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Acme Thunderer

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #30 on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 16:13 »
Claude Lambert "Bert" Newsome
Eric A. Read ;
Horace Reginald "Reg" Robinson

Claude Lambert and Horace Reginald, what lovely names! ;D
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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #31 on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 16:28 »
In one of Reg Robinson's final games as a FL ref, I think it must have been Arsenal v Nottingham Forest on 5th May 1980, there was an almighty punch-up towards the end of the game in which 21 players were involved (one of the goalies couldn't get upfield quickly enough to take part). When it subsided, the players awaited their fate and then Reg did.... exactly nothing, other than shrugging his shoulders and restarting the game. He must have realised that he wasn't going to be around to see the ramifications, and I don't think the authorities did much about it either. Viewed on BBC MOTD at the time but unfortunately not available for viewing now. A thin fair-haired man if my recollections of Reg are correct, a bit like his Norwich predecessor Tommy Dawes but not as tall.

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #32 on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 16:54 »
26 Dec. 1974, Carlisle Utd vs Newcastle Utd:
Referee: M. Lowe; linesmen: G. Boothman (Burnley) & J.M. Smith (Stockton)

25 Feb. 1975, Leeds Utd vs Carlisle Utd:
Referee: B.J. Homewood; Linesmen: A.F. Jenkins (Scunthorpe) & M.J. Redmond (Liverpool)
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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #33 on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 20:39 »
Updated Wants

1971-72   
29/01/72   Huddersfield Town   -   Newcastle United
11/03/72   Stoke City   -   Sheffield United ***
10/04/72   Stoke City   -   Nottingham Forest   
08/05/72   Newcastle United   -   Stoke City   

1972-73
26/12/72   Wolverhampton Wanderers   -   Leicester City ***
24/04/73   Stoke City   -   Wolverhampton Wanderers ***   
04/05/73   Derby County   -   Wolverhampton Wanderers *** 

1973-74
05/09/73   Stoke City   -   Everton ***   
   
1975-76   
23/08/75   Middlesbrough    -   Wolverhampton Wanderers *** 
26/08/75   Middlesbrough    -   Birmingham City *** 
23/09/75   Sheffield United   -   Burnley ***   
23/09/75   Coventry City v Middlesbrough - Tony Morrissey
22/11/75   Stoke City   -   Sheffield United   
26/12/75   Sheffield United   -   Middlesbrough ***   
26/12/75   Leicester City   -   Derby County ***
26/12/75   Wolverhampton Wanderers   -   Coventry City ***
14/02/76   Middlesbrough v   Burnley - Derek Lloyd
03/03/76   Newcastle United v Stoke City - Harold Hackney   
03/04/76   Norwich City v Sheffield United - John Homewood   
06/04/76   Middlesbrough v   Norwich City - George Flint   
07/04/76   Newcastle United v Birmingham City - Eric Garner   
10/04/76   Sheffield United   -   West Ham United ***   
19/04/76   Everton v Middlesbrough - Jim Bent
19/04/76   Sheffield United v Newcastle United - Ken Walmsley   

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #34 on: Mon 09 Nov 2020 18:22 »
18/12/71 Huddersfield Town v Southampton - Syd Kayley
26/12/72 Crystal Palace v Southampton - Norman Burtenshaw
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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #35 on: Tue 10 Nov 2020 08:44 »
18/12/71 Huddersfield Town v Southampton - Syd Kayley
26/12/72 Crystal Palace v Southampton - Norman Burtenshaw

Thank you JT. So it was Norman Burtenshaw at Selhurst Park on Boxing Day 1972. He was a regular at SP which is probably why I didn't remember this particular game.

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #36 on: Tue 10 Nov 2020 20:23 »
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04/05/76 Sheffield United - Birmingham City P.Willis

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« Reply #37 on: Tue 10 Nov 2020 22:52 »
23/09/75   Coventry City v Middlesbrough - Tony Morrissey
14/02/76   Middlesbrough v   Burnley - Derek Lloyd
03/03/76   Newcastle United v Stoke City - Harold Hackney   
03/04/76   Norwich City v Sheffield United - John Homewood   
06/04/76   Middlesbrough v   Norwich City - George Flint   
07/04/76   Newcastle United v Birmingham City - Eric Garner   
19/04/76   Everton v Middlesbrough - Jim Bent
19/04/76   Sheffield United v Newcastle United - Ken Walmsley   

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #38 on: Tue 10 Nov 2020 22:56 »
Updated Wants

1971-72   
29/01/72   Huddersfield Town   -   Newcastle United
11/03/72   Stoke City   -   Sheffield United ***
10/04/72   Stoke City   -   Nottingham Forest   
08/05/72   Newcastle United   -   Stoke City   

