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« Reply #15 on: Sat 01 May 2021 09:10 »
Yes Arthur Luty leads with Gerald Ashby heading the unwanted list

I have not gone in for counting the actual days - just year of final to year of death

59   Arthur Luty
55   Charles Clegg
55   Noel Watson
55   Arnold Josephs
52   Stanley Rous
51   Sidney Wright
51   Reg Mortimer
50   Walter Buchanan
50   Norman Burtenshaw
   
6   Gerald Ashby
10   Francis Marindin
10   Aaron Scragg
13   Job Davies
14   Neil Midgley
14   Allan Gunn

The death of Aaron Scragg (Football League referee)

August 14, 1909

The sudden death of Mr. Aaron Scragg at Rhyl on Saturday caused quite a painful sensation among his large circle of acquaintances in Cheshire. It appears that Mr. Scragg was staying at Colwyn Bay with his wife and family, and on Saturday he spent the day with some friends at Rhyl.

He was apparently in his usual health, but having stayed longer than he anticipated he had to hurry to the station. When near the station he complained of pain in his side, and his friends told him not to hurry and went on ahead of him to detain the train. On their return they found that Mr. Scragg had collapsed. First-aid was rendered by ambulance men from Caerwys camp, and Dr. Jones was summoned, but on his arrival that gentleman pronounced life extinct.

Deceased held the important position of principal coal buyer to the London and North Western Railway Co., and appointment he had obtained by perseverance and sheer force of character. But he was more widely known by his connection with Association football, first as a player and latterly as official referee.

Mr. Scragg hailed from Scholar Green, near Kidsgrove. He commenced life as a pupil teacher and acquired a love for football during the time he was at the Chester College. Some thirty years ago he played for Golden Hill, and it was then that he first met Mr. C.J. Hughes, and formed what was a life-long friendship.

At the annual meeting of the Cheshire Football Association, Mr. Hughes, in presenting Mr. Scragg with a long service medal in recognition of his valuable services to the association as treasurer, mentioned that he was an enthusiast in those early days and played for all he was worth.

Twenty-one years ago he was elected a member of the Council of the association and he rendered inestimable service to county football by his ripe experience and thorough knowledge of the game. He became one of the most prominent referees in the country and the crowning honour of his career was when he was appointed to officiate in the English Cup Final.

He was one of the most earnest and active promoters of the Crewe Cottage Hospital Cup Competition, by means of which hundreds of pounds have been raised for the benefit of the hospital. During the time he was playing the game Mr. Scragg represented the country on several occasions, and he had lively recollections of visits to Norwich when they had to fight their way to the station. To quote his own words, they did not play drawing-room football in those days.

Mr. Scragg was exceedingly popular. He played for Crewe Alexandra at the time the Railway Club began to assert itself in the county. He was exceedingly popular with all classes of footballers and at one period his services were frequently requisitioned as referee in some of the most important matches, especially where there was great local rivalry, notably Everton v Liverpool and Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United. It was only at the recent annual meeting of the Cheshire F.A. that he practically retired from the game he loved so well.

Mr. Scragg was a member of the directorate of the Crewe Alexandra F.C. and the Alexandra Athletic Club recently did him the honour of electing him chairman of that flourishing organisation. He had been a member of the Football Association Council since 1893.

He had many amusing experiences when acting as referee. In one cup-tie between Chirk and Old Brightonians the players burst every ball the club possessed, and the game was finished with a ball borrowed from some boys half a mile away. On another occasion in the Potteries the secretary of a club surprised Mr. Scragg, who was refereeing, by rushing on to the field of play and kicking the ball through the goal for his own side.

Deceased was a typical all-round sportsman and his tragic death is deeply regretted by his many friends in the world of athletics. In politics Mr. Scragg was a staunch Conservative. He was interested in bowls and was a popular member of the Crewe Bowling Club.

He was 46 years of age.

The funeral takes place on Wednesday at Crewe.

(Source: Runcorn Guardian: August 18, 1909)

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« Reply #16 on: Sat 01 May 2021 10:32 »
Interesting stuff re.Arthur Luty.Coming from Leeds,I don't think I ever saw him,except ,perhaps,in a West Riding Cup game,but given his difficulties in getting time off from his job,that seems unlikely.
He seemed well built in photos etc and the Times[I think]reported that 'he was a referee with an infinite capacity for mime'in explaining his decisionsThis quote has always stuck in my mind for 60 years or more.
.To return to GC Kew-he also was from Leeds for many years.

