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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1020 on: Fri 11 Jun 2021 06:56 »
However its done, Offside is still a binary thing - it is either offside or not offside and someone will still be called offside by "a toenail". 

So the moaning will not cease - unless, football introduces the equivalent of "umpire's call".  But for that, the ARs will have to make the "call" (as opposed to today's "wait and see" protocols" and - as long as it is within an agreed tolerance level- what they say goes.  It does mean that you could have two identical scenarios with one called offside and the other not, but that is what happens in cricket and they sort of accept that.  Might be a bit of a stretch for football though?
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1021 on: Fri 11 Jun 2021 09:19 »
"Premier League will use thicker lines to call marginal offside decisions with VAR next season, with the aim to give the attacker the benefit of the doubt"

Via SKY

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Allowing different competitions to decide the thickness of the lines sounds minor but it's actually allowing different margins of error.  Offside in one competition won't be offside in another.  I can't see IFAB standing quietly on the sidelines without issuing a standard for long. 
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1022 on: Fri 11 Jun 2021 13:20 »
Or we could go back to the old days of being level ...

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1023 on: Fri 11 Jun 2021 14:37 »
However its done, Offside is still a binary thing - it is either offside or not offside and someone will still be called offside by "a toenail". 

So the moaning will not cease - unless, football introduces the equivalent of "umpire's call".  But for that, the ARs will have to make the "call" (as opposed to today's "wait and see" protocols" and - as long as it is within an agreed tolerance level- what they say goes.  It does mean that you could have two identical scenarios with one called offside and the other not, but that is what happens in cricket and they sort of accept that.  Might be a bit of a stretch for football though?

Agree totally.  This will change nothing.  Even if you say a player has to be two yards offside to be penalised, the 'pundits' will then start kicking off about the ones that are two yards and half an inch.  It matters precious little where you draw the line, it's the perception of it that needs to change.  The sooner everyone just accepts that some marginal calls will go for you and some against then these pointless conversations will stop.

Personally, I've always thought a far easier way of judging offside (and selling the decisions to the masses) would be just to use position of the feet.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1024 on: Wed 16 Jun 2021 20:32 »
What about only the part off the body you actually score with has to be i.e. score with a header your head must have been onside
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1025 on: Thu 17 Jun 2021 09:22 »
What about only the part off the body you actually score with has to be i.e. score with a header your head must have been onside

It might not be the ‘scorer’ who is offside
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1026 on: Thu 05 Aug 2021 19:25 »
The rarest of things, Mike Riley is doing interviews! I literally don't think I've heard him speak since before Covid. He said VAR will give more benefit to attackers, as in Euro 2020, meaning 20 goals disallowed for offside last season would count this. He also said referees would aim to award fewer soft penalties and consider consequence of contact rather than simply penalising any contact in area. I think when they did media briefings a few years ago some audio clips of VAR were released. I've not been able to find any yet but if anyone comes across any please post!
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1027 on: Fri 06 Aug 2021 09:25 »
So 20 goals that were correctly disallowed for offside last season would be allowed this season even though there has been no Law change.  That doesn't seem right to me.

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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1028 on: Fri 06 Aug 2021 09:32 »
He needs to have a word with Oliver and Taylor then who have 30 penalties between them last season!
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« Reply #1029 on: Sun 08 Aug 2021 01:47 »
So 20 goals that were correctly disallowed for offside last season would be allowed this season even though there has been no Law change.  That doesn't seem right to me.

I guess it depends what you mean by 'correctly'. The officials work to a particular process with the technology so the decisions will be 'correct' based on that. This seems to be allowing for fact technology is not 100% accurate and is in line with what has been allowed in other countries/competitions. I think the point where the arm is measured from for attacking offside has also become more generous to attackers.

On another note, UEFA have announced that VAR will be used in World Cup qualifiers from September, despite first three rounds being played without VAR in March. This seems a bit more debatable to me than it being used in some FA Cup games but not others as the games already played have a direct impact on the rest of the competition but the perception seems to be UEFA can do no wrong with VAR and everything about it is terrible in England so I doubt there will be many complaints.



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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1030 on: Sun 08 Aug 2021 14:07 »

On another note, UEFA have announced that VAR will be used in World Cup qualifiers from September, despite first three rounds being played without VAR in March. This seems a bit more debatable to me than it being used in some FA Cup games but not others as the games already played have a direct impact on the rest of the competition but the perception seems to be UEFA can do no wrong with VAR and everything about it is terrible in England so I doubt there will be many complaints.


I don't agree with VAR being introduced mid competition, whether that is a UEFA/FIFA competition or a domestic one. It removes the level playing field.
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1031 on: Mon 09 Aug 2021 16:02 »
Interesting video where Chris Kavanagh talks us through the process that VAR take

https://www.premierleague.com/video/single/2203778
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1032 on: Wed 11 Aug 2021 17:43 »
Some more clips on the new VAR rules for this season.

This was by Jamie Carragher with Mike Riley, Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdmZ7L0T8aE

The following links contain videos by Riley and Chris Kavanagh explaining the new rules:

https://www.premierleague.com/news/2204759

https://www.premierleague.com/news/2204756
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1033 on: Thu 12 Aug 2021 12:56 »
Some more clips on the new VAR rules for this season.

This was by Jamie Carragher with Mike Riley, Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdmZ7L0T8aE

The following links contain videos by Riley and Chris Kavanagh explaining the new rules:

https://www.premierleague.com/news/2204759

https://www.premierleague.com/news/2204756


Thanks very much for posting Greeny. I especially enjoyed the one with Carragher. I wonder if there will be a longer version shown on Sky at some point?
It is good to see a bigger media profile but the sad thing is there will probably be complete silence as soon as the season starts. Ideally they would do something like the weekly Video Review in MLS or at least a few things like the above at various points in the season. It seems they've moved to try and improve some big issues with VAR but I think lack of communication and clarification has been a major problem. 
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Re: The VAR thread
« Reply #1034 on: Thu 12 Aug 2021 15:23 »
Some more from Jamie Carragher's interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKrt9DJyCyI
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