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Hendo

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Gordon Kew
« on: Sun 25 Apr 2021 17:36 »
Apologies if this has been mentioned before as I clearly must have missed it but just seen that Gordon died in 2018 aged 88.
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« Reply #1 on: Sun 25 Apr 2021 20:20 »
Buckinghamshire Advertiser 6th September 2018

Gordon Cecil KEW
Passed away peacefully on 23rd August 2018, in Cherry Tree Nursing Home, Saunderton, aged 88 years.
Funeral service will be held on Thursday 13th September 2018, Amersham Crematorium at 2.30pm.
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« Reply #2 on: Mon 26 Apr 2021 09:12 »
Yes, this has been mentioned before. Gordon moved from Amersham to Middlesbrough prior to his final season on the FL list, 1976/7, but then moved south again, either in connection with his work in the insurance business or following retirement. RIP Gordon.

The now question is, who is the earliest FA Cup Final ref still around? We think that Norman Burtenshaw (1971) might still be with us, otherwise it is George Courtney (1980) and Keith Hackett (1981).

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« Reply #3 on: Mon 26 Apr 2021 14:38 »
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Mon 26 Apr 2021 09:12
Yes, this has been mentioned before. Gordon moved from Amersham to Middlesbrough prior to his final season on the FL list, 1976/7, but then moved south again, either in connection with his work in the insurance business or following retirement. RIP Gordon.

The now question is, who is the earliest FA Cup Final ref still around? We think that Norman Burtenshaw (1971) might still be with us, otherwise it is George Courtney (1980) and Keith Hackett (1981).

Clive Thomas 1976?
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Re: Gordon Kew
« Reply #4 on: Mon 26 Apr 2021 15:43 »
Quote from: Hendo on Mon 26 Apr 2021 14:38
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Mon 26 Apr 2021 09:12
Yes, this has been mentioned before. Gordon moved from Amersham to Middlesbrough prior to his final season on the FL list, 1976/7, but then moved south again, either in connection with his work in the insurance business or following retirement. RIP Gordon.

The now question is, who is the earliest FA Cup Final ref still around? We think that Norman Burtenshaw (1971) might still be with us, otherwise it is George Courtney (1980) and Keith Hackett (1981).

Clive Thomas 1976?

Yes, of course, I had forgotten Clive 'the Book' Thomas!
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Re: Gordon Kew
« Reply #5 on: Mon 26 Apr 2021 17:27 »
Norman Burtenshaw who celebrated his 95th birthday in February
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Re: Gordon Kew
« Reply #6 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 08:42 »
Quote from: John Treleven on Mon 26 Apr 2021 17:27
Norman Burtenshaw who celebrated his 95th birthday in February


Norman Burtenshaw has been granted a long life. I wonder if he remains in good health. He refereed the FA Cup Final in 1971. Extraordinary that he has lived for fifty years since that pinnacle of his career. Mind you, I am sure that record might well be broken as he was coming towards the close of his refereeing career, being in his mid 40s, when he was appointed to the Cup Final. Someone who was appointed at a much younger age may well exceed fifty years on.
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Re: Gordon Kew
« Reply #7 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 11:39 »
I recall some correspondence on RTR some while back about Arthur Luty of Leeds who refereed the 1954 FA Cup Final at a young age (around about 36) and then continued as a FL ref until 1965, so born in about 1918. He then lived - latterly in New Zealand - until about 2013 when he would have been around 95 years of age.
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Re: Gordon Kew
« Reply #8 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 13:34 »
Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Fri 30 Apr 2021 11:39
I recall some correspondence on RTR some while back about Arthur Luty of Leeds who refereed the 1954 FA Cup Final at a young age (around about 36) and then continued as a FL ref until 1965, so born in about 1918. He then lived - latterly in New Zealand - until about 2013 when he would have been around 95 years of age.


It would appear Arthur may hold the record then. If he was born in 1918 he would have been 36 when he refereed the FA Cup Final and say he died at 95 years old that makes nearly 60 years of FA Cup Final memories for him. That record might be hard to surpass. The interesting thing is, according to Upton, that Luty received the FA Cup Final honour in only his 3rd full season on the National List after having served 2 years on the Supplementary List prior to that. Either he was a phenomenally brilliant referee or else he had some good friends in very high places. Strangely his is not a name I associate with having a stellar international career in the 1950s referees but perhaps I am wrong about that. Someone will know and hopefully enlighten us.
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Re: Gordon Kew
« Reply #9 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 15:22 »
The footballfacts.ru site, which, while often erratic, has pretty good coverage of European and international fixtures of all kinds, doesn't show him as having officiated at any international matches at all. 

