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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #15 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 15:13 »
Another who was laid back was Ian Hemley, I worked with him a few times, very quietly spoken off the field, but well respected by the players in my opinion

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #16 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 16:06 »
If we're looking back, John Martin and Dennis Hedges come to mind. I always enjoyed lining to them in our Isthmian League days and they were always ready to give good advice to us youngsters. John Homewood and Tony Oliver were two others. I was out with them after they came off the League list, but no hissy fits or airs and graces about them, and every match was treated as though it was the FA Cup Final.

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #17 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 16:36 »
Always liked Hemley as an assessor, he liked the way I refereed😊

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #18 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 19:25 »
While being confined to barracks, due to a currently fashionable cause, I took to pondering why some  senior referees attract notice while a lot stay under the radar. Obviously in these days every referee on SG1 is going to have a high profile because of the saturation coverage of the Premiership. Down in Leagues 1 and 2 however I think there are still a few toilers who just get on with the job and don't seem to attract too much publicity. Among these I would place Rob Lewis. He has been on the National List ( or whatever it's called these days ) since 2005 and yet doesn't seem to have garnered many headlines either favourable or unfavourable. I have seen him live once, at an evening match at Birmingham City (I must have had a work engagement in England's second city)  and so decided to take in a match. Lewis's performance was entirely satisfactory and rather low key as I recall. Perhaps the low key nature of his officiating is the reason he goes under the radar somewhat.

Are there other officials whom you would place in this category ?

I bet he's not under Pedro Mendes' radar.

Presumably alluding to Lewis' career as an AR ?

Just a specific part of it !

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #19 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 19:39 »
I saw Neale Barry at Old Trafford a few times.  He came across as quite laid back, not very demonstrative or a commanding figure, and I came away from games not especially impressed but not moaning about him either.  Isn't he an Assessor or Observer or whatever they call them these days?
He was rather more important than that; head of refereeing at the FA, if I remember his title correctly, before retiring a couple of years ago.  He didn't come across as laid back in meetings with referees.  Let's just say he wasn't frightened to let you know where he stood on matters under discussion.

You're right of course, and I wasn't trying to diminish his importance!. But he's also a UEFA Observer I believe.  I'm sure I've seen his name, as well as those of Elleray, Riley and (Peter) Jones in that role.

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #20 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 20:14 »
If we're looking back, John Martin and Dennis Hedges come to mind. I always enjoyed lining to them in our Isthmian League days and they were always ready to give good advice to us youngsters. John Homewood and Tony Oliver were two others. I was out with them after they came off the League list, but no hissy fits or airs and graces about them, and every match was treated as though it was the FA Cup Final.


John Martin was probably the best referee I had the pleasure of running the line to back in the early 80s, also on the Isthmian League
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #21 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 20:17 »
Another who was laid back was Ian Hemley, I worked with him a few times, very quietly spoken off the field, but well respected by the players in my opinion


Was 4th official to Ian back in early 80s in an evening game at Newport County at the old Somerton Park in the early days before 4O became what they are today, what a Gentleman!! Also did a 4O with Roger Milford, chalk and cheese!!

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #22 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 21:17 »
Dermot was fairly laid back as well tbf

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #23 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 22:07 »
I’m surprised nobody has mentioned Paul rejer ( hope I spelt that right) always excellent when I saw him , very uncontroversial but never seemed to get top games .
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #24 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 22:56 »
Dermot was fairly laid back as well tbf