1972-73
26/12/72   Wolverhampton Wanderers   -   Leicester City ***
24/04/73   Stoke City   -   Wolverhampton Wanderers ***   
04/05/73   Derby County   -   Wolverhampton Wanderers ***

1973-74
05/09/73   Stoke City   -   Everton ***   
   
1975-76   
23/08/75   Middlesbrough    -   Wolverhampton Wanderers ***
26/08/75   Middlesbrough    -   Birmingham City ***
23/09/75   Sheffield United   -   Burnley ***   
22/11/75   Stoke City   -   Sheffield United   
26/12/75   Sheffield United   -   Middlesbrough ***   
26/12/75   Leicester City   -   Derby County ***
26/12/75   Wolverhampton Wanderers   -   Coventry City ***
10/04/76   Sheffield United   -   West Ham United ***   
 

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #39 on: Wed 11 Nov 2020 08:15 »
many thanks again JT, if you dont mind me asking where do you get the info for the gaps from? I painstakingly go through various newspapers and programmes to find the original information, just curious how you and LF manage to fill in the gaps.

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #40 on: Wed 11 Nov 2020 11:22 »
Gordon Maurice Trevett

born Q1 1929 Woolwich, S.E. London
son of Albert J Trevett and Mary K Doyle married Q2 1926 Chelsea
married Joan Eileen Weedon Q1 1952 Barton on Irwell, Lancs
died Manchester

Matches found on line

First match pre-dates him becoming a supplementary for 69-70
He disappears off the F.L. list for 70-71
Re-appears as a supplementary for 71-72 & 72-73
Becomes a full referee for 73-74, 74-75 & 75-76
But removed before his potential final season of 76-77

The retirement age back then was 47 so he did actually complete a full term, albeit a short one having made the List at a late age.

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #41 on: Wed 11 Nov 2020 11:27 »
Quote from: John Treleven link=topic=1893.ms
1975-76   
23/08/75   Middlesbrough    -   Wolverhampton Wanderers - Bob Matthewson
26/08/75   Middlesbrough    -   Birmingham City - Michael Lowe
23/09/75   Sheffield United   -   Burnley - Ken Burns
22/11/75   Stoke City   -   Sheffield United - John Goggins
26/12/75   Sheffield United   -   Middlesbrough - Eric Garner
26/12/75   Leicester City   -   Derby County - Jack Taylor
26/12/75   Wolverhampton Wanderers   -   Coventry City -Tony Morrissey
10/04/76   Sheffield United   -   West Ham United - Derek Civil

Gaps completed above.
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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #42 on: Wed 11 Nov 2020 11:39 »
Updated Wants

1971-72   
29/01/72   Huddersfield Town   -   Newcastle United
11/03/72   Stoke City   -   Sheffield United
10/04/72   Stoke City   -   Nottingham Forest   
08/05/72   Newcastle United   -   Stoke City   

1972-73
26/12/72   Wolverhampton Wanderers   -   Leicester City ***
24/04/73   Stoke City   -   Wolverhampton Wanderers ***   
04/05/73   Derby County   -   Wolverhampton Wanderers
 
1973-74
05/09/73   Stoke City   -   Everton ***   
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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #43 on: Wed 11 Nov 2020 11:41 »
Just curious how you and LF manage to fill in the gaps.

I have some FL appointments for 1975-1976. Some of my details come from newspapers but a large number are from match programmes. While the latter will obviously not pick up on the very small number of changes to referee (I'd estimate about five percent) match programmes are generally much more accurate than newspapers in giving the correct name of the scheduled referee. This means they avoid some of the issues you've mentioned where referees with the same surname / initial have been transposed as well as the problems of typos. Where a referee isn't known by the first of his names (e.g. Reg Robinson) the programme is more likely to call him by his preferred name so we avoid the same referee being billed as H. Robinson, H.R. Robinson or R. Robinson.

