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Women referees at Qatar WC
« on: Sun 27 Nov 2022 19:11 »
I need to be careful, I'm told, but one can't help wondering the purpose of selecting three women referees if none have yet been used on-field?

I know some male colleagues are yet to be appointed too
, but the further a tournament progresses, the harder it will be to find a game. My view now is that if a women is appointed to two sides who can't qualify it will be worse than not appointing at all!
Tokenism? That's a view that could be held.

If the Rwandan, Japanese and French women referees were told, pre tournament, to come and soak up the atmosphere, 
but expect nothing more, then is that a message known, or do they all still hope?

Or, being of an age where all three can be appointed to the next WC, has that been the plan ?

I respectfully raise this in conversation,  hoping others can shed light ?

And, btw, this has been set in paragraphs. Why oh why it's been amended to make it look like I've been kept back a couple of years idk!

« Last Edit: Mon 28 Nov 2022 10:57 by mutn3 »

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Re: Women referees at Qator WC
« Reply #1 on: Sun 27 Nov 2022 19:22 »
I think they were only appointed as support officials so only likely to get 4th appointments

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Re: Women referees at Qator WC
« Reply #2 on: Sun 27 Nov 2022 22:59 »
I think the intention was only for them to ever act as support officials but with an added intention of normalising them being there. Next time round no-one will even bat an eye over females being included because it's been done before.
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Re: Women referees at Qator WC
« Reply #3 on: Mon 28 Nov 2022 08:45 »
I think the intention was only for them to ever act as support officials but with an added intention of normalising them being there. Next time round no-one will even bat an eye over females being included because it's been done before.

I think you're right. I had thought Frappert (at least) would get a middle. but I'm beginning to wonder.
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Re: Women referees at Qatar WC
« Reply #4 on: Mon 28 Nov 2022 14:08 »
I think the intention was only for them to ever act as support officials but with an added intention of normalising them being there. Next time round no-one will even bat an eye over females being included because it's been done before.

I think you're right. I had thought Frappert (at least) would get a middle. but I'm beginning to wonder.

Maybe if there's a dead rubber game on MD3, she'll get a run out?
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« Reply #5 on: Mon 28 Nov 2022 14:13 »
Would Ma Ning's team have got a match if he had changed his name to Pa Ning?
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Re: Women referees at Qatar WC
« Reply #6 on: Tue 29 Nov 2022 09:22 »
If some referees were intended only as support officials then I think this should have been made clear pre-tournament. I think from the way it was presented the general presumption was that all 36 referees should be expected to referee at least one game. There were certainly questions asked of Collina about the female referees refereeing a game in the press conference and I think it will look pretty bad if not a single one of them referees a game.
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Re: Women referees at Qatar WC
« Reply #7 on: Tue 29 Nov 2022 12:11 »
If some referees were intended only as support officials then I think this should have been made clear pre-tournament. I think from the way it was presented the general presumption was that all 36 referees should be expected to referee at least one game. There were certainly questions asked of Collina about the female referees refereeing a game in the press conference and I think it will look pretty bad if not a single one of them referees a game.

It seems to have been a recent shift to not announcing who will be support referees at FIFA tournaments, they previously did, for example they announced the referee and assistant pair who would be a support from a confederation for 2014. 2018 seemed to be much more subtle, not declaring support officials, but generally referees announced without two ARs in their trio (Jair Marrufo the lone exception) not reffing games.

I suspected from the announcement when I saw two french refs (Turpin and Frappart) and only two french ARs that this might be the case and that they hid this in the announcement to avoid scrutiny. There is an outside chance in one of the eight games without a referee appointed yet we see Frappart as unlike Yamashita and Mukansanga she has received far fewer fourth official appointments and so may be being 'held back' so to speak in case an opportunity (which for FIFA is probably a game with absolutely nothing riding on it) arises.

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Re: Women referees at Qatar WC
« Reply #8 on: Tue 29 Nov 2022 17:23 »
If some referees were intended only as support officials then I think this should have been made clear pre-tournament. I think from the way it was presented the general presumption was that all 36 referees should be expected to referee at least one game. There were certainly questions asked of Collina about the female referees refereeing a game in the press conference and I think it will look pretty bad if not a single one of them referees a game.

It seems to have been a recent shift to not announcing who will be support referees at FIFA tournaments, they previously did, for example they announced the referee and assistant pair who would be a support from a confederation for 2014. 2018 seemed to be much more subtle, not declaring support officials, but generally referees announced without two ARs in their trio (Jair Marrufo the lone exception) not reffing games.

I suspected from the announcement when I saw two french refs (Turpin and Frappart) and only two french ARs that this might be the case and that they hid this in the announcement to avoid scrutiny. There is an outside chance in one of the eight games without a referee appointed yet we see Frappart as unlike Yamashita and Mukansanga she has received far fewer fourth official appointments and so may be being 'held back' so to speak in case an opportunity (which for FIFA is probably a game with absolutely nothing riding on it) arises.
Maybe I'm a little naive but surely all this adds up to discrimination ?

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Re: Women referees at Qatar WC
« Reply #9 on: Tue 29 Nov 2022 21:04 »
Match officials designations
FIFA World Cup - Group E - 1 December 2022, Al Bayt Stadium

CRC🇨🇷 🆚 GER🇩🇪

Referee:  Stéphanie FRAPPART 🇫🇷
AR 1: Neuza BACK 🇧🇷
AR 2: Karen DIAZ MEDINA 🇲🇽
4th: Said MARTINEZ 🇭🇳
                                       
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