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olddeagle

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Re: I spy old refs
« Reply #45 on: Sun 01 Dec 2019 14:34 »
However, Microscopist tells us that the mystery ref did the first match in the new Taipei stadium and the opposition was South Korea. This must I think take us to the qualifying rounds and not the finals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_AFC_Asian_Cup_qualification). If so,  the match in question was on 2 Sept 1956 between what is now called Taiwan and was then known as the Republic of China. South Korea won on aggregate and -again if Wikipedia is right-they played Hong Kong in the final stages on the 6th.  I'm afraid that as they used to say on Monty Python, my brain hurts.....

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Re: I spy old refs
« Reply #46 on: Sun 01 Dec 2019 16:37 »
You are getting close, the age is about right and the RAF connection is correct.  Perhaps if I tell you that in the Asian Nations Cup he refereed in the (then) newly built Taipei Stadium in 1956 as the stadium's opening game and the away team were South Korea.   I think that you will have to depart from Wikipedia to find him.

So not Capt C H Dennis who had a couple of seasons on the FL referees list from 1958 whilst based at South Merstham?

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Re: I spy old refs
« Reply #47 on: Sun 01 Dec 2019 17:49 »
I did try to steer you away from Wikipedia because I found it confusing with apparently different pages covering the same topic but with inconsistencies between them.  However, Whistleblower has identified two surnames, one of which is the person in question but with the wrong first name - as only one first name is given that identifies Tucker as the the surname.
If you had avoided wikipedia and gone instead to http://www.rsssf.com/tables/56asch.html then you would have found a singularly uninviting page which is difficult to read but seems to be more accurate.  There you would have found the following:
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2- 9-1956 Taiwan         1-2 South Korea    [HT 1-0]
             [Chu Wing-Keung 20' / Woo Sang-Kwon 66' pen, Kim Dong-Keun 79']
             [at Taipei Municipal Stadium, Taipei; kick-off 5pm; att: 20000]
             [Taiwan: Yung Poy-Dor (GK); Ng Wai-Man, Lau Yee; Tang Sum, Lau Tim, Kwok Shek;
                      Szeto Man, Yeung Wai-To, Chu Wing-Keung [c], Yiu Cheuk-Yin, Mok Chun-Wah.]
             [South Korea: Ham Heung-Chul (GK); Cha Tae-Sung, Park Jae-Sung [c]; Son Myung-Sup, Kim Jin-Woo, Kim Ji-Sung;
                           Choi Jung-Min, Sung Nak-Woon, Kim Yung-Jin, Woo Sang-Kwon, Kim Dong-Keun.]
             [Referee: Flying Officer Richard Tucker (Hong Kong).]
             [Coaches: Taiwan: Lai Shiu-Wing.  South Korea: Kim Sung-Kan.]

along with thgis:
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1- 9-1956 Hong Kong      2-3 Israel    [HT 1-1]
             [Au Chi-Yin 12' 67' / Yehoshua Glazer 37' 76', Nahum Stelmach 69']
             [at Government Stadium, Hong Kong; kick-off 5.45pm; att: 30000]
             [Hong Kong: Wai Fat-Kim (GK); Lee Ping-Chiu, Szeto Yiu; Luk Tat-Hay, Ko Po-Keung [c], Chan Chi-Kong;
                         Chu Wing-Wah, Lau Chi-Lam, Au Chi-Yin, Ho Cheung-Yau, Lam Kam-Tong.]
             [Israel: Yaacov Hodorov (GK); Shaul Matania, David Kremer; Moshe 'Jerry' Haldi, Itzhak Schneor [c], Binyamin Rabinovich;
                      Boaz Kofman, Nahum Stelmach, Yehoshua Glazer, Shmuel 'Papo' Israeli, Yosef Mirmovich.]
             [Referee: Jack Sheppard (Hong Kong).]
             [Coaches: Hong Kong: Tom Sneddon (Scotland).  Israel: Jackie Gibbons (England).]
and this:
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12- 9-1956 Israel         2-1 South Vietnam    [HT 2-0]
             [Nahum Stelmach 16' 28' / Trần Văn Nhung 'Pierre' 58']
             [at Government Stadium, Hong Kong; kick-off 6pm; att: 10000]
             [Israel: Yaacov Visoker (GK); David Kremer, Yehoshua Glazer; Moshe 'Jerry' Haldi, Itzhak Schneor [c], Binyamin Rabinovich;
                      Shmuel 'Papo' Israeli, Nahum Stelmach, Rehavia Rosenbaum, Eliezer Spiegel, Yosef Mirmovich.]
             [South Vietnam: Phạm Văn Rạng (GK); Nguyễn Vi Nhơn 'Waico', Dương Văn Quới; Trần Văn Ứng, Phạm Văn Hiếu, Lê Văn Hồ 'Myo';
                             Trần Văn Nhung 'Pierre', Đỗ Quang Thách, Đinh Văn Phải, Lê Hữu Đức [c], Nguyễn Văn Tư.]
             [Referee: Flying Officer Richard Tucker (Hong Kong).]
             [Coaches: Israel: Jackie Gibbons (England).  South Vietnam: none.]
             [Note: it is also reported that Nguyễn Văn Cụt played instead of Đinh Văn Phải.]

So Richard Tucker was the referee in the picture, though not at either of these two games.  I came across the picture partly through chance.  A friend of mine who knows my affinity for Manchester City often tells me of his brother-in-law who is similarly afflicted and lives in Sandbach - he in turn knows another City Fan who had set up a website and, as he had been a photographer, it is packed with Manchester City pictures.  Looking through this site I discovered that he had also been a referee and officiated at international matches whilst stationed in Hong Kong with the RAF.  I saw the picture on this web page - http://www.rtfract.com/soccgenrl.htm - and thought of I spy old refs - I'd miscalculated a bit on the dates as I thought perhaps some of the East Anglian contingent might have come across him.  By the time I realised I had, being a couteous chap, e-mailed him to ask if he minded my using the picture on the RTR website.  I got a lovely reply and he was going to check out the site.  He has published two books, one "The End of an Era" about Maine Road (and I'm hoping Santa has managed to source a version of this) and in 2015 "85 not out - and still clicking" from which you can estimate his current age.

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Re: I spy old refs
« Reply #48 on: Sun 01 Dec 2019 21:19 »
Thanks very much for an intriguing brain teaser and best wishes to Mr Tucker for many more years enjoying his football.

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Re: I spy old refs
« Reply #49 on: Mon 02 Dec 2019 07:20 »
So Mr Tucker was in his mid 20s when this photograph was taken