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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #15 on: Mon 03 Dec 2018 17:19 »
A bit unfair on the clubs that get eliminated. Let’s hope that Liverpool PSG or Napoli are KO’d by a dodgy decision!

Why do you say that?

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #16 on: Mon 03 Dec 2018 23:06 »
VAR to be used in Champions League from Last 16 of this season - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46279815

Knee jerk reaction to Viktor's terrible decision!! It should have been brought in at the start - his AAR was useless on that occasion!!  Do you think AAR's will be phased out or still be used?
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« Reply #17 on: Tue 04 Dec 2018 13:06 »
When VAR comes in, the AAR's will have to go. They will become the VAR's, so whether they get any better is debatable.   :o

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #18 on: Tue 04 Dec 2018 17:19 »
When VAR comes in, the AAR's will have to go. They will become the VAR's, so whether they get any better is debatable.   :o


Thanks for that cheery thought!!
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #19 on: Sat 05 Jan 2019 20:19 »
It seems that the use of VAR in England will more commonly involve the referee simply accepting the information from the VAR rather than going to the screen as we saw at the World Cup.

I know this has raised debate on here previously.

Personally I generally prefer the process of the referee going to the monitor, partly because it is more standardised across the world. I also think it helps preserve the referee's authority if they are the one making the decision and prevents cases of a referee making a decision they wouldn't actually have given with the benefit of replays, whilst also making it clearer to the crowd/viewers who then know to expect the decision to be changed rather than a yellow card suddenly becoming a red card as happened at Palace today for instance. I can understand the arguments for not incorporating this element however.

I still think the end objective has to be to mic the officials up so everyone can hear what is being discussed to help fill the time waiting for the decision.

I presume UEFA will follow a policy more closely related to that which we saw in the World Cup when VAR is introduced in the Champions League next month.

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« Reply #20 on: Sat 05 Jan 2019 21:40 »

Why do VAR referees have to be actual referees?  Opening up the position to those who are way short of those fitness levels and may not have the man-management skills of referees, such as they are, will give a massively larger pool from which to source the very best at making VAR decisions. It's such a different skill that it's unlikely the best at one will also be the best at the other.

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« Reply #21 on: Sat 05 Jan 2019 21:54 »
I agree with Nemesis. A number of the best TMOs in Rugby Union did not referee at the highest level (and today saw a former Premiership referee get a try/no try decision wrong). I believe the senior VAR at the world cup, although he is a referee, was not from the Elite group. Former referees should also be involved (I though Swarbrick and Jones were being lined up but obviously not)

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #22 on: Sat 05 Jan 2019 22:46 »

Why do VAR referees have to be actual referees?  Opening up the position to those who are way short of those fitness levels and may not have the man-management skills of referees, such as they are, will give a massively larger pool from which to source the very best at making VAR decisions. It's such a different skill that it's unlikely the best at one will also be the best at the other.

Completely agree...regarding having ex referees added to that we have the likes of Grandad Walton, Swarbrick, Jones and the other up and coming retirees who I'm sure still have their eyesight and LOTG knowledge in tact despite their age!!

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« Reply #23 on: Sat 05 Jan 2019 23:50 »
Didn't like how Simon Hooper handled the VAR at all - why did he let a player take his runup for a penalty when a VAR review was taking place?
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #24 on: Sun 06 Jan 2019 00:12 »
Didn't like how Simon Hooper handled the VAR at all - why did he let a player take his runup for a penalty when a VAR review was taking place?

I don't think he did - I think he was blowing to signal that an offside was going to be given but Vydra started running up when he heard the whistle.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #25 on: Sun 06 Jan 2019 00:15 »

Why do VAR referees have to be actual referees?  Opening up the position to those who are way short of those fitness levels and may not have the man-management skills of referees, such as they are, will give a massively larger pool from which to source the very best at making VAR decisions. It's such a different skill that it's unlikely the best at one will also be the best at the other.

Completely agree...regarding having ex referees added to that we have the likes of Grandad Walton, Swarbrick, Jones and the other up and coming retirees who I'm sure still have their eyesight and LOTG knowledge in tact despite their age!!

I've always thought that would be a good idea although seeing the likes of Walton on BT Sport has made me less convinced because it feels like former referees can become out-dated quite quickly and certainly I think it's important that any VAR official is regularly attending training camps and completely in tune with modern interpretations.

I think Swarbrick and Jones are involved in VAR, although seemingly more behind the scenes.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #26 on: Sun 06 Jan 2019 08:55 »
I thought the idea of VAR was to check the validity of all goals, among other things, and if so why were the penalties at Burnley, Man Utd & Newcastle not retaken as players from both sides had encroached in the area.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #27 on: Sun 06 Jan 2019 09:56 »
I agree with the points on here about the viewers and listeners at home being allowed to hear the conversation between the ref and VAR as it seems to work OK in rugby and cricket.  I guess it might be more difficult technically for spectators in the ground but I can't think of another reason why they shouldn't too.  These are not state secrets being discussed after all.

I also agree with Nemesis about opening up the VAR's role although I guess for them to have credibility, they would need to have refereeing experience at a decent level.  However, that said, I am not convinced about Swarbrick's suitability if his contributions in The Times are anything to go by when he invariably supports the decision of the officials.  I can only actually recall once when he disagreed so not sure that he can bring a sufficiently dispassionate view to the proceedings.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #28 on: Sun 06 Jan 2019 10:48 »
Also, I see Morata made a VAR sign at Madley in the Chelsea game. No sanction. How long before we have two reviews per game and games lasting 2/3 hours?

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #29 on: Sun 06 Jan 2019 10:55 »
I’m surprised that this thread has not mentioned the poor handling by Simon Hooper. Penalty awarded. The player taking had actually started his run up when he stopped him and awarded an offside. Very messy. Surely he should have told the players they had to wait and it might have been better if he had kept possession of the ball. Maybe the VAR is right and that’s important but the refs need to utilise it properly.