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Author Topic: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland  (Read 844 times)

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Harrywillis

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Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 19:27 »
Today I was at the Millwall Sunderland game ( as a neutral fan, because i was in London for some work and had free time) and to say the ref had a poor afternoon would be an understatement. 

Throughout the game there was an alarming rate of inconsistencies and failure to keep any control and order in the game. The first major decision was a Millwall goal . Originally the linesman didn't flag it and the players went off celebrating. Then the referee has gone to the linesman and appears to have spoke to him about  a Millwall player was obscuring the goalkeepers vision and ruled the goal out. Replays show the keeper sees the ball the whole way and gets fully behind it before spilling into the path of an onside Millwall player. This was where, with a hostile crowd he lost control. There was a fight in the penalty box and just before the stroke off half time a Millwall player went down with what was suspected to be a broken ankle. The ref failed to stop the game when this happened for 20 seconds despite both sets of players screaming at him. The player left the field on a stretcher and is in hospital now. In the second half it got a bit better for him but still performed at a shockingly inconsistent level.

This is the first game I have seen live from Thomas Bramall and it was very disappointing. He seems to struggle to keep control of games and seems as though he is out of his depth ( I expected more from a SG1 official)
« Last Edit: Sat 04 Feb 2023 19:56 by Harrywillis »

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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #1 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 19:48 »
Then the referee has gone to the linesman and told him that a Millwall player was obscuring the goalkeepers vision and ruled the goal out.

Did you hear this being said or are you just, more likely, making assumptions about what was said?

I didn't see the game so can't comment otherwise.
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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #2 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 19:57 »
My bad I worded poorly which made it seem as if I had heard if myself. I have amended the wording now to avoid confusion.
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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #3 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 21:49 »
Only the 1 angle but I definitely think there’s enough to rule it out

https://twitter.com/Camer0nJohnson/status/1621894512623730688?s=20&t=n6cAh-PgFLf8s8bMe9ZiQw

My complaint from the highlights I’ve seen is how over protected goalkeepers are a slight touch and they get a free kick goalkeeper goes for the ball knocks a player out late so bad he doesn’t realise he has equalised move on nothing to see here, not necessarily a complaint about the ref but how the game is
« Last Edit: Sat 04 Feb 2023 21:53 by Joecphillips »
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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #4 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 22:07 »
 Well as a Sunderland supporter I suppose you will think I am biased when I say his game was acceptable however after being on the mucky end of the stick numerous times this season with Messrs Stroud,Pawson,and the dreadful Simpson it was nice to be at the right end of his wrongdoings.
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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #5 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 22:15 »
I didn't watch the game but the ruled out goal is an excellent decision/teamwork (sorry Harry Willis) - why is the Millwall player standing there, what is his only intention? To obstruct the goalkeeper's view. Correct decision, well done to Bramall/AR there, great alertness (especially on ref's part).
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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #6 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 23:01 »
I think the problem that I'm sure Millwall fans see is that yes the man is standing in an offside position but has him being them stopped the GK from seeing the ball the whole way. He appears to see the ball the whole way and saves it . He then spills it which isn't because off the Millwall player being there and then the other player taps home. I guess it depends which side you are on but Millwall were certainly on the wrong side of alot of decisions this afternoon. There were a lot of other decisions during the game that were very inconsistent. I feel too many soft fouls were given and he could've allowed more physicality to go in a game that was very feisty and competitive
« Last Edit: Sat 04 Feb 2023 23:16 by Harrywillis »

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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #7 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 23:12 »
I think the problem that I'm sure Millwall fans see is that yes the man is standing in an offside position but has him being them stopped the GK from seeing the ball the whole way. He appears to see the ball the whole way and saves it . He then spills it which isn't because off the Millwall player being there and then the other player taps home. I guess it depends which side you are on but Millwall were certainly on the wrong side of alot of decisions this afternoon
Watching clip on twitter, the millwall player is definately in the line of the vision of the goalkeeper and thus interfering with player so the ‘goal’ was quite correctly disallowed.
Great teamwork by team ref i would say.
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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #8 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 23:29 »
The argument you can make for Millwall is that the GK could see the ball because he dived for it . When the goal went in I didn't see the GK going over to the ref to say his vision was blocked like GK normally do, neither did any of the Sunderland players.

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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #9 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 23:37 »
The argument you can make for Millwall is that the GK could see the ball because he dived for it . When the goal went in I didn't see the GK going over to the ref to say his vision was blocked like GK normally do, neither did any of the Sunderland players.
The fact he can see the ball doesnt mean the attacker doesnt interfere with the goalkeepers line of vision, which may have distracted him from collecting the ball cleanly.
The goalkeeper or defenders do not have to appeal for offside to be awarded, also the Sunderland players may not have been aware the attackers was in an offside position anyway as it looked a tight call.
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Re: Thomas Bramall - Millwall vs Sunderland
« Reply #10 on: Sat 04 Feb 2023 23:45 »
Yes I can see what your saying. At the time the decision looked a lot worse from where I was sitting in the ground and the replays make a bit of a better case for the officials on that particular decision. With it being a sell out crowd and that decision angering the locals it did escalate into quite a feisty and intense game which he dealt with better in the second half than the first in which he struggled to get control of the players