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ajb95

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J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« on: Sat 20 Oct 2018 19:53 »
Took in this game with a work friend (don't know why!). I have said it many times on this forum (particularly the old one) and I'll say it again: Mr Moss is not good enough to be refereeing on the PL. How he gets games involving the big 6 is beyond me.
One of the worst refereeing performances i have seen in the Premier League in a long time, probably since Martin Atkinson in the Chelsea Arsenal game at the Bridge a few years' back. No authority in decision making, and the way he gets around the pitch is nothing short of a disgrace.

Now onto his decision-making. 33 seconds into the game, Vincent Kompany flies into Aaron Lennon literally. Clearest case of serious foul play. Studs showing, high, over the top of the ball. Only a yellow card. And, I hasten to add, its not the first time in his PL career Kompany has got away with such a terrible challenge.

Foul detection not great, but rest of half passes without further incident, and two further cautions and City lead 1-0 through good goal by Aguero.

Second goal: a very good example to use for new starter referees, of how not to referee. Sane goes down in the box, rather pathetically, Moss is about to blow for a penalty!  ??? ??? Burnley players stop, but then Moss waves it away. D Silva retrieves the ball, and it is clearly out of play. This poor decision leaves the linesman in an impossible position as he cannot see the ball is clearly out, and it costs a goal. The way he handled the protests left a lot to be desired as well.

Finally to top it off, about 10 minutes from the end Sane again involved, hacks at Burnley defender Lowton in an aggressive manner. Nowhere near the ball, no chance of playing the ball. 2 weeks ago, we had a referee Mike Dean in the Tottenham v Cardiff game, who clamped down on this sort of thuggery behaviour and binned the Cardiff player. Moss: wasn't in a great position, but i would say it was incompetence, again lets the City player off the hook with a poor decision.

Shame as it took the gloss of what was some very good goals from City, but Burnley would have been right in the game had the decisions gone in their favour. They say you need some luck to win titles, and City got a massive slice today.

Game difficulty: 7/10
Referee performance: 4/10

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #1 on: Sat 20 Oct 2018 21:24 »
"And, I hasten to add, its not the first time in his PL career Kompany has got away with such a terrible challenge"

Interesting - I googled 'Should Kompany have been sent off today which so far has drawn a blank, but it did come up with at least 2 other instances.
One was against Leicester for a challenge on Vardy in Nov'17 which Poll and Glen Hoddle both said should have been a straight RC, but Graham Scott only gave a YC.
And like today, that was in the first 2 minutes.

The other was for a foul on Daly Blind in a Manchester derby but I didn't look into the details.

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #2 on: Sat 20 Oct 2018 21:29 »
"And, I hasten to add, its not the first time in his PL career Kompany has got away with such a terrible challenge"

Interesting - I googled 'Should Kompany have been sent off today which so far has drawn a blank, but it did come up with at least 2 other instances.
One was against Leicester for a challenge on Vardy in Nov'17 which Poll and Glen Hoddle both said should have been a straight RC, but Graham Scott only gave a YC.
And like today, that was in the first 2 minutes.

The other was for a foul on Daly Blind in a Manchester derby but I didn't look into the details.

I remember that daley blind one, Clattenburg was in charge and consulted the linesman before deciding to give a yellow, kompany was lucky to get away with that one.

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #3 on: Sat 20 Oct 2018 21:52 »
Perhaps not surprising that Dyche agrees with ajb95 that City should have been down to 9 men for those 2 incidents.

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #4 on: Sat 20 Oct 2018 22:18 »
Perhaps not surprising that Dyche agrees with ajb95 that City should have been down to 9 men for those 2 incidents.

Even less surprising that they weren't !

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #5 on: Sun 21 Oct 2018 00:04 »
I've just seen those incidents (thanks, ajb95 for mentioning it here!) and I'm speechless. How can the referee at such level be so unfocused... It should be a break for Mr Moss.

