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MSV Duisburg will surely extend the gap to 8 points with a win against Carl Zeiss Jena tonight, though.

I think that the U-23 sides are not eligible for promotion to Bundesliga 2 - that was certainly the original plan, but who knows?
TSV are no longer allowed to share Bayern's stadium, though I believe Bayern ll still play at TSV's much smaller ground.
I think moving back a couple of years ago was a popular move with most of the fanbase.

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MSV Duisburg will surely extend the gap to 8 points with a win against Carl Zeiss Jena tonight, though.

Wrong again! Top v bottom ended 1-1.

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MSV Duisburg will surely extend the gap to 8 points with a win against Carl Zeiss Jena tonight, though.

Wrong again! Top v bottom ended 1-1.

With Duisburg's centre-forward scoring both the opening goal and the equaliser !

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I notice Bayern Munich seconds are in this division - are there constraints on potential promotions ?

With Bayern ll having risen to second in the table and currently occupying one of the direct promotion positions, Fussball.de has confirmed that they cannot be promoted. Should they finish there, the third in the table would receive automatic promotion, with the fourth placed then taking part in the "Relegation" play-off against the third bottom in the 2. Bundesliga.

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As widely reported, Bayern became Bundesliga champions last night with victory at Werder Bremen, who look increasingly likely to be relegated.

Hamburg's draw at home to Osnabrück means that Arminia Bielefeld are assured of promotion from the 2. Bundesliga.

Meanwhile the situation at the top of the 3. Liga becomes ever more uncertain: 4 teams covered by a single point. Perhaps the second batch of fixtures tonight will bring a little clarity. At the other end of the table, Carl Zeiss Jena are already relegated and Sonnenhof Großaspach look likely to follow, but there is a scramble to avoid the remaining two relegation spots.
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This weekend sees the final round of fixtures in the top two divisions.

In the Bundesliga, Bayern are champions,Dortmund and RB Leipzig will have two of the other Champions League spots, the final one going to either Gladbach or Leverkusen, with the former taking it if they gain at least a point at home to Hertha. Leverkusen would then receive a Europa League place, along with Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim. At the other end of the table Werder Bremen will have to beat Köln at home and hope that Fortuna Düsseldorf lose away to Union Berlin. Even then they (or Fortuna) would have to survive a play-off against the third in the 2. Bundesliga.

There, Bielefeld and Stuttgart are assured of promotion. Heidenheim came from behind to beat Hamburg last week and leap-frogged them, so currently occupy third place, but as their final match is a trip to Bielefeld, while Hamburg, a point behind with a better goal difference are at home to Sandhausen, Hamburg look favourites to gain the play-off spot. Given Karlsruhe's three point advantage and better goal difference, Dynamo Dresden and Wehen Wiesbaden will face automatic relegation.  Nürnberg have a two point cushion ahead of their trip to Kiel and will be hoping that their neighbours Greuther Fürth do them a favour by beating Karlsruhe, who would then face a relegation play-off.

The 3. Liga has 20 teams, so there are still three rounds of fixtures to play. The field is narrowing somewhat, but the fun continues. Bayern ll are currently top on goal difference from Braunschweig, with Würzburger Kickers, a point behind on 60, effectively occupying the second promotion spot. Last night's win for Ingolstadt moves them into the play-off spot, on goal difference ahead of the limping zebras of Duisburg (a good title there for a fancy novel!) Both have 57 points, one more than Hansa Rostock, whose trip to Würzburg this weekend is an important one. Despite losing, Waldhof Mannheim are still just in the frame, but as outsiders.

Of the four clubs to be relegated, Jena and Großaspach are definitely down. Preußen Münster's victory last night against Zwickau left Zwickau in 18th, while Preußen climbed to 17th. They are now just two points behind Chemnitz and five behind Halle and Magdeburg. A couple of good results might mean three of the four to go down would be heading for the Regionalliga Nord-Ost, which might have a knock-on effect there, particularly if Lok Leipzig fail to win promotion through their play-offs (tonight and Tuesday) with SC Verl. The three teams definitely promoted from the Regionalliga are Lübeck, Saarbrücken and Türkgücü München.
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The first leg of the play-off for promotion to the 3. Liga has ended Lokomotive Leipzig 2 v 2 Verl, the visitors equalising very late in each half. All still to play for in the second leg on Tuesday.
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Qualification for CL and EL remained unchanged, though Hoffenheim pulled off a remarkable vistory at Dortmund to go ahead of Wolfsburg. At the bottom of the Bundesliga, Fortuna duly lost in Berlin, while Werder ran riot against Köln, so Fortuna go down and Werder go into the play-off.

But not the anticipated Nordderby as Hamburg imploded surprisingly at home to Sandhausen, leaving Heidenheim to face Werder. Matters seemed settled at the other end of the 2. Bundesliga after five minutes, as Nürnberg took the lead at Kiel and Karlsruhe went behind at Fürth, but Karlsruhe went on to win, Nürnberg conceded and could only draw, so they go into the relegation play-off on goal difference.

Their opponents remain unknown. Bayern ll are clear at the top, but cannot be promoted. Würzburg had an excellent win against Rostock to move to 63 points with two to play. Braunschweig had looked comfortable, but an equaliser midway through the second half by Zwickau raised doubts. Braunschweig took the lead on 90 minutes - and then conceded twice in added time to drop to third, on 61. The footrot of the Limping Zebras of Duisburg begins to look terminal; though they rallied to draw at home against lowly Halle, they drop out of the play-off spot, two behind Ingolstadt (60). Rostock, TSV 1860 and Waldhof retain outside chances of gaining the play-off spot. Zwickau's win leaves them just one point short of local rivals Chemnitz in the battle for survival - and they are at home to them on Wednesday. It could be a lively affair.