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« Reply #17 on: Sat 01 May 2021 11:51 »
'Scragg' is a local Crewe name, and Aaron was one of three referees from Crewe to have refereed the FA Cup Final, J H Pearson (1911) and I Baker (1926) being the other two.

Sad to note Gerald Ashby, Neil Midgley and Alan Gunn from more modern times on the 'unwanted' list. Taken before their time in all three cases. RIP

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« Reply #18 on: Mon 03 May 2021 15:01 »
After refereeing a Leicester-Liverpool FA Cup tie in 1965 Arthur Luty said he couldn't do the replay because "I don't do midweek games". I wasn't sure at the time whether that was his choice or because of job commitments but earlier posts suggest the latter. Certainly not doing midweek games would have made an international career just about impossible and made some major domestic appointments very difficult as well. Sometimes we wonder why certain highly-respected referees didn't gain international status or more generally missed out on some domestic honours and it may have been linked to job or family commitments; in some cases some talented officials may not even have been able to reach Football League level because these commitments limited their appointments or meant they had to give up refereeing.

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« Reply #19 on: Mon 03 May 2021 15:53 »
After refereeing a Leicester-Liverpool FA Cup tie in 1965 Arthur Luty said he couldn't do the replay because "I don't do midweek games". I wasn't sure at the time whether that was his choice or because of job commitments but earlier posts suggest the latter. Certainly not doing midweek games would have made an international career just about impossible and made some major domestic appointments very difficult as well. Sometimes we wonder why certain highly-respected referees didn't gain international status or more generally missed out on some domestic honours and it may have been linked to job or family commitments; in some cases some talented officials may not even have been able to reach Football League level because these commitments limited their appointments or meant they had to give up refereeing.

Folks refusing to play or officiate on a Sunday was a big issue in the early 1970s.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon 03 May 2021 17:34 »
Sunday leisure and entertainment activities had long been constrained by successive Sunday Observance Acts which also prohibited the charging for admission to such events. One consequence of this was the introduction of "admission by programme" in order to circumvent the law. So if finding a programme for a Sunday fixture with a cover price considerably higher than expected for its time then this is the reason. It was also deemed in the religious areas of society unacceptable to partake in such activities on a Sunday, which was deemed a "day of rest". However amongst those that worked on Saturdays and supported their local teams later in the day Sundays became their day to play the game.

The Football Association long upheld the traditional view and did not officially recognise Sunday football, other than to place restrictions on it. Those that played or officiated in Sunday football were not allowed to participate in matches on other days of the week. Therefore many players and officials used false names when participating on a Sunday.

The F.A. gradually came around to reviewing the problems that this was causing , notably in the big cities where organised Sunday football was prevalent. In August 1939 it was proposed that they appoint a Sub-Committee to review the situation but war intervened and it was not until 24th September 1943 that the Committee members were actually appointed. One of these was Edward "Teddy" Eden, the F.A. Councillor for Birmingham, who was to spend the next 17 years persuading other F.A. Councillors to recognise Sunday football.

The majority opinion of the reviewing Committee was to ease the restrictions and allow Sunday play under certain conditions. These recommendations were put forward in October 1945 but those who opposed Sunday football had not been idle and had gathered sufficient support to have the initial proposals watered down and to be re-considered at the end of the season.

When re-considered in July 1946 these opponents won the day and so no changes were made, but resolutions continued to be made to the F.A. Council, without success, every year. The Council again shelved a decision in 1952 but Sunday football continued to grow and eventually in 1960 all restrictions were lifted. However the delay in reaching this decision had caused much bitterness amongst the players and officials of Sunday football.

Immediately set up was an Inter Cities Bowl competition held between the best Sunday clubs of Birmingham and London organised by the Secretaries of the Birmingham Festival League and the London Sportsman's Intermediate League. This was mistakenly referred to in some areas as the National Sunday Cup but it was intending to expand invitations to the clubs of Leicester, Leeds and Manchester when the F.A. Sunday Cup was launched.

