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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #165 on: Thu 13 Jun 2019 22:21 »
For me, the Norway player clearly fouls the French one - the only question I would have is whether the French player committed a foul first in the way she jumped in.

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« Reply #166 on: Fri 14 Jun 2019 18:18 »
i have held back judgement on the var subject, but after watching games today its time to offer up something.

vAR is to make it all black/white, thats to say to make the decisions more clear and so that the fans understand the decisions and can have the luxury of replay.

now, ive watched the womens world cup today, and watched as VAR was not used for 3 penalty incidents in the scotland v japan womens game, but yet was used for a stupid use imo when the jamaican keeper moved from her line early in a penalty incident v italy.

going back to the 3 penalty incidents, all 3 could have been given if you are utilising the rules of the game as they have been used up till now in the wwc. scotland were on the wrong end of a VAR decision the other day v england for a use of the hand when etheball hit a defenders hand unintentionally from a cross, today the japan defender delibarately uses her hand to block a flick up of the ball, yet the ref not only declines the penalty cal, but declines to use VAR.
she then follows that up by giving japan a penalty with no use of VAR for an innocuous challenge where the japan attacker went down with little physical contact and gave it despite being not up with play and gave it with not a moments decision time.
the same then happened at the other end and scotland were denied a penalty, denied any var decision and the ref waved them away.

then we have the call of VAR being used to analyze a keeper moving on the line. I mean seriously FFS, ive watched thousands of penalties, and lost count of the amount of times a keeper has moved or moved early, Milans keeper Dida used to do it all the time.
my point is though if you have VAR and have contencious moments in a game WHY NOT USE IT for the sake of clarity. why leave yourself open to debate and criticism when you choose not to use it and get found out to be wrong afterwards.

it seems to me its yet another scenario of the big clubs getting the benefit of VAR while the smaller teams are denied it.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #167 on: Fri 14 Jun 2019 18:28 »
Well it looks like VAR is going to be used for ALL penalties that are saved or possibly missed if the Italy v Jamaica game is anything to go by.

yes an offence had been committed with no foot on the line, but with both feet around 12" in front at the point of contact.

Keepers might as well let the ball go in because I would suggest that any keeper will make that forward motion for all penalties and he/she also will get cautioned.

I despair at how this is all panning out.

I had no idea that VAR would apply to this.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #168 on: Fri 14 Jun 2019 20:01 »
VAR has always applied to penalties and encroachement, etc. - I think you have to have a zero tolerance policy because it is like offside, you are either on or you are not.

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« Reply #169 on: Fri 14 Jun 2019 21:26 »
the point im making is that it was used for something as minimal as italy not socring a penalty against jamaica, a team they were likely to beat anyways, even if var had not been used for the penalty incident,

then take scotlands 2 penalty incidents that would have made the score possibly 3-2 in their favour against a team they were unlikely to beat. var was not used at all for the penalty incidents but it appears to be getting used for minimal penalty incidents and minimal incidents in favour of the higher ranked teams.

if you are going to have it then it has to be used, scotland will likely go home now on the back of three dubious decisions 2 of which were not even var analysed and yet were as contentious as the other var reviewed decisions i have seen.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #170 on: Fri 14 Jun 2019 23:27 »
Remember that VAR is constantly checking incidents throughout the game to see if it feels a review ought to be recommended, so VAR was in use for all of the incidents you refer to - the officials operating it on the day just didn't that a clear and obvious error had been made.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #171 on: Sat 15 Jun 2019 08:32 »
Scotland Ladies may not quite see it that way....how that handball is ignored beggars belief.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #172 on: Sat 15 Jun 2019 11:08 »
Remember that VAR is constantly checking incidents throughout the game to see if it feels a review ought to be recommended, so VAR was in use for all of the incidents you refer to - the officials operating it on the day just didn't that a clear and obvious error had been made.

Hmmm ..... so instead of referees on the field who cannot exhibit a degree of consistency, even within a game let alone across all games, with a perception that certain teams get a better deal than others, we have a team of VAR officials (unnecessarily dressed in referees' kit) sat in a room somewhere displaying exactly the same symptoms.

That was not what I was hoping for from "technology", different people making the same "mistakes" from a different place.

Goal line technology has been excellent. Offside verification is promising but I'm not convinced of the exactitude of it with everything hinging on the precise fraction of a second that the line is drawn. Say it takes a fifth of a second to execute a kick, it's often more, a person travelling at just 10 mph will have moved about 3 feet in that time.

I am also not comfortable with assistants not flagging for clear offsides if there's a chance of a goal scoring opportunity.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #173 on: Sat 15 Jun 2019 17:18 »
VAR is always going to be reliant on the judgement of those operating the system - there's no obvious way of overcoming that. I don't agree with every decision that VAR makes but that is obviously true of refereeing in general.

I don't think there's really any evidence to suggest that the 'bigger' teams get a better deal with VAR. I remember Portugal having quite a debatable handball given against them through VAR against Iran at the World Cup last year, a goal given to South Korea by VAR helped knock out Germany, Brazil thought VAR should have disallowed a Switzerland goal against them but it didn't, England thought they should have had a penalty against Tunisia but didn't, many people thought Chelsea should have had a penalty against Norwich in one of the first games in England played with VAR, most people thought the Tottenham goal against Rochdale that was disallowed through VAR was the incorrect decision...

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #174 on: Sat 15 Jun 2019 17:48 »
VAR is going to be like officiating by committee the way that it is going.
Referee's decision used to be final!

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #175 on: Sat 15 Jun 2019 19:12 »
if you are going to have it then it has to be used, scotland will likely go home now on the back of three dubious decisions 2 of which were not even var analysed and yet were as contentious as the other var reviewed decisions i have seen.

They will have been analysed as a matter of course, penalty shouts fall into the criteria, not every analysis is indicated with a stopping of the game & a ref drawing a rectangle in the air. They likely told the ref to carry on, as no a clear and obvious error had been made, in their opinion.
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« Reply #176 on: Sun 16 Jun 2019 00:17 »
in watching the copa america tonight and yet again, VAR is in place, and the ref is ignoring questionable challenges and not using the var to clarify the decision.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #177 on: Sun 16 Jun 2019 00:29 »
I am surprised the handball in the Japan V Scotland game wasn't reviewed considering Irrati was the VAR.

Makkelie was the VAR for the Jamaica V Italy penalty retake - I think he's been one of the best VARs and did the Champions League final.

I'm surprised that Valeri didn't intervene for this challenge in the Netherlands V Cameroon game - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/48649215

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« Reply #178 on: Sun 16 Jun 2019 21:54 »
another nothing penalty given to italy u21 v spain tonight, a half hearted pull back and the penalty is given, yet they didnt review the scotland handball. sorry this var system is fast becoming farcical. its supposed to eliminate debate over decisions yet all its doing is creating even more discussion, and they dont have the excuse of human error,  ::) ???
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #179 on: Mon 17 Jun 2019 09:34 »
Should the signal by the official(s) be a rectangle or a square?
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