Author Topic: Andre Marriner - Arsenal v Chelsea (Read 745 times)

bradj123 · « **on:** Wed 12 May 2021 20:43 »

Interesting incident that led to Arsenal's opener. Chelsea player misplaces a clear pass to his goalkeeper and, it's going in the net for an OG, but the goalkeeper dives across and claws it off the line with his hand just in time.

Regardless, Arsenal eventually turn the rebound in for 0-1.

However, at no stage did Marriner appear to consider blowing for the clear backpass, or indicate advantage. It would have been interesting had the Chelsea defence cleared the ball.

In this situation, I wonder if Marriner did just "wait and see" (I guess so, common sense). If the backpass was given incidentally, what further action (if any) can be taken as the GK would have appeared to have denied a goal?

rustyref · « **Reply #1 on:** Wed 12 May 2021 21:07 »

All it could be is an indirect free kick. From law ...

If the goalkeeper handles the ball inside their penalty area when not permitted to do so, an indirect free kick is awarded but there is no disciplinary sanction

The problem would come about if too long had passed to go back from the advantage if Arsenal made a mess of the attack, but fair play to Andre he got this spot on.

TheThingFromLewes · « **Reply #2 on:** Wed 12 May 2021 21:09 »

Sky have just clarified the law.

It’s a FK on the 6 yard line and no card for the keeper.

I genuinely didn’t know that legislation so that’s something I’ve learnt today!!

bradj123 · « **Reply #3 on:** Wed 12 May 2021 21:28 »

I recognise the law but it surely raises an argument perhaps for sterner punishment for goalkeepers in this case... Even had the indirect free-kick been given, the chance of a goal isn't massive so, as it stands, goalkeepers could well take the risk in this situation in the future? It's almost a handball DOGSO without fear of red card.

ajb95 · « **Reply #4 on:** Wed 12 May 2021 22:19 »

A goalkeeper cannot be sent off for handball inside their own area as this is considered “their area” which differs them from outfield players but they can be sent off for DOGSO, VC, SFP etc.

ARF · « **Reply #5 on:** Wed 12 May 2021 22:51 »

Quote from: ajb95 on Wed 12 May 2021 22:19

A goalkeeper cannot be sent off for handball inside their own area as this is considered “their area” which differs them from outfield players but they can be sent off for DOGSO, VC, SFP etc.

(with the exception that if the handling is a second touch from a goal kick or free kick and it denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity, they would be sent off)

RCG · « **Reply #6 on:** Wed 12 May 2021 23:30 »

Unless I am wrong, you cannot score a goal against yourself directly from a goal kick or free kick, so how could a 2nd touch, albeit with hands, be denying a goal? Best thing to do is let it in unless I am guessing an attacker must be v close by.

LateTackle · « **Reply #7 on:** Thu 13 May 2021 02:41 »

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 12 May 2021 21:09

Sky have just clarified the law.

It’s a FK on the 6 yard line and no card for the keeper.

I genuinely didn’t know that legislation so that’s something I’ve learnt today!!

I was aware of this and saw it incorrectly applied some years ago in a game at the Ricoh by Salisbury Senior. He actually had three goes at setting up the free kick but still got it wrong by ordering it to be taken on the side line of the goal area for some reason. The whole stadium was falling about laughing in the end.

RefObserver · « **Reply #8 on:** Thu 13 May 2021 09:02 »

Quote from: RCG on Wed 12 May 2021 23:30

Unless I am wrong, you cannot score a goal against yourself directly from a goal kick or free kick, so how could a 2nd touch, albeit with hands, be denying a goal? Best thing to do is let it in unless I am guessing an attacker must be v close by.

The scenario ARF (and indeed law) refers to is if the keeper takes said FK or GK but it is going to an opponent who would score, it is a DOGSO offence and red card if they take a 2nd touch with hands to stop opponent playing the ball, not if it was going in.

Ref Watcher · « **Reply #9 on:** Thu 13 May 2021 09:52 »

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 12 May 2021 21:09

Sky have just clarified the law.

And in a remarkable turn up for the books Sky clarified the Law very accurately and concisely.

Had I been Andre Marriner I would have been running back to the halfway line signalling advantage as if my life depended on it but he has less need to make sure everyone notices his good decisions than I do!

ajb95 · « **Reply #10 on:** Thu 13 May 2021 10:18 »

Quote from: Ref Watcher on Thu 13 May 2021 09:52

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 12 May 2021 21:09
Sky have just clarified the law.
And in a remarkable turn up for the books Sky clarified the Law very accurately and concisely.

Had I been Andre Marriner I would have been running back to the halfway line signalling advantage as if my life depended on it but he has less need to make sure everyone notices his good decisions than I do!

We all know who would have done that! 😂

justalino · « **Reply #11 on:** Thu 13 May 2021 12:17 »

Quote from: Ref Watcher on Thu 13 May 2021 09:52

Quote from: TheThingFromLewes on Wed 12 May 2021 21:09
Sky have just clarified the law.
And in a remarkable turn up for the books Sky clarified the Law very accurately and concisely.

Had I been Andre Marriner I would have been running back to the halfway line signalling advantage as if my life depended on it but he has less need to make sure everyone notices his good decisions than I do!

Whilst Sky did clarify the law accurately, it's still worth noting that Martin Tyler absolutely hadn't realised what had happened until someone clearly told him in his ear about five minutes later, before still going onto say he wasn't sure if the 'advantage' was by 'accident or design' and then feeling the need to bring up an error Andre made three years ago!! Yet another example of anything to do with refereeing being viewed by the media with a negative slant. I wonder why we have a problem recruiting and retaining referees??

But yes, had I been the referee I wouldn't have stopped signalling advantage for at least ten minutes!!

Claretman · « **Reply #12 on:** Thu 13 May 2021 23:33 »

Marriner did the sensible thing and let play continue and let the advantage occur.
In this circumstance i can see no advantage to the attackers in gaining an indirect free kick six yards from goal.
The likelihood of such a free kick being taken, resulting in a goal is almost nil, with 11 defenders between the goalposts.
The incident last night is a very rare occurrence, but should a goalkeeper should be allowed to make a save with his hand whilst not gaining control of the ball, to prevent his team conceding an own goal?

The defender should be obeying the golden rule and not be passing the ball towards his own goal in the direction of between the goalposts.

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