The F.A. therefore needed to adopt, through its County Associations, a policy of slow assimilation, with the intent that the Sunday Leagues and Clubs would see the benefit of joining the F.A. fold, but there were still hard cores of resistance. Nevertheless the lifting of restrictions led to the spread of Sunday football to counties where it was previously unknown.

In 1964, with Teddy Eden now Chairman of the Committee responsible, the F.A. introduced a national competition to further encourage the spread of Sunday football. Due to the varying conditions under which it was played in different parts of the country the initial rules were based upon those of the F.A. County Youth Cup established 20 years before. County F.A.'s could enter a representative side drawn from their various clubs or nominate one of their clubs to represent them.

Sixteen counties entered with only London using a nominated club - Summerstown Athletic, near Wimbledon, and it was they that went on to win the inaugural competition. Teddy Eden, having seen the competition get successfully underway, died midway through the following season on 26th January 1966, aged 86, only two days after presiding at what was to be his final Sunday Football committee meeting.
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« Reply #21 on: Tue 04 May 2021 19:11 »
Sunday leisure and entertainment activities had long been constrained by successive Sunday Observance Acts which also prohibited the charging for admission to such events. One consequence of this was the introduction of "admission by programme" in order to circumvent the law. So if finding a programme for a Sunday fixture with a cover price considerably higher than expected for its time then this is the reason. It was also deemed in the religious areas of society unacceptable to partake in such activities on a Sunday, which was deemed a "day of rest". However amongst those that worked on Saturdays and supported their local teams later in the day Sundays became their day to play the game.

The Football Association long upheld the traditional view and did not officially recognise Sunday football, other than to place restrictions on it. Those that played or officiated in Sunday football were not allowed to participate in matches on other days of the week. Therefore many players and officials used false names when participating on a Sunday.

The F.A. gradually came around to reviewing the problems that this was causing , notably in the big cities where organised Sunday football was prevalent. In August 1939 it was proposed that they appoint a Sub-Committee to review the situation but war intervened and it was not until 24th September 1943 that the Committee members were actually appointed. One of these was Edward "Teddy" Eden, the F.A. Councillor for Birmingham, who was to spend the next 17 years persuading other F.A. Councillors to recognise Sunday football.

The majority opinion of the reviewing Committee was to ease the restrictions and allow Sunday play under certain conditions. These recommendations were put forward in October 1945 but those who opposed Sunday football had not been idle and had gathered sufficient support to have the initial proposals watered down and to be re-considered at the end of the season.

When re-considered in July 1946 these opponents won the day and so no changes were made, but resolutions continued to be made to the F.A. Council, without success, every year. The Council again shelved a decision in 1952 but Sunday football continued to grow and eventually in 1960 all restrictions were lifted. However the delay in reaching this decision had caused much bitterness amongst the players and officials of Sunday football.

Immediately set up was an Inter Cities Bowl competition held between the best Sunday clubs of Birmingham and London organised by the Secretaries of the Birmingham Festival League and the London Sportsman's Intermediate League. This was mistakenly referred to in some areas as the National Sunday Cup but it was intending to expand invitations to the clubs of Leicester, Leeds and Manchester when the F.A. Sunday Cup was launched.

The F.A. therefore needed to adopt, through its County Associations, a policy of slow assimilation, with the intent that the Sunday Leagues and Clubs would see the benefit of joining the F.A. fold, but there were still hard cores of resistance. Nevertheless the lifting of restrictions led to the spread of Sunday football to counties where it was previously unknown.

In 1964, with Teddy Eden now Chairman of the Committee responsible, the F.A. introduced a national competition to further encourage the spread of Sunday football. Due to the varying conditions under which it was played in different parts of the country the initial rules were based upon those of the F.A. County Youth Cup established 20 years before. County F.A.'s could enter a representative side drawn from their various clubs or nominate one of their clubs to represent them.

Sixteen counties entered with only London using a nominated club - Summerstown Athletic, near Wimbledon, and it was they that went on to win the inaugural competition. Teddy Eden, having seen the competition get successfully underway, died midway through the following season on 26th January 1966, aged 86, only two days after presiding at what was to be his final Sunday Football committee meeting.