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Tuesday saw the second leg of the play-off for promotion to the 3. Liga. Lok Leipzig took the lead before referee Arne Aarnink,having issued 7 yellows in the first 51 minutes, had to be replaced, the injury being to his right leg, rather than his card-raising arm. Verl eventually equalised and won promotion on away goals, Lok having to remain in the Regionalliga Nord-ost.

Wednesday saw the penultimate round of fixtures, all played simultaneously as is the German custom at this point, in the 3. Liga and made for intriguing watching as scores were posted. Eintracht Braunschweig secured promotion; Würzburg unexpectedly were soundly beaten by Viktoria in Cologne, but nevertheless need only a point in their final match at home to Halle to ensure promotion and at worst would be in the play-off spot. Ingolstadt currently occupy that position, but inexplicably lost 0-2 at home to Magdeburg and face a difficult trip to TSV München at the weekend - a win for the hosts would see them move ahead of their visitors. The vet seemed to have worked his magic on the Limping Zebras, who twice led at leaders Bayern, only to be pulled back by a very late equaliser. Should Ingolstadt slip up, victory against Unterhaching in Duisburg would see the Zebras take the play-off spot ... unless ...

At the bottom of the table Münster were relegated, while Zwickau and Chemnitz were yoyoing to escape the fourth relegation spot. Zwickau won the match, and go into the final game at Mannheim two points ahead of Chemnitz, who must win at home to Hansa Rostock to have any chance of staying up. Hansa, though, still have irons in the fire, being level on points with Duisburg and needing a biggish win to wipe out their three goal deficit. It all makes the Premier League seem tame.

Thursday saw the first leg of the Bundesliga "Relegation" contest, small-town team Heidenheim emerging from their visit to Werder Bremen with a goalless draw. It is hard to know whether that favours them or not. We shall find out on Monday.
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The 3. Liga positions are now settled. The top two sides each lost their final match, leaving Bayern ll as champions. Würzburger Kickers were twice behind, but an added-time penalty enabled them to grab the point they needed for promotion to the 2. Bundesliga alongside Braunschweig. A good win for Ingolstadt secured the right to play off against Nürnberg, the Zebras missing out despite a four goal win. At the bottom, Chemnitz gained the victory they needed, but Zwickau clung on for a point in Mannheim, to send Chemnitz down by a difference of one goal. So Chemnitz and Jena head for the Regionalliga Nord-Ost, Münster for the Regionalliga West and Großaspach to the Regionalliga Sud-West.

Tonight's Cup Final between Bayern München and Bayer Leverkusen will be refereed by 42 year old Tobias Welz from Wiesbaden, who stepped down from the FIFA list in January after injury problems. He will have his regular assistants, Rafael Foltyn and 2. Bundesliga referee Dr Martin Thomsen as assistants. Patrick Ittrich will be 4th Official, with Felix Zwayer as VAR.
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The DFB has today announced changes to the referees for the top two divisions for next season. In the Bundesliga, Dr Robert Kampka has been dropped to the 2. Bundesliga, to be replaced by 29 year-old Florian Badstübner from Windsbach in Bavaria, seen twice in the course of the season and creating a very good impression the second time.

It has been decided to reduce the 2. Bundesliga list to 16: to this effect Bendikt Kempkes, Robert Kempter (after a dozen years at that level) and Rene Rohde have become Bundesliga Specialist Assistants, along with Philipp Hüwe. Tobias Christ and Holger Henschel have ended their careers as Assistants. The aptly named Johann Pfeifer will no longer be aptly named, having moved from the 2. Bundesliga referees list to the VAR room at that level. Two 2. Bundesliga referees, Dr Matthias Jöllenbeck (33) and Tobias Reichel (34) have been selected for a talent group - not promoted, but given matches in the top division. Similarly two 3. Liga officials will have the opportunity to handle some 2. Bundesliga games - Florian Lechner (29) and, much to JCFC's pleasure, Patrick Hanslbauer (29).

It is not yet known whether there will be changes to the 3. Liga list.
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A third minute own goal gave Werder Bremen a comfortable cushion in the Relegation match, until Heidenheim scored on 84 minutes and applied pressure, looking for the goal they needed. Werder though added a second four minutes into added time and though Heidenheim levelled the score with a penalty after 97 minutes, the away goals were enough to secure Werder's Bundesliga status.

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A third minute own goal gave Werder Bremen a comfortable cushion in the Relegation match, until Heidenheim scored on 84 minutes and applied pressure, looking for the goal they needed. Werder though added a second four minutes into added time and though Heidenheim levelled the score with a penalty after 97 minutes, the away goals were enough to secure Werder's Bundesliga status.

Who refereed the second leg JCFC? I know Zwayer did the first

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Dr Brych, with his usual assistants, Mark Borsch and Stefan Lupp. Daniel Schlager was 4thers.
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For the first leg of the 2.Bundesliga Relegation play-off, Sascha Stegemann was in charge. His assistants, Mike Pickel and Christian Gittelmann, are both now sparsely equipped in the hair region, but the 4thers, the youngest 2.Bundesliga referee, Nicolas Winter, has a dome which outshines them both. In the VAR cellar was Frank Willenborg, with Dr Henrik Bramlage at his side.

Historically, since its inception 12 years ago, the play-off has been won by the 3. Liga side 8 times to 3. Nürnberg (proudly referred to as Der Club) are favourites to close that gap, having secured a 2-0 victory over Die Schanzer in their home leg. Ingolstadt would need a remarkable performance to turn things round.
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