But then I remembered that the site, which transliterates everything into Russian, has contrived to divide Mr Luty into two separate people, and on the second list he is shown as refereeing the following:
15 Apr. 1953 N. Ireland vs Wales (Home Championship)
5 July 1953 Argentina vs Spain (friendly)
22 Nov. 1953 W. Germany vs Norway (World Cup qualifier)
28 Nov. 1954 Portugal vs Argentina (friendly)
1 May 1955 Ireland vs Netherlands (friendly)
15 May 1955 Denmark vs Hungary (friendly)

But nothing after that.  I wonder what happened.
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« Reply #10 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 15:57 »
Yes Arthur Luty leads with Gerald Ashby heading the unwanted list

I have not gone in for counting the actual days - just year of final to year of death

59   Arthur Luty
55   Charles Clegg
55   Noel Watson
55   Arnold Josephs
52   Stanley Rous
51   Sidney Wright
51   Reg Mortimer
50   Walter Buchanan
50   Norman Burtenshaw
   
6   Gerald Ashby
10   Francis Marindin
10   Aaron Scragg
13   Job Davies
14   Neil Midgley
14   Allan Gunn
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Re: Gordon Kew
« Reply #11 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 17:09 »
Quote from: John Treleven on Fri 30 Apr 2021 15:57
Yes Arthur Luty leads with Gerald Ashby heading the unwanted list

I have not gone in counting the actual days - just year of final to year of death

59   Arthur Luty
55   Charles Clegg
55   Noel Watson
55   Arnold Josephs
52   Stanley Rous
51   Sidney Wright
51   Reg Mortimer
50   Walter Buchanan
50   Norman Burtenshaw
   
6   Gerald Ashby
10   Francis Marindin
10   Aaron Scragg
13   Job Davies
14   Neil Midgley
14   Allan Gunn


Most interesting. It corrects a constant misapprehension of mine that years and years ago only referees coming towards the end of their careers were awarded the FA Cup Final but the first list shows that some of these gentlemen must have received the honour when they were quite young. I think, for a while, Kevin Howley was reckoned to be just about the youngest person, post 2nd World War, appointed to an FA Cup Final at the age of 35 but I am pretty sure Michael Oliver ( and perhaps others ) have been younger.
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« Reply #12 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 17:24 »
Luty could no longer get time off for overseas matches and came off the FIFA list after 1955-56

He was due to go to Moscow for Russia U23 v Hungary U23 on Sunday 25th September 1955
but had to decline as he was unable to get released by the Leeds clothing company where he
was a departmental manager
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« Reply #13 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 17:56 »
A constant misapprehension of mine was that years ago only referees coming towards the end of their careers were awarded the F.A. Cup Final

That has been generally correct since 1915, up to then 18 under 40s took the final with 5 under 30s -
21   Walter Buchanan
22   William Rawson
24   Segar Bastard
27   Alfred Stair
27   William Peirce

Since 1915 there have only been a further 16 under 40s -
33   Michael Oliver
36   Arthur Luty
36   Kevin Howley
36   "Jack" Taylor
37   "Tommy"  Thompson
37   Keith Hackett
37   Graham Poll
38   Arthur Ellis
38   "Jim" Finney
38   "Mike" Riley
38   Howard Webb
39   Stanley Rous
39   "Harry" Nattrass
39   George Courtney
39   Dermot Gallagher
39   Anthony Taylor

Again only year of birth to year of final

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Re: Gordon Kew
« Reply #14 on: Fri 30 Apr 2021 21:38 »
Quote from: John Treleven on Fri 30 Apr 2021 17:24
Luty could no longer get time off for overseas matches and came off the FIFA list after 1955-56

He was due to go to Moscow for Russia U23 v Hungary U23 on Sunday 25th September 1955
but had to decline as he was unable to get released by the Leeds clothing company where he
was a departmental manager

Found this nice article about Mr Luty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/sport/9205119/Esteemed-former-world-ranked-ref-dies

Seems he emigrated with his job to New Zealand in the mid 60s. Very interesting to read that, despite the rough and tumble of games, he believed in trying to keep all 22 players on the field if at all possible and never sent anyone off in his professional career. How refreshing compared to some of the attitude of today’s robotic refs!
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