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Author Topic: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea  (Read 642 times)

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M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« on: Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:12 »
I’ve seen everything now.... offside by a head (literally) on the floor warrants a disallowed goal despite IMO he’s not interfering with play.

Jon Moss at the centre of controversy again from the VAR booth.

The penalty was correct from Atkinson, who’s had hardly anything else to do.

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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #1 on: Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:14 »
I’ve seen everything now.... offside by a head (literally) on the floor warrants a disallowed goal despite IMO he’s not interfering with play.

Jon Moss at the centre of controversy again from the VAR booth.

The penalty was correct from Atkinson, who’s had hardly anything else to do.

Agreed, but still unable to keep time.

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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #2 on: Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:15 »
I’ve seen everything now.... offside by a head (literally) on the floor warrants a disallowed goal despite IMO he’s not interfering with play.

Jon Moss at the centre of controversy again from the VAR booth.

The penalty was correct from Atkinson, who’s had hardly anything else to do.

Except being incompetent in adding the appropriate ammount of time in the 1st half

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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #3 on: Wed 01 Jul 2020 21:19 »
I’ve seen everything now.... offside by a head (literally) on the floor warrants a disallowed goal despite IMO he’s not interfering with play.

Jon Moss at the centre of controversy again from the VAR booth.

The penalty was correct from Atkinson, who’s had hardly anything else to do.

Except being incompetent in adding the appropriate ammount of time in the 1st half
 

I was serving dinner at the time so missed that bit lol.

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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #4 on: Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:16 »
My initial view was that the shot had hit Antonio on the way through, in which case he was offside.  But no matter what replay I watched I can't see any evidence of that, and I certainly don't think he was interfering with an opponent.

Completely agree on the time keeping.  VAR review took 3.5 minutes, and from stopping play for the water break to restarting was over two minutes, so added time of 3 minutes was massively short.  I've said it before, but I suspect the TV companies are influencing this as it is happening in every single game.  The Everton vs Leicester game prior to this had a 2.5 minutes VAR review and an equally long drinks break and it only had two minutes added.
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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #5 on: Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:25 »
My initial view was that the shot had hit Antonio on the way through, in which case he was offside.  But no matter what replay I watched I can't see any evidence of that, and I certainly don't think he was interfering with an opponent.

Completely agree on the time keeping.  VAR review took 3.5 minutes, and from stopping play for the water break to restarting was over two minutes, so added time of 3 minutes was massively short.  I've said it before, but I suspect the TV companies are influencing this as it is happening in every single game.  The Everton vs Leicester game prior to this had a 2.5 minutes VAR review and an equally long drinks break and it only had two minutes added.

The Premier League referees should have enough about them not to be influenced by what a TV company may want.

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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #6 on: Wed 01 Jul 2020 22:28 »
The only  way that the goal could be disallowed for offside was for a technicality and, to be honest, I think that that was why it was disallowed.
Antonio's head was in an offside position and he was right in front of  the goal and right in front of the keeper's line of vision and could also be said to be stopping the keeper from going for the ball, thus, with the modern interpretation of TLOG, the goals has to be disallowed.

They have messed about with things that much in the last few years that I no longer think that anyone has a 100% knowledge of what is legal or illegal no matter how much experience you have.

I would just add that -----VAR is never wrong!
Referee's decision used to be final!
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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #7 on: Thu 02 Jul 2020 08:09 »
Looking at the replays, it seemed to me that the ball was kicked against Antonio's body or legs as he lay on the ground and the "goal" was then scored from the rebound, in which case, Antonio has to be deemed offside, in my opinion, as he's played the ball albeit inadvertently. I don't think the GK's line of vision had much to do with it.

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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #8 on: Thu 02 Jul 2020 12:16 »
I think there is enough (possibly hit him, in keepers line of vision) for an offside offence to have been committed in law.

That said, I also thought the process and time taken was unacceptable.
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Re: M ATKINSON - West Ham v Chelsea
« Reply #9 on: Thu 02 Jul 2020 12:20 »
Looking at the replays, it seemed to me that the ball was kicked against Antonio's body or legs as he lay on the ground and the "goal" was then scored from the rebound, in which case, Antonio has to be deemed offside, in my opinion, as he's played the ball albeit inadvertently. I don't think the GK's line of vision had much to do with it.

It seemed to me they were looking at the phase after that when measuring the offside and I believe the PGMO have come out and said it was given for interfering with an opponent - https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1278418281519624193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1278418281519624193%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.refchat.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fwest-ham-v-chelsea.15528%2F

The Chelsea defender does have to step over Antonio to challenge which you could take into account.

Within the spirit of the laws, I'm not unhappy with offside here.
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