Great sense of humour as well. He always used to do the Hamorthy v AFCB pre season friendly at Hamworthy rec. Back in the days when AFCB were a rubbish little club who no-one had heard of! It was the highlight of the season, always the first pre-season friendly, huge attendance as we all caught up after the summer break, fantastic BBQ always laid on by the social committee at Hamworthy and everyone just laying about on the bank by the pitch with a burger and bottle of beer (or cider) taking no notice of what was happening on the pitch! He always, always booked Marcus Browning (book me Browning - the origins of the nickname bmb, though quite why I ended up with it not Marcus is one of the unexplained mysteries in life!) One year he pretended to book Marcus while standing talking to me & him outside the dressing room ahead of kick off & it became a bit of a standing joke over the next couple of seasons with them playing cat & mouse as they headed in from the car park on arrival so Dermot could issue the "might as well get it out of the way now" YC - hilarious to watch.
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #25 on: Tue 21 Dec 2021 23:52 »
Dermot was fairly laid back as well tbf

Great sense of humour as well. He always used to do the Hamorthy v AFCB pre season friendly at Hamworthy rec. Back in the days when AFCB were a rubbish little club who no-one had heard of! It was the highlight of the season, always the first pre-season friendly, huge attendance as we all caught up after the summer break, fantastic BBQ always laid on by the social committee at Hamworthy and everyone just laying about on the bank by the pitch with a burger and bottle of beer (or cider) taking no notice of what was happening on the pitch! He always, always booked Marcus Browning (book me Browning - the origins of the nickname bmb, though quite why I ended up with it not Marcus is one of the unexplained mysteries in life!) One year he pretended to book Marcus while standing talking to me & him outside the dressing room ahead of kick off & it became a bit of a standing joke over the next couple of seasons with them playing cat & mouse as they headed in from the car park on arrival so Dermot could issue the "might as well get it out of the way now" YC - hilarious to watch.

I worked with Dermot once and whilst he was very friendly he was extremely focused.  The rest of us were chatting in the changing room but he was just sat pretty much silent, and in fairness he did explain to us that was how he approached games.  He was extremely well liked by players though, they all wanted to talk to him and I can remember Keith Andrews coming into the changing room for a chat.

As an observer he couldn't have been any different, really chatty before the game.  And if you got him in a double act with Paul Taylor you would spend the time from arriving at the ground in hysterics as they relayed tales of what used to happen in their days.  Really nice guy all round.
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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #26 on: Wed 22 Dec 2021 08:58 »
Some great names from the past - Vic Callow was always excellent when I saw him, very definitely a no-nonsense referee. I was also very pleased to see references to Paul Rejer and Ian Hemley in particular, and the only name with which I might disagree is Mick Fletcher, who had absolute stinkers whenever I saw him.  However, I am surprised that nobody has mentioned Alan Robinson, Tony Glasson or David Axcell - all of whom were consistently first rate.

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #27 on: Wed 22 Dec 2021 11:13 »
Mike Bailey always seemed calm and assured and should have gone further

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #28 on: Wed 22 Dec 2021 11:19 »
Some great names from the past - Vic Callow was always excellent when I saw him, very definitely a no-nonsense referee. I was also very pleased to see references to Paul Rejer and Ian Hemley in particular, and the only name with which I might disagree is Mick Fletcher, who had absolute stinkers whenever I saw him.  However, I am surprised that nobody has mentioned Alan Robinson, Tony Glasson or David Axcell - all of whom were consistently first rate.

Agree with you on Tony Glasson who was a regular at Selhurst Park over 10 seasons. A joke-penalty award apart (Palace v Wrexham), he was consistently good. Mike James from Horsham was another who was 'under the radar'. 12 seasons on the list but I think I only saw him once on TV (when he sent off a W Ham player for foul language towards line Ray Biggar), and I'm sure I never saw him at SP, despite him coming from over the border in Sussex. 

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Re: Under the Radar
« Reply #29 on: Wed 22 Dec 2021 11:56 »
Mike Bailey always seemed calm and assured and should have gone further

Entirely agree with this assessment. I lined to him on a couple of occasions and found him indeed to be calm and assured. He seemed to make a good impression quite quickly when he reached the National List and I expected him to go to the top but although he had twelve good years on the List he never did hit the heights which his earlier potential had suggested. Don't really know why that was.