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TillysDad

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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #15 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 11:05 »
1st penalty shout why did the Brighton player go down holding his shin when his foot was stepped on?
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« Reply #16 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 11:17 »
Quote from: TillysDad on Sun 09 Apr 2023 11:05
1st penalty shout why did the Brighton player go down holding his shin when his foot was stepped on?

In real-time I thought he went down theatrically and I wouldn't have given it, but VAR should have stepped in
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #17 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 11:30 »
PGMOL have admitted that Brighton should have had a penalty. Begs the question as to why it was not given though.
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« Reply #18 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 13:21 »
Quote from: Failed Ref on Sun 09 Apr 2023 11:30
PGMOL have admitted that Brighton should have had a penalty. Begs the question as to why it was not given though.

Yes, being reported that Howard Webb has phoned Brighton officials to apologise.  Not clear whether it was for the foul on Mitoma, the shirt pull, or both that he has told them were wrong.

He's going to be getting thoroughly fed up of having to call clubs to apologise for VAR errors.  He will be very frustrated that on the same day he has one review recommended for a possible foul, but one that was a so very unobvious error that it took three minutes watching the football to send the referee to the monitor, and another that was way more obvious of an error but where the check was completed within seconds with no review recommended. 
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #19 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 13:27 »
It seems Howard Webb might have set the bar for Clear and Obvious too high. It still feels like the mentality of VARs is more to look for reasons to try and justify not intervening rather than stepping in when necessary.
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« Reply #20 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 17:00 »
For all the neutrals (and I am one) you can certainly understand why Brighton should feel very poorly done to. Dreadful.
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« Reply #21 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 23:11 »
Salisbury and Attwell along with Kavanagh and England should be out for a few weeks
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« Reply #22 on: Mon 10 Apr 2023 00:06 »
Quote from: rustyref on Sun 09 Apr 2023 10:03
For the second one there is one angle where it looked like it definitely hit Mac Allister's arm, if VAR see that they have to disallow the goal no matter how accidental it was.

There is also the angle shown on MOTD2 where it came off MacAllister’s hip. If VAR sees this they have to allow the goal.
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« Reply #23 on: Mon 10 Apr 2023 00:16 »
Quote from: takethejag on Sun 09 Apr 2023 10:43
This all begs the question, was VAR actually better before Howard Webb's tweaks?
Better before might be stretching it a bit, but you could say it was slightly less of a shambles than it was now!

Webb seems very much above criticism on here, but his performance as a manager of his team so far had not got off to the best of starts and there are parallels here with a team having a new manager coming in half way through a season and that manager failing to get his new tactics implemented straight away. The question is, is it Webb failing to get his message across or are his team incapable of actioning it, I suppose time will tell.
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« Reply #24 on: Mon 10 Apr 2023 10:38 »
Seems clear and obvious to me that VARs are finding it difficult to decide what a clear and obvious error is.  I know we don't want matches to be rerefereed but I feel it might be better now if the VAR makes a judgment based on 'do I think the onfield referee would have given a penalty if he'd had the view I've just had ?'  If yes then call the referee to the screen.  I can't claim that would be a magic answer but can't be much worse than where we are now.

At some stage we need to deal with grappling at set pieces. I'm sure when VAR was being developed I read that it would eliminate shirt pulling etc at set pieces and I think it should be doing a lot more about this. We seemed to have filed dealing with such offences in the same bin as goalkeepers holding onto the ball for too long.
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #25 on: Mon 10 Apr 2023 12:01 »
Quote from: jacksamuel21 on Sun 09 Apr 2023 23:11
Salisbury and Attwell along with Kavanagh and England should be out for a few weeks
Problem is that leaves you with 14 referees (with Harrington seemingly out) to cover 20 appointments (10 on field and 10 VAR, not to mention they may need a couple as 4th officials for the biggest games).  Even if you bring in SG2, that still leaves you with not much availability should anyone else become unavailable.
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« Reply #26 on: Mon 10 Apr 2023 12:28 »
Interesting comments on RefWatch about all 4 controversial incidents, especially the first no-penalty decision.  There was general agreement that it was the wrong decision and VAR should have intervened and advised an OFR.  But as Dermot pointed out, Stuart Attwell gave the 'cutting grass' sign (which he said was quite unusual) making it clear to players and fans he had seen it and it was definitely no penalty.  So what is a VAR supposed to do in those circumstances? In this case, it was a relatively new PL referee on VAR and a FIFA referee onfield.  Attwell seem to have a clear view with a good angle and no obstructing players in his eyeline. I have some sympathy with VAR in the circumstances, less with Stuart Attwell.   
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« Reply #27 on: Mon 10 Apr 2023 17:55 »
Quote from: Ref Fan on Mon 10 Apr 2023 12:28
Interesting comments on RefWatch about all 4 controversial incidents, especially the first no-penalty decision.  There was general agreement that it was the wrong decision and VAR should have intervened and advised an OFR.  But as Dermot pointed out, Stuart Attwell gave the 'cutting grass' sign (which he said was quite unusual) making it clear to players and fans he had seen it and it was definitely no penalty.  So what is a VAR supposed to do in those circumstances? In this case, it was a relatively new PL referee on VAR and a FIFA referee onfield.  Attwell seem to have a clear view with a good angle and no obstructing players in his eyeline. I have some sympathy with VAR in the circumstances, less with Stuart Attwell.

Agree.  If you ask Attwell to have an OFR review, you are pretty much calling him wrong - which is very different from being unsighted, or not having the best viewing angle.  Also, the personnel dynamics are at play here - although probably only subconsciously. 

Probably best to consign the "cutting grass" signal to the history books.  Can we have the "proper" advantage signal back in its place?
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #28 on: Mon 10 Apr 2023 19:03 »
Quote from: Leggy on Mon 10 Apr 2023 17:55
Can we have the "proper" advantage signal back in its place?


Oh yes please! I hate the one handed thing - can never tell if it's an advantage being played or not!
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