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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #900 on: Sun 06 Sep 2020 16:34 »
I wonder how long it will be before we see something like that in England/Europe? Given the absence of fans, now would be a good time to start trying something like that!


Not sure it will happen in England, would be good if it did though. I can see UEFA doing it for the bigger tournaments and if it is well received then extending it to the CL/EL.

I think it's a good thing myself. You may well still disagree with a decision but listening to the thought process that has gone into it answers so many questions.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #901 on: Fri 11 Sep 2020 12:29 »
Caught a bit on Sky earlier of a video the Premier League have released saying that the goal West Ham had disallowed against Sheffield United in injury time last season after a Declan Rice accidental handball in the build-up would now be allowed as it was not considered to be part of the immediate build-up.

I'm not sure if that would still apply if Rice had immediately passed the ball rather than running with it for a bit!
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #902 on: Sat 24 Oct 2020 23:54 »
It’s beyond parody or satire. The McGuire foul tonight was clear and obvious.

The worst thing football has ever done (even worse than creating the Premier League) is to introduce this utter shambles.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #903 on: Sun 25 Oct 2020 09:58 »
Agree about the Maguire 'penalty'.  Not sure how PGMOL will explain that one.

Personally I thought West Ham were unlucky not to get a penalty.  The view from behind the goal line which presumably VAR looked at was pretty clear to my mind, notwithstanding the ball was going through the GK.  To be fair, it would have been more difficult for Taylor to spot.

And in the Liverpool v Sheffield United game was the Liverpool player's arm in a natural position when the ball hit his arm?  Not sure so maybe not clear and obvious?

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #904 on: Sun 25 Oct 2020 10:23 »
Agree about the Maguire 'penalty'.  Not sure how PGMOL will explain that one.

Personally I thought West Ham were unlucky not to get a penalty.  The view from behind the goal line which presumably VAR looked at was pretty clear to my mind, notwithstanding the ball was going through the GK.  To be fair, it would have been more difficult for Taylor to spot.

And in the Liverpool v Sheffield United game was the Liverpool player's arm in a natural position when the ball hit his arm?  Not sure so maybe not clear and obvious?

But what about the trip on Berge at 1-0? More clear than the penalty awarded

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #905 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 08:41 »
Well according to match of the day last night they asked if you would like VAR to continue out of 250,000 votes a staggering but not surprising 70% said they want rid of it

It has become farcical now especially for Bamfords disallowed goal I would expect Mike Dean to get that correct people have defended VAR to give it time but that time has not proved to be used to improve its efficiency sadly it has gone the other way   
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #906 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 14:43 »
We finally have the first penalty awarded for a player kicking the ball at a defenders hand! Congratulations Anthony Taylor  ;D

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #907 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 14:51 »
Agree about the Maguire 'penalty'.  Not sure how PGMOL will explain that one.

Personally I thought West Ham were unlucky not to get a penalty.  The view from behind the goal line which presumably VAR looked at was pretty clear to my mind, notwithstanding the ball was going through the GK.  To be fair, it would have been more difficult for Taylor to spot.

And in the Liverpool v Sheffield United game was the Liverpool player's arm in a natural position when the ball hit his arm?  Not sure so maybe not clear and obvious?

Even Maguire has publicly come and and said that he pushed Pickford before he was fouled, so I would assume the VAR check would have seen that.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #908 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 14:59 »
Agree about the Maguire 'penalty'.  Not sure how PGMOL will explain that one.

Personally I thought West Ham were unlucky not to get a penalty.  The view from behind the goal line which presumably VAR looked at was pretty clear to my mind, notwithstanding the ball was going through the GK.  To be fair, it would have been more difficult for Taylor to spot.

And in the Liverpool v Sheffield United game was the Liverpool player's arm in a natural position when the ball hit his arm?  Not sure so maybe not clear and obvious?

Even Maguire has publicly come and and said that he pushed Pickford before he was fouled, so I would assume the VAR check would have seen that.

I think you're a few weeks behind there!


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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #909 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 15:00 »
We finally have the first penalty awarded for a player kicking the ball at a defenders hand! Congratulations Anthony Taylor  ;D

Dermot Gallagher has always said that Stockley Park was sealed off and there was no communication with the outside world whilst the VAR officials were in operation. Clearly wrong as Sky have just shown Neil Swarbrick in there at half-time speaking to Stuart Attwell - and making lots of gestures with his arms!

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #910 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 15:04 »
Well according to match of the day last night they asked if you would like VAR to continue out of 250,000 votes a staggering but not surprising 70% said they want rid of it

It has become farcical now especially for Bamfords disallowed goal I would expect Mike Dean to get that correct people have defended VAR to give it time but that time has not proved to be used to improve its efficiency sadly it has gone the other way

Mike Dean did get it correct...

I think there's zero chance of VAR being scrapped. It's one thing to have a twitter poll on the day of controversy but we see it often said during Europa League, nations League etc. 'Why isn't there VAR?'

There was a survey of EFL supporters a while back where a clear majority wanted VAR introduced.

I do agree that there are clearly some improvements needed - in many cases with the laws rather than anything else. Mic the officials up, speed up/change the process of judging offside, come to a better consensus on handball, and filter out the VARs not up to the job.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #911 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 15:05 »
Agree about the Maguire 'penalty'.  Not sure how PGMOL will explain that one.

Personally I thought West Ham were unlucky not to get a penalty.  The view from behind the goal line which presumably VAR looked at was pretty clear to my mind, notwithstanding the ball was going through the GK.  To be fair, it would have been more difficult for Taylor to spot.

And in the Liverpool v Sheffield United game was the Liverpool player's arm in a natural position when the ball hit his arm?  Not sure so maybe not clear and obvious?



Even Maguire has publicly come and and said that he pushed Pickford before he was fouled, so I would assume the VAR check would have seen that.

I think you're a few weeks behind there!

D'oh, brain fart.  Ignore me (most people do ...  :) )

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #912 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 15:05 »
Missed the first Leicester penalty today but am confused by some comments on Sky about Taylor doubting himself.  Was the penalty awarded and then VAR advised him to check the monitor with Taylor sticking to his initial decision; or did Taylor off his own initiative ask to check the monitor (is that allowed under the protocol?). Or was it a 'normal' situation of Taylor not giving the penalty, VAR advises check the monitor, and Taylor then points to the spot?

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #913 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 16:02 »
Missed the first Leicester penalty today but am confused by some comments on Sky about Taylor doubting himself.  Was the penalty awarded and then VAR advised him to check the monitor with Taylor sticking to his initial decision; or did Taylor off his own initiative ask to check the monitor (is that allowed under the protocol?). Or was it a 'normal' situation of Taylor not giving the penalty, VAR advises check the monitor, and Taylor then points to the spot?

No a corner was awarded. Attwell has asked Taylor to have a look!

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #914 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 16:17 »
I think the active AR might have been telling Taylor there was a possible handball as he had by far the best view of it.  No point in him signalling it though as they know VAR will have a look.