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mande70

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English Division 1 Referee Database
« on: Sat 31 Oct 2020 20:23 »
So I have been working again on this recently [i take time away and do other things, so as not to totally put myself off the idea]

im up to 1975, and have a rather shortened list now of matches that are missing referees.

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10/04/72 Stoke City - Nottingham Forest
08/05/72 Newcastle United - Stoke City
29/09/76 Leicester City - Stoke City
09/03/77 Derby County - Coventry City
06/11/76 Stoke City - Middlesbrough FC
20/04/77 Derby County - West Ham United
27/12/76 Birmingham City - West Ham United
27/12/76 Middlesbrough FC - Aston Villa
11/05/77 Stoke City - Manchester United
15/03/77 Leicester City - Middlesbrough FC
23/05/77 Queens Park Rangers - Birmingham City
26/02/77 Queens Park Rangers - Leicester City
05/03/77 Leeds United - Middlesbrough FC
09/03/77 Norwich City - Middlesbrough FC
19/03/77 Bristol City - Queens Park Rangers
23/04/77 Stoke City - Tottenham Hotspur
16/05/77 Leicester City - Leeds United



if anyone can help with filling a gap anywhere i would appreciate it.

Updated 17/11/2020
« Last Edit: Tue 17 Nov 2020 14:07 by mande70 »

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #1 on: Sun 01 Nov 2020 18:07 »
02/09/70   West Bromwich Albion v Newcastle United - Dave Wallace
30/01/71   Southampton v Stoke City - Jim Finney
27/03/71   Newcastle United v Derby County - Roy Capey   
04/05/71   Southampton v Crystal Palace - Ron Challis
27/04/71   Southampton v West Ham United - Keith Walker   
01/01/72   Huddersfield Town v Stoke City - David Laing
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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #2 on: Tue 03 Nov 2020 08:57 »
Do any of you have a list of numbers of games pr. referee in the old 1st divison ? It would be interesting to see compared to modern referees like Mike Dean and Martin Atkinson.

No need for every referee, but for those reaching 100 games in the first division.

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« Reply #3 on: Tue 03 Nov 2020 15:30 »
15 April 1974, Wolverhampton W. vs Arsenal:
Referee: R. Matthewson, Linesmen: D.V. Meredith (Hereford) & G.P. Owen (Anglesey)

28 August 1974, Stoke city vs Everton:
Referee: M. Lowe; Linesmen: W.L. Ashton (Ilkeston) & B. Langford (Coventry)

10 December 1974, Middlesbrough vs Leicester City:
Referee: K. McNally; Linesmen: N.E. Simpson (Huddersfield) & T.M. Barnett (York/Knottingley)

There is no extra charge for the linesmen!
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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #4 on: Tue 03 Nov 2020 17:05 »
thanks guys thatss been agreat hel, few more crossed off the list.

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Do any of you have a list of numbers of games pr. referee in the old 1st divison ? It would be interesting to see compared to modern referees like Mike Dean and Martin Atkinson.

No need for every referee, but for those reaching 100 games in the first division.

this is what im working on at moment i have completed scotland 1960-1990 and im now working on england,got a fewother countries as well, sso would be a proper european ref database
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« Reply #5 on: Tue 03 Nov 2020 18:58 »
here is an example, it shows the date and the match reffed.

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ate Home - Away Referee
04/09/71 Newcastle United - West Ham United C.Fallon
06/11/71 Coventry City - Huddersfield Town C.Fallon
23/08/72 Newcastle United - West Bromwich Albion C.Fallon
02/09/72 Sheffield United - Southampton FC C.Fallon
09/12/72 Chelsea FC - Norwich City C.Fallon
23/12/72 Birmingham City - Arsenal FC C.Fallon

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #6 on: Tue 03 Nov 2020 19:22 »
12/09/73   Norwich City v Southampton - Jim Bent
26/12/73   Manchester United v Sheffield United - Jack Taylor
15/04/74   Manchester United v Everton - Walter Johnson
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« Reply #7 on: Tue 03 Nov 2020 19:28 »
Updated Wants

1970-71
19/08/70   Stoke City   -   Newcastle United   
05/05/71   Stoke City   -   Tottenham Hotspur   

1971-72   
18/12/71   Huddersfield Town   -   Southampton    
29/01/72   Huddersfield Town   -   Newcastle United
11/03/72   Stoke City   -   Sheffield United   
17/03/72   Coventry City   -   West Bromwich Albion
10/04/72   Stoke City   -   Nottingham Forest   
05/05/72   Stoke City   -   West Bromwich Albion   
08/05/72   Newcastle United   -   Stoke City   