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« Reply #44 on: Wed 11 Nov 2020 11:46 »
ok officially getting excited now, when i started this i never for one minute imagined i would be close to filling in the gaps. got a few for 76-77 but not a lot, Bristol City have become the Sheffield Utd of the 76-77 season as the coverage of their matches is not the best

ive now got a fairly comprehensive ref database 1970-1980 for england, scotland, france, west germany, east germany, italy, switerland, spain, portugal, holland, belgium, romania, cechoslovakia, yugoslavia ,russia, hungary , league matches, euro matches and internationals, more countries in future plans

the below example shows how many matches Bob Matthewson was in charge of in English top flight alone

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15/08/70 Tottenham Hotspur - West Ham United R.Matthewson
25/08/70 Coventry City - Wolverhampton Wanderers R.Matthewson
02/09/70 Stoke City - Nottingham Forest R.Matthewson
05/09/70 Leeds United - Chelsea FC R.Matthewson
17/10/70 Crystal Palace - West Bromwich Albion R.Matthewson
07/11/70 Southampton FC - Newcastle United R.Matthewson
21/11/70 Liverpool FC - Everton FC R.Matthewson
19/12/70 Burnley FC - Manchester City R.Matthewson
06/03/71 Leeds United - Derby County R.Matthewson
20/03/71 West Ham United - Ipswich Town R.Matthewson
24/04/71 Huddersfield Town - Wolverhampton Wanderers R.Matthewson
01/05/71 Arsenal FC - Stoke City R.Matthewson
14/08/71 Huddersfield Town - Leicester City R.Matthewson
04/09/71 Nottingham Forest - Sheffield United R.Matthewson
16/10/71 Tottenham Hotspur - Wolverhampton Wanderers R.Matthewson
22/01/72 Stoke City - Southampton FC R.Matthewson
19/02/72 Derby County - Nottingham Forest R.Matthewson
04/03/72 Newcastle United - Leicester City R.Matthewson
25/03/72 Chelsea FC - West Ham United R.Matthewson
15/04/72 Wolverhampton Wanderers - West Bromwich Albion R.Matthewson
01/05/72 Leeds United - Chelsea FC R.Matthewson
12/08/72 Southampton FC - Derby County R.Matthewson
16/08/72 Leicester City - Chelsea FC R.Matthewson
09/09/72 Newcastle United - Arsenal FC R.Matthewson
04/11/72 Sheffield United - Stoke City R.Matthewson
18/11/72 Crystal Palace - Leeds United R.Matthewson
02/12/72 Wolverhampton Wanderers - Derby County R.Matthewson
27/01/73 West Ham United - Chelsea FC R.Matthewson
03/03/73 Everton FC - Liverpool FC R.Matthewson
10/03/73 Tottenham Hotspur - Norwich City R.Matthewson
31/03/73 Stoke City - West Bromwich Albion R.Matthewson
09/05/73 Leeds United - Arsenal FC R.Matthewson
25/08/73 Derby County - Chelsea FC R.Matthewson
29/08/73 Newcastle United - Southampton FC R.Matthewson
11/09/73 Wolverhampton Wanderers - Leeds United R.Matthewson
01/12/73 Arsenal FC - Coventry City R.Matthewson
01/01/74 Leeds United - Tottenham Hotspur R.Matthewson
23/02/74 Leicester City - Sheffield United R.Matthewson
09/03/74 Derby County - West Ham United R.Matthewson
15/04/74 Wolverhampton Wanderers - Arsenal FC R.Matthewson
20/04/74 Newcastle United - Birmingham City R.Matthewson
20/08/74 Middlesbrough FC - Carlisle United R.Matthewson
31/08/74 Birmingham City - Wolverhampton Wanderers R.Matthewson
14/09/74 Leicester City - Queens Park Rangers R.Matthewson
19/10/74 Carlisle United - Derby County R.Matthewson
02/11/74 West Ham United - Middlesbrough FC R.Matthewson
07/12/74 Wolverhampton Wanderers - Coventry City R.Matthewson
28/12/74 Chelsea FC - Queens Park Rangers R.Matthewson
08/02/75 Carlisle United - Sheffield United R.Matthewson
01/03/75 Derby County - Tottenham Hotspur R.Matthewson
01/04/75 Sheffield United - Leeds United R.Matthewson
28/04/75 West Ham United - Arsenal FC R.Matthewson
12/04/75 Coventry City - Birmingham City R.Matthewson
19/04/75 Stoke City - Newcastle United R.Matthewson
23/08/75 Middlesbrough FC - Wolverhampton Wanderers R.Matthewson
13/09/75 Aston Villa - Arsenal FC R.Matthewson
23/09/75 Birmingham City - Newcastle United R.Matthewson
27/09/75 Stoke City - Derby County R.Matthewson
15/11/75 Sheffield United - Leicester City R.Matthewson
06/12/75 Burnley FC - Liverpool FC R.Matthewson
20/12/75 Newcastle United - Ipswich Town R.Matthewson
31/01/76 Derby County - Coventry City R.Matthewson
28/02/76 Middlesbrough FC - Arsenal FC R.Matthewson
27/03/76 West Ham United - Norwich City R.Matthewson

cant thank you all enough for helping me complete the english top flight so conclusively.


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