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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #105 on: Tue 29 Jan 2019 09:12 »
I've seen a lot of people, such as Keith Hackett, suggesting that if they couldn't have VAR at every game in the fourth round they should have waited until the fifth round to introduce it for each tie.

But I don't really see what advantage that would serve - the likes of Everton would still have been knocked out of the cup in the fourth round and surely the aim for most supporters is to win the cup, not to get to the fifth round!
I agree.  Not using VAR in some matches because you can't use it in all of them is a rather contorted piece of logic.  We don't have enough FIFA referees to cover all the fifth round matches.  Using the same logic we wouldn't use any of them until the quarter finals.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #106 on: Tue 29 Jan 2019 13:55 »
I've seen a lot of people, such as Keith Hackett, suggesting that if they couldn't have VAR at every game in the fourth round they should have waited until the fifth round to introduce it for each tie.

But I don't really see what advantage that would serve - the likes of Everton would still have been knocked out of the cup in the fourth round and surely the aim for most supporters is to win the cup, not to get to the fifth round!
I agree.  Not using VAR in some matches because you can't use it in all of them is a rather contorted piece of logic.  We don't have enough FIFA referees to cover all the fifth round matches.  Using the same logic we wouldn't use any of them until the quarter finals.

The more I listen to Keith Hackett, the more surprised I am that he managed an organisaiton such as the PGMO for 5 years - he seems to change his mind every other week and doesn't offer solutions which are in any way realistic. Hackett seems to want a situation where VAR is not introduced until the resources are in place to cover 32 FA Cup ties on the same weekend with 40 officials already trained to operate the system but believes the Premier League should have introduced it at the start of this season!

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #107 on: Tue 29 Jan 2019 14:33 »
Clatts says Andre Marriner got it right, both the ruling out of the pen (via VAR obviously) & starting with a drop ball.

Well done, VAR. Referee Andre Marriner awards a penalty, despite it being a perfectly good challenge by defender Ethan Ampadu on Joey Pelupessy.
Marriner, from his angle, thinks Pelupessy plays the ball first and so he points to the spot.
However, as we can see from the television replays, it was in fact a good tackle by Ampadu and therefore not a foul.
This is why VAR is introduced – to prevent these incorrect calls. As for why a drop ball was awarded rather than a corner, the ball was still in play when Marriner blew his whistle to award a penalty.
That means the restart has to be a drop ball. It seems strange, but those are the rules.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6638119/Ethan-Ampadus-tackle-Joey-Pelupessy-VAR-introduced.html
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #108 on: Tue 29 Jan 2019 15:28 »
Clatts says Andre Marriner got it right, both the ruling out of the pen (via VAR obviously) & starting with a drop ball.

Well done, VAR. Referee Andre Marriner awards a penalty, despite it being a perfectly good challenge by defender Ethan Ampadu on Joey Pelupessy.
Marriner, from his angle, thinks Pelupessy plays the ball first and so he points to the spot.
However, as we can see from the television replays, it was in fact a good tackle by Ampadu and therefore not a foul.
This is why VAR is introduced – to prevent these incorrect calls. As for why a drop ball was awarded rather than a corner, the ball was still in play when Marriner blew his whistle to award a penalty.
That means the restart has to be a drop ball. It seems strange, but those are the rules.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6638119/Ethan-Ampadus-tackle-Joey-Pelupessy-VAR-introduced.html 

Blimey, Andre must have thought that it was a spot on penalty to react so quickly that he blew before the ball went out of play, particularly with the speed of the play at that point.  Ah well, you live and learn.
VAR is used to give a correct decision that it was not a penalty, however, the attacker is then penalised because it should have been a corner but the referee gives an uncontested drop ball.
There is something not morally correct about all that, particularly if the game had been played at Hillsborough, because it would have been a penalty ----rightly or wrongly and could have changed the whole game.  The referee has the final decision ----well he used to have!  :(
Referee's decision used to be final!

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #109 on: Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:28 »

VAR is used to give a correct decision that it was not a penalty, however, the attacker is then penalised because it should have been a corner but the referee gives an uncontested drop ball.
There is something not morally correct about all that, particularly if the game had been played at Hillsborough, because it would have been a penalty ----rightly or wrongly and could have changed the whole game.  The referee has the final decision ----well he used to have!  :(


That is down to the Law makers & hopefully something they will reconsider because it does seem unfair.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #110 on: Tue 29 Jan 2019 17:39 »

The more I listen to Keith Hackett, the more surprised I am that he managed an organisaiton such as the PGMO for 5 years - he seems to change his mind every other week and doesn't offer solutions which are in any way realistic.
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Sounds like the perfect person! Surprised he wasn't kept on longer
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #111 on: Tue 05 Feb 2019 15:53 »
Times reports that VAR incidents will not be shown on big screens at Champions League games, but graphics will be used instead to advise the crowd what is going on.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #112 on: Thu 07 Feb 2019 10:29 »
Times reports that VAR incidents will not be shown on big screens at Champions League games, but graphics will be used instead to advise the crowd what is going on.

Times also reports that players making a TV sign in CL games covered by VAR will receive a caution.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #113 on: Thu 07 Feb 2019 12:33 »
Times reports that VAR incidents will not be shown on big screens at Champions League games, but graphics will be used instead to advise the crowd what is going on.

Times also reports that players making a TV sign in CL games covered by VAR will receive a caution.

What's the betting that isn't enforced?!
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #114 on: Thu 07 Feb 2019 13:36 »
Times reports that VAR incidents will not be shown on big screens at Champions League games, but graphics will be used instead to advise the crowd what is going on.

Times also reports that players making a TV sign in CL games covered by VAR will receive a caution.

What's the betting that isn't enforced?!

Yes I suspect that will be on par with the booking players get (in theory anyway) for waving an imaginary card at the ref!
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #115 on: Thu 07 Feb 2019 15:17 »
Times reports that VAR incidents will not be shown on big screens at Champions League games, but graphics will be used instead to advise the crowd what is going on.

Times also reports that players making a TV sign in CL games covered by VAR will receive a caution.

What's the betting that isn't enforced?!

Yes I suspect that will be on par with the booking players get (in theory anyway) for waving an imaginary card at the ref!

Or, more simply, booking players for dissent.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #116 on: Thu 07 Feb 2019 16:06 »
I suspect it will be enforced - at least to begin with - with the recent example of refs being sent home from the World Cup for failing to follow VAR protocols coming to mind.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #117 on: Wed 20 Mar 2019 15:51 »
Mark Halsey suggested in a radio interview the other day that SG2 referees will be used as VARs for some Premier League games - if correct, it does beg the question as to why none have been used as VAR in the trial stage?

Can you imagine Andy Davies telling Michael Oliver that he's got a decision wrong?!

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #118 on: Wed 20 Mar 2019 16:43 »
Mark Halsey suggested in a radio interview the other day that SG2 referees will be used as VARs for some Premier League games - if correct, it does beg the question as to why none have been used as VAR in the trial stage?


I suspect because the priority will have been to train the SG1 refs first as they will naturally be the first choice.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #119 on: Wed 20 Mar 2019 18:21 »
Mark Halsey suggested in a radio interview the other day that SG2 referees will be used as VARs for some Premier League games - if correct, it does beg the question as to why none have been used as VAR in the trial stage?

I suspect because the priority will have been to train the SG1 refs first as they will naturally be the first choice.

They spent most of last season training Neil Swarbrick/Mike Jones on VAR who haven't done a single game this year!
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