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #6 on: Sun 21 Oct 2018 01:41 »
Both clear red cards in my view.

As well as the ball being out of play for the second City goal, Silva was also offside.

Poor officiating all round.

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #7 on: Sun 21 Oct 2018 09:33 »
Only seen it on MOTD but from those highlights it looks like poor officiating from poor officials. Kompany certainly deserved a red card, less sure about Mane. Ball was clearly out of play before second City goal.

Yet again errors going in favour of the big teams. Now, I am sure there is no covert plan to favour the big teams, however..... Recently at work we have been required to undergo Unconscious Bias training. I approached the exercise with my usual cheerful cynicism but actually was amazed about what I learned from my own reactions leading to my conduct. I suggest that when the SG1 have  one of their many get-togethers that the organisers include Unconscious Bias as part of the training. It may be that they already have, in which case they need to do it again and better because I do think there is a problem here in decisions tending to favour big clubs.

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #8 on: Sun 21 Oct 2018 11:28 »
Only seen it on MOTD but from those highlights it looks like poor officiating from poor officials. Kompany certainly deserved a red card, less sure about Mane. Ball was clearly out of play before second City goal.

Yet again errors going in favour of the big teams. Now, I am sure there is no covert plan to favour the big teams, however..... Recently at work we have been required to undergo Unconscious Bias training. I approached the exercise with my usual cheerful cynicism but actually was amazed about what I learned from my own reactions leading to my conduct. I suggest that when the SG1 have  one of their many get-togethers that the organisers include Unconscious Bias as part of the training. It may be that they already have, in which case they need to do it again and better because I do think there is a problem here in decisions tending to favour big clubs.

 In my profession  which [ like referees ] makes us sometimes the "scourge of the earth" on certain occasions we have also had to do an unconscious bias course probably similar to the one you did kind sir, and like yourself I was amazed at just how "unconscious bias" can play a part.

 After seeing MOTD and having no axe whatsoever to grind with anyone involved I totally see where you are coming from.

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #9 on: Mon 22 Oct 2018 08:57 »
Re the 2nd goal, Jon Moss certainly put his whistle to his mouth before waving play on. However I wonder whether he was intending to penalise Sane for diving (from his angle, it might have appeared thus) rather than awarding a penalty but, seeing the ball apparently going out of play, decided to leave it. He and his AR were then caught out by the quick thinking of the City players. Just a thought, and if it was the case, why didn't Moss bring play back and penalise Sane as he could have done, or given offside (which it was)? Joe Hart said afterwards that the AR 'had apologised to him'. I'm not sure whether this is true, but if it is, it doesn't seem terribly professional on the part of the AR. Not good officiating however you view it.
« Last Edit: Mon 22 Oct 2018 09:02 by Acme Thunderer »

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Re: J Moss - Man City v Burnley
« Reply #10 on: Tue 23 Oct 2018 21:03 »
I was also at the game, but haven't had the time to look at the footage until recently.

Kompany challenge ticks all the boxes for a red card. However, although he got lucky in the Leicester game last season, don't think he's as bad as the OP suggests. In this incident, he was going for a ball played into no mans land and Lennon was much quicker to the ball.

The secong goal was messy. If Sean Dyche hadn't mentioned shirt-pulling, wouldn't have known. At first glance it looked like two players coming together and play on was the right call for me. Mr Moss didn't judge it as a dive or he'd have awarded a free-kick and booked Sane. After that, the AR didn't cover himself in glory.

Sane could have no complaint with a red card, but some might view particularly the first challenge as a forwards poor attempt at trying to win the ball. Was there some context to this with previous clashes between the pair?

There was also a suggestion of a stamp by Taylor on Laporte, where the far-side AR was best placed to give a call, but didn't. I couldn't tell either way.

A couple of occasions where Mr Moss got in the way of the ball. The second was poor distribution from the Burnley player, but the first definitely lack of awareness from the referee.

Definitely a bad day at the office for Mr Moss and team.