1)   STA   1929   1934
48   Phipps   W      Tantany, West Bromwich   STA   1928   1932
49   Price   A   G           Dalston Lane, London E.8   MID   1928   1930
50   Rennie   J      Oldham   LAN   1925   1937
51   Richards   A      Bristol   GLO   1925   1927
52   Richards   W   H   Merthyr Tydfil   GLA   1920   1921
53   Robinson   F      Blackburn   LAN   1926   1936
54   Roscoe   J      Bolton   LAN   1927   1931
55   Rothwell   S      St. Annes on Sea, Lytham   LAN   1919   1924
56   Rudge   J   C   Charlton, London S.E.7   KEN   1923   1924
57   Shaw   J      Dringhouses, York     YOR   1930   1932
58   Smith   A   W   Acocks Green, Birmingham   WAR   1936   1937
59   Smith   J   C   Ashton under Lyne   LAN   1930   1936
60   Stewart   J      Litherland, Liverpool   LAN   1920   1923
61   Stubbs   J      Hathersage, Sheffield   YOR   1926   1927
62   Tate   J              Greetland, Halifax   YOR   1926   1931
63   Taylor   A      Lower Ince, Wigan   LAN   1929   1939
64   Taylor   H      Rotherham   YOR   1933   1937
65   Thompson   J   R   Newcastle   NUM   1922   1924
66   Timmins   A      West Bromwich   STA   1922   1926
67   Townsend   J   E   Birmingham   WAR   1924   1928
68   Tyler   H   G           East Ham, London E.6   ESS   1920   1922
69   West   C   P           Brighton   SUS   1934   1937
70   Wignall   A      Ashton under Lyne   LAN   1929   1930
71   Williams   J      Bolton (POST WAR)   LAN   1939   1940
72   Williams   T   H   Walton, Liverpool   LAN   1924   1925
73   Winter   J      Crewe   CHE   1920   1921

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Re: Inter-War Years - Referees First Names?
« Reply #1 on: Sat 25 Jul 2020 11:19 »

Andrew Taylor of 24 William Street, Lower Ince, Wigan is mentioned here :-

http://www.evertoncollection.org.uk/object?id=796%20EFC%2F1%2F1%2F18&p=328&z=2&q=Bury

R Collinge of Sale presumably had a son or nephew on the FL too :-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Third_Division_North_vs._South_Representative_Games
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Re: Inter-War Years - Referees First Names?
« Reply #2 on: Sun 26 Jul 2020 08:37 »
Thank you

Taylor was a train driver - that and being a referee - what more could a boy at that time want?

I have found about a dozen confirmed father/son or brothers so far with a few more as possibilities
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Re: Inter-War Years - Referees First Names?
« Reply #3 on: Sun 26 Jul 2020 21:22 »
Re.Mr Collinge,there was another-from Bolton,in the 1950's.Both the Collinges were visitors to PA at this time.Sorry,no further memories about these referees.

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Re: Inter-War Years - Referees First Names?
« Reply #4 on: Sun 26 Jul 2020 22:16 »
A good memory on PA matters as usual, Boris. F Collinge from Rochdale was a FL ref from 1955 to 1960 which coincided with the better known K A Collinge from Sale and Hale who refereed the first ever League Cup Final (1st leg) in 1961 and retired a year later.

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« Reply #5 on: Mon 27 Jul 2020 16:31 »
I think I know of a few first names on that list:

H.Cartlidge was Harry
H.Berry was Herbert
C.Fletcher was Clifford
H.Hartley was Harry
H.W.Moore was Harold

I didn't have time to look thoroughly through them all in detail, but there's a link to a page, where you might possibly find more (or maybe correct any of my errors, if you notice any)

https://public.tableau.com/views/DRDateChecks/REFNAMETEMP?:language=en-GB&:display_count=y&:origin=viz_share_link
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« Reply #6 on: Sat 13 May 2023 08:10 »
The Sports Argus printed some referees addresses at the start of the 1929/30 season

eg: Mr W Phipps was listed as 24 Clive Street, Tantany Estate (West Bromwich)

I don't know whether this helps to discover any more information about him, including his first name?

Nowadays, we're lucky if we hear which county they're from!

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« Reply #7 on: Sun 14 May 2023 16:07 »
If we have addresses, checking the 1921 census and the 1939 household register become possibilities, as well as the electoral register or voter's list.
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