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Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« on: Sat 15 Apr 2023 23:00 »
A game that needed a strong referee, got one who struggled throughout - random foul detection & sanctions, no control/authority and it ended up with players taking it into their own hands.

In the first 10 mins, he gave a corner wrongly to Stoke when 10-15 yards from play, only for an assistant to tell him to reverse his decision to the correct one from the other side of the pitch. That set the tone.

Too many times West Brom players nudged or backed into a Stoke player when they were in mid air. This resulted in an injury to Hoever, which looked like a winding from a heavy landing, soon ran it off. But there was a serious injury to Ben Wilmot, who landed on his neck/head. Wilmot down but Woolmer strolled over casually before waving the medical team on - a few mins later they were gesturing for a stretcher for Woolmer to be wagging his finger at them. The stretcher was eventually allowed on and Wilmot carried off with oxygen. Still waiting for assessment at hospital.

Woolmer lost the plot from there giving soft free-kicks for minimal contact then missing obvious heavy challenges. And did very little about the time-wasting that saw him decide to show Ben Pearson a second yellow for a) taking it into his own hands by throwing the ball at Furlong twice, who just let it hit him and bounce back to delay the restart - no sanctions for Furlong's actions & b) dissent.

It's the third time I've seen him this year and they've all been below par but this one was seriously concerning as he was endangering the safety of the players with some of his decision making, or at times, lack of it. He struggles to get around the pitch and is too far from incidents.

The fact the managers described him as the pantomime villain and Alex Neil saying "one of the worst refereeing performances in senior football" summed up it.

Good luck to the Exeter and Derby players on Tuesday night, you'll need it if he's as inept as he was today.

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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #1 on: Sun 16 Apr 2023 15:14 »
Having only seen the highlights on itv, how on Earth does he not penalise Asante for the clearest of fouls on Wilmott? Similarly, the incident with Pearson near the end could easily have been avoided if Woolmer was being more proactive - West Brom clearly looking to run the clock down yet Woolmer seemed uninterested in getting play restarted!

Finally, his movement around the pitch is fairly poor now. I believe you should be able to continue refereeing at the highest levels of the game as long as you are physically capable, but I’m afraid Woolmer should seriously consider hanging up his whistle at the end of this campaign.
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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #2 on: Sun 16 Apr 2023 16:51 »
Agreed seen twice and he's the worst referee I've seen in league one this season by some distance.
My views are my own and not that of rate the ref .

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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #3 on: Sun 16 Apr 2023 17:09 »
Woolmer has been around for many years and is very experienced he once was a very good championship referee - seem to remember at one point he was a postman.  I understand that he is now 58 and probably like we have seen in the premier league with Graham Scott and Andre Marriner it is probably time to hang up the whistle and look to use his experience to mentor and train the upcoming younger referees.
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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #4 on: Sun 16 Apr 2023 18:33 »
Finally, his movement around the pitch is fairly poor now. I believe you should be able to continue refereeing at the highest levels of the game as long as you are physically capable, but I’m afraid Woolmer should seriously consider hanging up his whistle at the end of this campaign.

He must have passed the fitness test, therefore he is fit enough for that level of football.
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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #5 on: Tue 18 Apr 2023 11:24 »
Sad to read  that Ben Wilmot has sustained a fracture in his back and will miss the rest of  the season. I wish him a full recovery and hope that he is able to continue with his career when he is 100% fit again.
Referee's decision used to be final!

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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #6 on: Tue 18 Apr 2023 14:34 »
Woolmer has been around for many years and is very experienced he once was a very good championship referee - seem to remember at one point he was a postman.  I understand that he is now 58 and probably like we have seen in the premier league with Graham Scott and Andre Marriner it is probably time to hang up the whistle and look to use his experience to mentor and train the upcoming younger referees.

How old is Boyeson as he’s been around for ages.

We all thought when Walton retired no one could surpass that age to officiate effectively yet Woolmer has smashed that in spades.