Quite a few midweek afternoon leagues existed into the 1970s, such as the Manchester Wednesday League, the Liverpool Business Houses League and the Oxford Thursday League. The demise of half-day closing and factory closures caused by successive recessions generally saw such leagues fold.

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« Reply #22 on: Tue 04 May 2021 19:23 »
Sunday leisure and entertainment activities had long been constrained by successive Sunday Observance Acts which also prohibited the charging for admission to such events. One consequence of this was the introduction of "admission by programme" in order to circumvent the law. So if finding a programme for a Sunday fixture with a cover price considerably higher than expected for its time then this is the reason. It was also deemed in the religious areas of society unacceptable to partake in such activities on a Sunday, which was deemed a "day of rest". However amongst those that worked on Saturdays and supported their local teams later in the day Sundays became their day to play the game.

The Football Association long upheld the traditional view and did not officially recognise Sunday football, other than to place restrictions on it. Those that played or officiated in Sunday football were not allowed to participate in matches on other days of the week. Therefore many players and officials used false names when participating on a Sunday.

The F.A. gradually came around to reviewing the problems that this was causing , notably in the big cities where organised Sunday football was prevalent. In August 1939 it was proposed that they appoint a Sub-Committee to review the situation but war intervened and it was not until 24th September 1943 that the Committee members were actually appointed. One of these was Edward "Teddy" Eden, the F.A. Councillor for Birmingham, who was to spend the next 17 years persuading other F.A. Councillors to recognise Sunday football.

The majority opinion of the reviewing Committee was to ease the restrictions and allow Sunday play under certain conditions. These recommendations were put forward in October 1945 but those who opposed Sunday football had not been idle and had gathered sufficient support to have the initial proposals watered down and to be re-considered at the end of the season.

When re-considered in July 1946 these opponents won the day and so no changes were made, but resolutions continued to be made to the F.A. Council, without success, every year. The Council again shelved a decision in 1952 but Sunday football continued to grow and eventually in 1960 all restrictions were lifted. However the delay in reaching this decision had caused much bitterness amongst the players and officials of Sunday football.

Immediately set up was an Inter Cities Bowl competition held between the best Sunday clubs of Birmingham and London organised by the Secretaries of the Birmingham Festival League and the London Sportsman's Intermediate League. This was mistakenly referred to in some areas as the National Sunday Cup but it was intending to expand invitations to the clubs of Leicester, Leeds and Manchester when the F.A. Sunday Cup was launched.

The F.A. therefore needed to adopt, through its County Associations, a policy of slow assimilation, with the intent that the Sunday Leagues and Clubs would see the benefit of joining the F.A. fold, but there were still hard cores of resistance. Nevertheless the lifting of restrictions led to the spread of Sunday football to counties where it was previously unknown.

In 1964, with Teddy Eden now Chairman of the Committee responsible, the F.A. introduced a national competition to further encourage the spread of Sunday football. Due to the varying conditions under which it was played in different parts of the country the initial rules were based upon those of the F.A. County Youth Cup established 20 years before. County F.A.'s could enter a representative side drawn from their various clubs or nominate one of their clubs to represent them.

Sixteen counties entered with only London using a nominated club - Summerstown Athletic, near Wimbledon, and it was they that went on to win the inaugural competition. Teddy Eden, having seen the competition get successfully underway, died midway through the following season on 26th January 1966, aged 86, only two days after presiding at what was to be his final Sunday Football committee meeting.


Quite a few midweek afternoon leagues existed into the 1970s, such as the Manchester Wednesday League, the Liverpool Business Houses League and the Oxford Thursday League. The demise of half-day closing and factory closures caused by successive recessions generally saw such leagues fold.

There was a Thursday afternoon league in London as well (in the 1980s when I started refereeing).  A number of fire brigade teams and police teams participated - as well as works sides.  Plenty of "ringers" appeared as well.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue 04 May 2021 21:19 »
Jersey Caesarean League until 1977 on Thursday afternoons - half day closing

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Jersey Caesarean League until 1977 on Thursday afternoons - half day closing

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hat a wonderful name for a League associated with an Island I know very well.

