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This weekend and VAR
« on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 19:33 »
It’s been a dreadful weekend for the majority of todays games in the PL.

Why on earth have we had a weekend like this. VAR has been hopeless and the only official to come out of this weekend with any credit is Michael Oliver who told VAR to foxtrot Oscar and stuck by his decision (I’ve yet to see the incident in question however).

I’m not surprised we have had a car crash of a weekend from at least five officiating teams, it was going to happen in my mind. 

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #1 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 19:36 »
I commented on the VAR thread mate  utter shambles with VAR today and I voiced my opinion in a restrained way

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #2 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 19:40 »
What a dreadful day for VAR, referees and linesman, embarrassing. Glad that Oliver is showing he is in charge not someone 300 miles away in Shockley park.

This new directive to let things go and not blow the whistle is causing havoc. The games are now so inconsistent with players and referees not knowing what foul is now. Consistency has gone out the water. Random decisions are free kicks then some thing was more deserving of a foul is completely ignored.

That’s before it goes to Shockley park and some other referee thinks he needs to get involved to give a free kick for which an identical thing has happened 15 times in the match and been ignored.

Don’t worry though we only have Tierney on the big game tomorrow who never has controversial decisions in big games😛 and Lee Mason on VAR who didn’t cover himself in glory today.
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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #3 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 19:47 »
Don’t worry though we only have Tierney on the big game tomorrow who never has controversial decisions in big games😛 and Lee Mason on VAR who didn’t cover himself in glory today.

Are they doing an exchange in Hungary then? Only big game tomorrow is the eternal derbi - Újpest v Fradi!
Hajrá Lilák. Csak a Kispest. Hajrá Magyarok! Hajrá játékvezetői csapat! Soha ne add fel. Nincs sárga kérem!!! No Chris Kavanagh doesn't live in Ashton or even in the Greater Manchester area!!

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #4 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 19:48 »
Are any of the PL referees that could at least score a 5 on VAR duties ?  1 being very poor and 10 being excellent I’m not talking about today I’m talking about in general ?

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #5 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 19:52 »
Pretty poor stuff all round today from the officiating teams, lurching from one disaster to another.

Newcastle v C Palace, Newcastle player clearly pushed into goalkeeper by Palace player. Goal scored and should have stood. VAR totally wrong (Lee Mason, need I say more) and Michael Salisbury showing his inexperience by not sticking with his original call.

Chelsea v West Ham, Bowen makes no contact with goalkeeper. Jarred Gillett wrong to intervene, and Andy Madley ditto as Michael Salisbury.

Brentford v Leeds, I have to say that was a foul
on Toney and a penalty, just from one look. It seemed a correct decision from VAR David Coote and referee Robert Jones.

Now the PGMOL have a problem here. They have lost four very experienced referees in one fell swoop and are now putting some of their lesser lights into the spotlight and it’s not a good look, if I’m being honest.

There will be a lot of inquests going on on Monday to see how they can recover from what was a shambles of a day of officiating. What I’d like to see is on field decisions standing unless it’s a very obvious error. We are seeing too much intervention from VARs and not trusting their colleagues on field calls. VAR is a blight on the game and needs to be either further refined or binned altogether.

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #6 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 20:01 »
Are any of the PL referees that could at least score a 5 on VAR duties ?  1 being very poor and 10 being excellent I’m not talking about today I’m talking about in general ?

England generally does alright, he just takes too long. Attwell is decent at times. Kavanagh is alright but has howlers sometimes

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #7 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 20:28 »
It all started in 1991 with the introduction of the fourth official who, I am sure was put in place to be the rubbing rag for rival managers and benches ----they must have a constant earache these days.

We used to have 22 players in matches officiated by three people in a physical game which was enjoyed by most fans who would then dicuss the merits of the said game and its officiating.
We now have a game with 40 players, any of whom could be involved in the game up to a maximum of 32 and the game is officiated by 4 onfield officials and 2 VAR people. The game is far less physical, thus it should be easier to officiate, however, a lot of fans to whiom I speak throughout the country moan like mad about VAR and the officials.
I am straight with them and ask them if they enjoy the game, some do and some don't,  however, they pay a lot of money and have to endure thte constant changes which are made to TLOG each season but which don't make  the game any better as a spectator sport.

Those running the game seem intent on trying to make it a 'perfect spectacle' however, they need to have a good look at just what has been happening in the last 31 years instead of trying to make it a digital festival. It is a simple game which is being made more complicated by needless meddling. 
Referee's decision used to be final!
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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #8 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 20:43 »
We need Webb to arrive ASAP!  Hopefully, he'll bring a fresh approach to VAR where referees aren't pressured to going along with the VAR decision and they can make their own minds up. 

