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magpie1892

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Tottenham v Brighton
« on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 16:32 »
Looks like a busy afternoon for Attwell and Jeremy Simpson on 4th official

Both managers been sent off, saw on twitter De Zerbi has 4 yellows and 2 reds now this season, mental if true.

Surely he needs a stadium ban soon

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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #1 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 16:32 »
posted in wrong forum, can a mod move this please?

Edit: sorted!
« Last Edit: Sat 08 Apr 2023 16:44 by Ben »

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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #2 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 18:18 »
From some of the fan footage uploaded to YouTube, Stellini seems to be well away from the incident. Unless heíd done something to spark it, I canít see why he was red carded unless heís being held responsible for the behaviour of the rest of the coaches?

Donít envy the 4th official at all. 4 yellow and 2 red cards for a manager not even in post for the whole season is surely unprecedented.

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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #3 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 18:32 »
I suppose as per the law, the Tottenham staff member who was involved in the fracas couldnít be identified so buck stops with the most senior member of staff

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« Reply #4 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 19:50 »
Thatís probably a fair assumption from the footage Iíve seen. The alternative would have been a huge number of reds. Path of least resistance to send the manager off but a bit unusual given that he looks to have been the only one not involved.
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« Reply #5 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 20:23 »
Think by sending off the senior staff person eg the manager, who didnít do a lot wrong other than not try to control his technical area sends a good message to those who did get involved. No doubt both teams will be charged.
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #6 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 23:09 »
Sorry Adam but I think Brighton can feel extremely hard done by.  I thought 1 penalty was nailed on and another could have been given.
I also felt one of the disallowed goals for hand ball was questionable as it wasn't clear from the angle shown how high up the arm contact with the ball was.  It's all very well focusing on the red cards for the coaches, but aren't some of the other KMIs of crucial importance?
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #7 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 23:09 »
Adam.What about the pull back on Dunk? Did you not think that should have been a penalty?
If Black and White is so brilliant why do most of us have colour tellies
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« Reply #8 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 23:14 »
The Mitoma handball disallowed goal looked clear cut in real time, so understandable why Cann would flag, but itís desperately unlucky when looking at the replay.

The non-penalty of Mitoma is just dreadful from both Attwell and VAR, a real shocker and inexplicable. The pull back on Dunk should by definition by a penalty too but we all know PGMOL apply different rules for pulling in the box
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #9 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 23:18 »
Have never rated Salisbury as a referee, and purely inept at VAR aswell, no doubt Attwell will have a few harsh words with him at their next jolly boys outing at St Georgeís Park. 

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« Reply #10 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 00:39 »
Same old Tottenham always edited, but in all serious Brighton should of had 2 extra goals and 2 stonewall penalties today, that must be up there with one of the worse ref and Var performances this season, also no idea why Kav changed his mind at Brentford either that wasnít a penalty, looks like Attwell and Salisbury may be doing a few weeks at minimum championship level, never rated Attwell either after his atrocious performance when we played city last season, god forbid he is put on that game in a few weeks time
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« Reply #11 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 08:07 »
First penalty is inexcusable, OFR should be called. 2nd one Attwellís view looks to be blocked but he isnít moving into a position where you can see it. Considering the amount of penalties given for holding like that over the last few years Iím staggered a penalty wasnít awarded by VAR

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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #12 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 09:56 »
The Mitoma handball disallowed goal looked clear cut in real time, so understandable why Cann would flag, but itís desperately unlucky when looking at the replay.

The non-penalty of Mitoma is just dreadful from both Attwell and VAR, a real shocker and inexplicable. The pull back on Dunk should by definition by a penalty too but we all know PGMOL apply different rules for pulling in the box


The Mitoma "handball" would have been given (if spotted) 100 times out of 100 in the days before they messed with the Handball part of Law 12.  Mitoma used his arm to control the ball.   The point at which the ball impacted his body may or may not have been above the so-called T-shirt line but this is very much as a case of:  "If it looks like a pig, smells like a pig and squeaks like a pig, then it is most certainly a pig."   Darren Cann had a clear view (despite the nonsense comment on MOTD) and was right to flag and (morally - if not purely legally) the right decision was reached.
 
This is another example of how continuously messing with Law has made it into an ass.  We should have left well alone and relied on the judgements of the match officials.  This endless search for clarity where it simply cannot exist is ruining the game and many people simply cannot articulate what is / is a handball offence anymore. 

Same with offside.
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Re: Tottenham v Brighton
« Reply #13 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 10:03 »
For the first one Darren Cann flagged for handling.  Once he has done that VAR can only recommend a review if they think there was a clear and obvious error, and because it is pretty much impossible to tell where it hit him they cannot get involved.  Had Cann not flagged I'm pretty sure the goal would have stood.  For the second one there is one angle where it looked like it definitely hit Mac Allister's arm, if VAR see that they have to disallow the goal no matter how accidental it was.

I think both Brighton penalty appeals were fouls, but I suspect if you asked Howard Webb he would say they were well below the clear and obvious threshold and therefore there should be no VAR involvement.  Of course, the penalty given to Wolves against Newcastle on the same day contradicts this, but I suspect it will be the officials in that game that get a telling off rather than Attwell and his team.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 10:43 »
Some pretty inexplainable decisions and no wonder Keith Hackett has fuelled a fire on Twitter which has descended into replies ranging from Attwell's suspension/sacking to some sort of PL/FA top six bias against Brighton. On these levels, I just wish Fulham had the same decision making in both games against West Ham this season as three of West Ham goals would've been disallowed for handball.

Mitoma, massively unlucky and not handball for me. Darren Cann has made a mistake in flagging which has mostly taken away the power of VAR to overrule as an obvious error
Mitoma again, an obvious foul that was in front of the referee and not reviewed, a definite clear and obvious error
Dunk, like Mitrovic at Old Trafford had hands in his back and shirt pulled right in front of the ref, nothing given and no review
Welbeck's disallowed goal was also very harsh, as I couldn't see a handball on the slomo replay.
Stellini being given a red card when he literally the only one not involved. Unless something was said/seen off-cam I can see this being overturned

This all begs the question, was VAR actually better before Howard Webb's tweaks?