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Caesarea was believed to be the Roman name for Jersey, although modern research questions it (it is pronounced Seas are rear, not like the birthing term!)
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Caesarea was believed to be the Roman name for Jersey, although modern research questions it (it is pronounced Seas are rear, not like the birthing term!)
Guernsey - Sarnia, Alderney - Ridunia

This forum is a mine of knowledge. The only Caesarea I had known previously was Caesarea Philippi but I guess many places were named in honour of the Emperor.

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« Reply #27 on: Fri 07 May 2021 10:33 »
Sunday leisure and entertainment activities had long been constrained by successive Sunday Observance Acts which also prohibited the charging for admission to such events. One consequence of this was the introduction of "admission by programme" in order to circumvent the law. So if finding a programme for a Sunday fixture with a cover price considerably higher than expected for its time then this is the reason. It was also deemed in the religious areas of society unacceptable to partake in such activities on a Sunday, which was deemed a "day of rest". However amongst those that worked on Saturdays and supported their local teams later in the day Sundays became their day to play the game.

The Football Association long upheld the traditional view and did not officially recognise Sunday football, other than to place restrictions on it. Those that played or officiated in Sunday football were not allowed to participate in matches on other days of the week. Therefore many players and officials used false names when participating on a Sunday.

The F.A. gradually came around to reviewing the problems that this was causing , notably in the big cities where organised Sunday football was prevalent. In August 1939 it was proposed that they appoint a Sub-Committee to review the situation but war intervened and it was not until 24th September 1943 that the Committee members were actually appointed. One of these was Edward "Teddy" Eden, the F.A. Councillor for Birmingham, who was to spend the next 17 years persuading other F.A. Councillors to recognise Sunday football.

The majority opinion of the reviewing Committee was to ease the restrictions and allow Sunday play under certain conditions. These recommendations were put forward in October 1945 but those who opposed Sunday football had not been idle and had gathered sufficient support to have the initial proposals watered down and to be re-considered at the end of the season.

When re-considered in July 1946 these opponents won the day and so no changes were made, but resolutions continued to be made to the F.A. Council, without success, every year. The Council again shelved a decision in 1952 but Sunday football continued to grow and eventually in 1960 all restrictions were lifted. However the delay in reaching this decision had caused much bitterness amongst the players and officials of Sunday football.

Immediately set up was an Inter Cities Bowl competition held between the best Sunday clubs of Birmingham and London organised by the Secretaries of the Birmingham Festival League and the London Sportsman's Intermediate League. This was mistakenly referred to in some areas as the National Sunday Cup but it was intending to expand invitations to the clubs of Leicester, Leeds and Manchester when the F.A. Sunday Cup was launched.

The F.A. therefore needed to adopt, through its County Associations, a policy of slow assimilation, with the intent that the Sunday Leagues and Clubs would see the benefit of joining the F.A. fold, but there were still hard cores of resistance. Nevertheless the lifting of restrictions led to the spread of Sunday football to counties where it was previously unknown.

In 1964, with Teddy Eden now Chairman of the Committee responsible, the F.A. introduced a national competition to further encourage the spread of Sunday football. Due to the varying conditions under which it was played in different parts of the country the initial rules were based upon those of the F.A. County Youth Cup established 20 years before. County F.A.'s could enter a representative side drawn from their various clubs or nominate one of their clubs to represent them.

Sixteen counties entered with only London using a nominated club - Summerstown Athletic, near Wimbledon, and it was they that went on to win the inaugural competition. Teddy Eden, having seen the competition get successfully underway, died midway through the following season on 26th January 1966, aged 86, only two days after presiding at what was to be his final Sunday Football committee meeting.


Quite a few midweek afternoon leagues existed into the 1970s, such as the Manchester Wednesday League, the Liverpool Business Houses League and the Oxford Thursday League. The demise of half-day closing and factory closures caused by successive recessions generally saw such leagues fold.

There was a Thursday afternoon league in London as well (in the 1980s when I started refereeing).  A number of fire brigade teams and police teams participated - as well as works sides.  Plenty of "ringers" appeared as well.

A bit of research suggests that the Oxford Thursday League ceased in 1969, which was one year after the Oxford Sunday League was formed. Some clubs seem to have moved from the former to the latter, the Post Office being an example.

There is still a midweek afternoon league in Oxford, but that is an inter-college league in which students play.