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #9 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 20:50 »
Pretty poor stuff all round today from the officiating teams, lurching from one disaster to another.

Newcastle v C Palace, Newcastle player clearly pushed into goalkeeper by Palace player. Goal scored and should have stood. VAR totally wrong (Lee Mason, need I say more) and Michael Salisbury showing his inexperience by not sticking with his original call.

Chelsea v West Ham, Bowen makes no contact with goalkeeper. Jarred Gillett wrong to intervene, and Andy Madley ditto as Michael Salisbury.

Brentford v Leeds, I have to say that was a foul
on Toney and a penalty, just from one look. It seemed a correct decision from VAR David Coote and referee Robert Jones.

Now the PGMOL have a problem here. They have lost four very experienced referees in one fell swoop and are now putting some of their lesser lights into the spotlight and it’s not a good look, if I’m being honest.

There will be a lot of inquests going on on Monday to see how they can recover from what was a shambles of a day of officiating. What I’d like to see is on field decisions standing unless it’s a very obvious error. We are seeing too much intervention from VARs and not trusting their colleagues on field calls. VAR is a blight on the game and needs to be either further refined or binned altogether.

The last line is a different perspective to that often voiced, which is that the bar for intervention is far too high in England.

I do think the general unwillingness by referees to stick with their on-field decision is a problem. It should be an extra safety net for when VAR wrongly gets involved. To that end, it was good that Michael Oliver at least reminded everyone it could be done.

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #10 on: Sat 03 Sep 2022 22:45 »
SIX PL games this afternoon have attracted new threads. This must be a record for this site for such an occurrence!?
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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #11 on: Sun 04 Sep 2022 00:19 »
Said this last week - VAR in England is being made to look far more technical / complicated than it is. Really simple and needs to go back to basics - has the referee made a CLEAR error? Not a subjective decision or one which could possibly be given differently, but an OBVIOUS mistake. Far too many times the ref has been called to the screen when the VAR should have stayed out of it. I just don’t see why they are finding it so hard?!
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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #12 on: Sun 04 Sep 2022 10:11 »
It all started in 1991 with the introduction of the fourth official who, I am sure was put in place to be the rubbing rag for rival managers and benches ----they must have a constant earache these days.

We used to have 22 players in matches officiated by three people in a physical game which was enjoyed by most fans who would then dicuss the merits of the said game and its officiating.
We now have a game with 40 players, any of whom could be involved in the game up to a maximum of 32 and the game is officiated by 4 onfield officials and 2 VAR people. The game is far less physical, thus it should be easier to officiate, however, a lot of fans to whiom I speak throughout the country moan like mad about VAR and the officials.
I am straight with them and ask them if they enjoy the game, some do and some don't,  however, they pay a lot of money and have to endure thte constant changes which are made to TLOG each season but which don't make  the game any better as a spectator sport.

Those running the game seem intent on trying to make it a 'perfect spectacle' however, they need to have a good look at just what has been happening in the last 31 years instead of trying to make it a digital festival. It is a simple game which is being made more complicated by needless meddling.

I couldn’t have put my feelings better

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #13 on: Sun 04 Sep 2022 10:12 »
Said this last week - VAR in England is being made to look far more technical / complicated than it is. Really simple and needs to go back to basics - has the referee made a CLEAR error? Not a subjective decision or one which could possibly be given differently, but an OBVIOUS mistake. Far too many times the ref has been called to the screen when the VAR should have stayed out of it. I just don’t see why they are finding it so hard?!

You could certainly envisage a scenario where Mike Riley gives out such an instruction tomorrow, only for us to then be in a position in the next few weeks where it has gone too far the other way and clear offences are being missed and people are saying the PL bar is too high again.

Indeed I wouldn't be surprised if the SG1 refs have recently been told that a perceived foul on a goalkeeper was missed in the build-up to a goal, perhaps Arsenal V Villa in the week or whatever, and they have over-compensated for that with some of the decisions this weekend.

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Re: This weekend and VAR
« Reply #14 on: Sun 04 Sep 2022 10:34 »
Salisbury stitched up at Newcastle

Madley should have been stronger at Chelsea

Oliver spot on at Forest

Jones should have been asked to look at 2nd penalty, can understand Leeds' manager's frustrations

No blame on Hooper, poor decision by Holmes.
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