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Twente v. Feyenoord
« on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 17:06 »
Interesting incident here. GK rightly cautioned. No apparent action taken against the player who threw a ball towards him in a violent/aggressive manner. Violent Conduct or understandable annoyance under the circumstances?

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12799156/cheating-or-genius-goalkeepers-quick-thinking-stops-potential-goal

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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #1 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 17:39 »
Understandable annoyance, but also violent conduct.  Using the ball as a missile can be classed as VC.
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #2 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 18:00 »
He was lucky not to go or at least be cautioned. Allard Lindhout did have a long word with him - it was literally the only incident in the first half! Player behaviour had been amazing until that point! 2nd half was a bit more lively.

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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #3 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 18:13 »
Understandable annoyance, but also violent conduct.  Using the ball as a missile can be classed as VC.

I would have sent him off for VC.

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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #4 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 18:43 »
Violent conduct is defined as ...

An action, which is not a challenge for the ball, which uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent

Really don't see how throwing the ball at someone can be classed as excessive force or brutality, especially when it misses.  Had he thrown it at his head and been successful then perhaps, but there's no way this can be given as a red card.
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #5 on: Mon 30 Jan 2023 20:03 »
Violent conduct is defined as ...

An action, which is not a challenge for the ball, which uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent

Really don't see how throwing the ball at someone can be classed as excessive force or brutality, especially when it misses.  Had he thrown it at his head and been successful then perhaps, but there's no way this can be given as a red card.

I thought at the time that he deserved a yellow card for it. I can understand why he was so frustrated but it was a proper toddler tantrum of a reaction. He did calm down after the ref put his dummy back in.
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #6 on: Tue 31 Jan 2023 07:01 »
2 yellows, no need for anymore

The 10s "chuck" of the ball may have endangered some errant worms but no players were harmed in the making of this film. Love the fact the goalkeeper thought he was the aggrieved party!
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #7 on: Tue 31 Jan 2023 07:44 »
It got better in the 2nd half. Red player commits handball offence and appeals for handball!! 🙄
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #8 on: Tue 31 Jan 2023 13:00 »
Violent conduct is defined as ...

An action, which is not a challenge for the ball, which uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent

Really don't see how throwing the ball at someone can be classed as excessive force or brutality, especially when it misses.  Had he thrown it at his head and been successful then perhaps, but there's no way this can be given as a red card.

I would still have sent him off for VC. In my opinion, the fact that he missed the GK is irrelevant. The intent was there. If he wanted to appeal against the RC, he could do so in the appropriate manner.

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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #9 on: Tue 31 Jan 2023 14:11 »
It's consistent with the elite level "keep 22 players on the pitch" mentality.
However, Sunday morning, he's at least getting a yellow for unsporting behaviour (FA code aggressive attitude. )
I'm sure the the laws reference throwing an object Including the ball with excessive force, so it stands to reason this can be an outcome. Could be have thrown that with any more force?
The fact he missed is irrelevant... Since when did hitting the intended target become a criteria for VC offences?
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #10 on: Tue 31 Jan 2023 16:27 »
"Using excessive force or brutality"

I dont think either apply here, YC for AAA or stupidity/paddy throwing

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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #11 on: Tue 31 Jan 2023 18:41 »
The fact that he missed is a comment on the accuracy of his throwing but an irrelevance as to whether it is VC or not.  If I throw a punch at an opponent and miss, that is still VC.

He could not have used any more force in using the ball as a weapon than he did.  Throwing it into the ground is petulant and warrants a yellow card.  Aiming it at an opponent (even a stupid one) with the level of firce used can be classed as VC.
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #12 on: Tue 31 Jan 2023 19:00 »
The fact that he missed is a comment on the accuracy of his throwing but an irrelevance as to whether it is VC or not.  If I throw a punch at an opponent and miss, that is still VC.

He could not have used any more force in using the ball as a weapon than he did.  Throwing it into the ground is petulant and warrants a yellow card.  Aiming it at an opponent (even a stupid one) with the level of firce used can be classed as VC.

That might have worked with the old laws, doesn't with the current ones though.  No one could possibly say that was an act of excessive force or brutality, and one or both of them is now needed for violent conduct.
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #13 on: Wed 01 Feb 2023 11:32 »
The fact that he missed is a comment on the accuracy of his throwing but an irrelevance as to whether it is VC or not.  If I throw a punch at an opponent and miss, that is still VC.

He could not have used any more force in using the ball as a weapon than he did.  Throwing it into the ground is petulant and warrants a yellow card.  Aiming it at an opponent (even a stupid one) with the level of force used can be classed as VC.

That might have worked with the old laws, doesn't with the current ones though.  No one could possibly say that was an act of excessive force or brutality, and one or both of them is now needed for violent conduct.

It's a subjective matter but I agree with Leggy on this occasion. For me, there is sufficient excessive force to warrant dismissal for VC. Had he been sent off by the Referee, it would have been interesting to see whether he appealed and if it was successful. Sadly, we shall never know.
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Re: Twente v. Feyenoord
« Reply #14 on: Wed 01 Feb 2023 17:36 »
The fact that he missed is a comment on the accuracy of his throwing but an irrelevance as to whether it is VC or not.  If I throw a punch at an opponent and miss, that is still VC.

He could not have used any more force in using the ball as a weapon than he did.  Throwing it into the ground is petulant and warrants a yellow card.  Aiming it at an opponent (even a stupid one) with the level of force used can be classed as VC.

That might have worked with the old laws, doesn't with the current ones though.  No one could possibly say that was an act of excessive force or brutality, and one or both of them is now needed for violent conduct.

It's a subjective matter but I agree with Leggy on this occasion. For me, there is sufficient excessive force to warrant dismissal for VC. Had he been sent off by the Referee, it would have been interesting to see whether he appealed and if it was successful. Sadly, we shall never know.

It absolutely would be overturned, and you'd be left holding a fourth official's board for a few weeks.
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