1972-73
30/08/72   Newcastle United   -   Tottenham Hotspur   
26/12/72   Wolverhampton Wanderers   -   Leicester City   
26/12/72   Crystal Palace   -   Southampton
24/04/73   Stoke City   -   Wolverhampton Wanderers      
04/05/73   Derby County   -   Wolverhampton Wanderers   

1973-74
05/09/73   Stoke City   -   Everton    
01/01/74   Wolverhampton Wanderers   -   Southampton    
01/01/74   Derby County   -   Birmingham City   
15/04/74   Stoke City   -   Leicester City   
   
1974-75
24/09/74   Coventry City   -   Luton Town
26/12/74   Carlisle United   -   Newcastle United   
18/01/75   Middlesbrough    -   Arsenal
25/02/75   Leeds United   -   Carlisle United

1975-76   
23/08/75   Middlesbrough    -   Wolverhampton Wanderers   
26/08/75   Middlesbrough    -   Birmingham City   
30/08/75   Aston Villa   -   Coventry City   
      
   
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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #8 on: Tue 03 Nov 2020 20:12 »
thanks guys thatss been agreat hel, few more crossed off the list.

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Do any of you have a list of numbers of games pr. referee in the old 1st divison ? It would be interesting to see compared to modern referees like Mike Dean and Martin Atkinson.

No need for every referee, but for those reaching 100 games in the first division.

this is what im working on at moment i have completed scotland 1960-1990 and im now working on england,got a fewother countries as well, sso would be a proper european ref database

I have a full set for Norway, Sweden and Germany if you want that.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue 03 Nov 2020 20:18 »
that would be fantastic, norway and sweden in particular would be a real valuable addition. you have access to scandinavian newspapers? im also looking for lineups from scandinavia in the 70's and 80s.

i have ref lists for european competitions and international competitin as well as spain, portugal, france, holland, belgium, yugoslavia, russia, romania, poland, hungary, italy, switerland austria and east germany, working on trying to get ireland and northern ireland as well with access to newspaperarchive.


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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #10 on: Wed 04 Nov 2020 07:32 »
that would be fantastic, norway and sweden in particular would be a real valuable addition. you have access to scandinavian newspapers? im also looking for lineups from scandinavia in the 70's and 80s.

i have ref lists for european competitions and international competitin as well as spain, portugal, france, holland, belgium, yugoslavia, russia, romania, poland, hungary, italy, switerland austria and east germany, working on trying to get ireland and northern ireland as well with access to newspaperarchive.

As I'm working on the statistics for the Norwegian FA, I do not have for every single game throughout the history. What they want is the number for each referee. And to me it's never been much of interest to get the referee for every single game apart from cup finals. I have done the same for Sweden and Germany and the Premier League just out of interest.

Yes, I do have access to Norwegian newspapers.

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Re: English Division 1 Referee Database
« Reply #11 on: Wed 04 Nov 2020 08:41 »
I wish I could remember Palace v Southampton on Boxing Day 1972. I would have been there to see Palace get a rare 3-0 win in a season which ended with relegation. Two weeks earlier, they had slaughtered Man Utd 5-0 at Selhurst Park (ref John Hunting), so a purple patch in an otherwise dire season. Being Boxing Day, I would imagine the referee might have been fairly local, and Homewood or Sinclair come to mind, but I simply do not know. Can anyone help here or should I buy a programme which is available on E-Bay? 
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« Reply #12 on: Wed 04 Nov 2020 11:55 »
completed to the endof eason 74/75, i have updated the list accordingly. Acme, I wouldnt buy it just to get a referee's name, the thought had crossed my mind about the other games missing refs as well, but im sure in time photos will appear on ebay with team listings and refs

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« Reply #13 on: Wed 04 Nov 2020 20:53 »
5.5.1972 Stoke v Derby - George Hartley;
30.8.1972 Newcastle v Tottenham - Keith Styles;
1.1.1974 Wolves v Southampton - Ivan Smith;
1.1.1974 Derby v Birmingham - Harold Williams;
15.4.1974 Stoke v Leicester - Harold Williams;
24.9.1974 Coventry v Luton - Ted Jolly;
8.2.1975 Carlisle v Sheffield United - Bob Matthewson;
9.4.1975 Leicester v Middlesbrough - Bob Perkin;
31.3.1975 Newcastle v QPR - Ted Jolly;
18.3.1975 Middlesbrough v Everton - Keith Styles;
31.3.1975 Leeds v Leicester - Walter Johnson.
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« Reply #14 on: Wed 04 Nov 2020 21:07 »
fantastic LF, where do you find these refs to fill the gaps lol, I have updated the list accordingly, now into 75/76 so theres a couple appeared already for that season.
the sunday mirror were quite good in 74/75 season for having refs for most games, but it appears they were not so keen to fulfill this in 75/76.
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