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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #7 on: Tue 18 Apr 2023 16:02 »
https://twitter.com/secondtierpod/status/1647982569193889792

Dear Dear. Dreadful refereeing. So if the ball hits you its a YC? Surely everyone would just let it hit them now?

Nothing from blatant time wasting.

Should be two yellows for the west brom player.

What exactly did the stoke player do wrong?

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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #8 on: Tue 18 Apr 2023 17:12 »
https://twitter.com/secondtierpod/status/1647982569193889792

Dear Dear. Dreadful refereeing. So if the ball hits you its a YC? Surely everyone would just let it hit them now?

Nothing from blatant time wasting.

Should be two yellows for the west brom player.

What exactly did the stoke player do wrong?

Are you seriously asking that question?  He's thrown the ball at a player not looking at him, not with any force so it isn't violent conduct, but he then does it again.  Once he might get away with, twice he is really asking for trouble, and doing that when already on a yellow card is just sheer stupidity.
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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #9 on: Tue 18 Apr 2023 23:21 »
I think the second Pearson card was for dissent. Furlong let the ball hit him twice, Woolmer spoke to Pearson, so Furlong trudged to the halfway line, then strolled back to take the throw - while Pearson gave Woolmer another ear bashing resulting in the second yellow & red - all a bit of a farce. Could have been handled so much better by a stronger, more proactive ref.
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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #10 on: Tue 18 Apr 2023 23:27 »
I think the second Pearson card was for dissent. Furlong let the ball hit him twice, Woolmer spoke to Pearson, so Furlong trudged to the halfway line, then strolled back to take the throw - while Pearson gave Woolmer another ear bashing resulting in the second yellow & red - all a bit of a farce. Could have been handled so much better by a stronger, more proactive ref.

Agree simply booking the West Brom player

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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #11 on: Tue 18 Apr 2023 23:28 »
https://twitter.com/secondtierpod/status/1647982569193889792

Dear Dear. Dreadful refereeing. So if the ball hits you its a YC? Surely everyone would just let it hit them now?

Nothing from blatant time wasting.

Should be two yellows for the west brom player.

What exactly did the stoke player do wrong?

Are you seriously asking that question?  He's thrown the ball at a player not looking at him, not with any force so it isn't violent conduct, but he then does it again.  Once he might get away with, twice he is really asking for trouble, and doing that when already on a yellow card is just sheer stupidity.

So he is just meant to leave the ball for the West Brom player to not come and pick it up?

Abysmal refereeing.

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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #12 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 11:12 »
https://twitter.com/secondtierpod/status/1647982569193889792

Dear Dear. Dreadful refereeing. So if the ball hits you its a YC? Surely everyone would just let it hit them now?

Nothing from blatant time wasting.

Should be two yellows for the west brom player.

What exactly did the stoke player do wrong?

Are you seriously asking that question?  He's thrown the ball at a player not looking at him, not with any force so it isn't violent conduct, but he then does it again.  Once he might get away with, twice he is really asking for trouble, and doing that when already on a yellow card is just sheer stupidity.

He didn't throw it AT him, he threw it TO him, twice.  Too often teams get away with blatant time wasting with no attempt by the referee to deal with it.
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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #13 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 11:23 »
I found it quite interesting that Andy Woolmer seemed to pull his red and yellow out the same notebook! I’ve not seen that at quite a high level before. It looked like he had one red and one yellow in the same notebook. I’ve seen some referees have a notebook with two yellow cards in but never have I seen it that way at such a high level.
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Re: Stoke v West Brom - Andy Woolmer
« Reply #14 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 12:03 »
I found it quite interesting that Andy Woolmer seemed to put his red and yellow out the same notebook! I’ve not seen that at quite a high level before. It looked like he had one red and one yellow in the same notebook. I’ve seen some referees have a notebook with two yellow cards in but never have I seen it that way at such a high level.

Nothing high about him.

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