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Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« on: Sat 10 Nov 2018 16:58 »
According to SSN Simon Hooper missed a blatant Watford Penalty and also incorrectly disallowed a Southampton goal but for the latter again according to SSN he was using comms so the AR probably intervened but apparently Hooper was well placed to use his own judgement

If the highlights on MOTD back the above up then it seems on the rare occasions Hooper gets PL middle he gets KMI wrong
« Last Edit: Sat 10 Nov 2018 23:48 by dave26 »

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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #1 on: Sat 10 Nov 2018 17:32 »
Been totally slated on BBC s Final Score which included a very angry interview with Charlie Austin.
More fuel for those of us, myself included, who were amazed when he was promoted to the PL
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #2 on: Sat 10 Nov 2018 20:11 »
First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he should have the book thrown at him! Obviously what Mark Hughes said you wouldn’t expect anything different from him.
All I can say is that it’s a terrible decision. First by AR Lennard and then Hooper who has a clear view of the incident- baffling!
What gets me miffed as well with the post match reactions From saints personnel is that at 1-0 Watford are denied a clear penalty which could have been a red card as well. So to say they would have won 2-0 is totally incorrect!
We won’t be seeing much of Hooper if he carries on in this vein!
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #3 on: Sat 10 Nov 2018 20:32 »
I've not seen the said incidents yet so can't pass judgement.

However I will pass judgement that promoting Hooper was a garbage decision. If Riley and the clowns at PGMOL think he is what's required and SG1 material then it makes the bizarre and ridiculous decision they took in not promoting Madley even more baffling.




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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #4 on: Sat 10 Nov 2018 20:48 »
I watched BT Sport Score this afternoon and the panel were split down the middle on the Southampton goal decision - Dean Saunders and John Hartson both thought where the player was could influence the keeper therefore he was interfering - Robbie Savage and Tim Sherwood thought it should have stood.  Now, I've not seen it but generally when you have four players who completely disagree with each other it generally means it was a very tough call.  They were all in agreement about the Watford penalty though as was Peter Walton.  I wasn't paying 100% attention all afternoon so missed it if Peter Walton expressed a view on the disallowed goal. 

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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #5 on: Sat 10 Nov 2018 23:47 »
Having seen various angles on MOTD nothing tough about it they should have got it correct imo Harry Lennard has guessed Hooper clearly seen pointing to his earpiece making it clear he got feedback
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #6 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 00:09 »
First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he should have the book thrown at him! Obviously what Mark Hughes said you wouldn’t expect anything different from him.
All I can say is that it’s a terrible decision. First by AR Lennard and then Hooper who has a clear view of the incident- baffling!
What gets me miffed as well with the post match reactions From saints personnel is that at 1-0 Watford are denied a clear penalty which could have been a red card as well. So to say they would have won 2-0 is totally incorrect!
We won’t be seeing much of Hooper if he carries on in this vein!

I agree with everything you say after the opening sentence but the comment about Charlie Austin being a disgrace who should have the book thrown at him had me wondering if you are a Pompey fan. Apologies of you aren't but they interviewed him straight after the game when emotions were still raw and he had every right to be angry. Lets be honest he wasn't exactly spreading fake news because between them the officials had an absolute shocker.
If Black and White is so brilliant why do most of us have colour tellies
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #7 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 00:23 »
Having seen various angles on MOTD nothing tough about it they should have got it correct imo Harry Lennard has guessed Hooper clearly seen pointing to his earpiece making it clear he got feedback

Harry Lennard again ??? 

Perhaps Hooper was pointing to his head to indicate that he thought that the ball hit the non-involved player on the head?

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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #8 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 00:47 »
I don't have a problem with the assistant notifying Hooper that the player was in an offside position but I do think the wrong decision was reached - Hooper was probably in the best place to make the correct call.

I can vaguely see how they came to the decision they did but you'd hope for better at the top level.

Clear penalty missed too.
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #9 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 01:04 »
Unless they thought the Southampton player headed the ball on the way throuhg (althoguh the referee could see that it didn't) then this was similar to one of the examples they provided as to what constitues interefering. The example being Rooney against Burton (I think) in the FA Cup where the ball passes by him but he makes no movement to play the ball and in actual fact moves his body out of the way of the ball to make sure it doesn't hit him - they decided that should have been offside.
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #10 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 08:49 »
So Simon has had 4 PL games, and made key mistakes in 2 off them. Not a very good ratio! for someone who is meant to be one of the best 18 referees in England.

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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #11 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 09:21 »
I saw the hoo-hah about the performance of Hooper on Saturday teatime, and the Austin interview, but due to a dinner engagement didn't see the game until this morning.

 There is nothing I can really add that hasn't already been said, apart from there were two catastrophic decisions that really should have been dealt with differently, BUT I want to pass comment about Mark Hughes and his hypocrisy.

  Some of you may recall five years ago this weekend my beloved club Sunderland were at Stoke City who was managing at the time when the match referee Kevin Friend sent off Wes Brown for making a perfectly timed tackle where the ball took a different course .In the referee's opinion it was reckless and the man was played first.As stupid a decision as you will ever see that on the previous forum caused a lot of debate. We ended up losing 0-2.

 In fairness to the referee he recinded the decision immeadiately and from what we could see got neccesary development before refereeing in the PL again.

 Mark Hughes however was the only person in the civilised world who thought the tackle was outrageous and praised the referee's courage for sending Wes off.

 What goes around comes around Mr Hughes.That totallly wrong decision to disallow a perfectly good goal could not have happened to a better person.
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #12 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 09:45 »
First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he should have the book thrown at him! Obviously what Mark Hughes said you wouldn’t expect anything different from him.
All I can say is that it’s a terrible decision. First by AR Lennard and then Hooper who has a clear view of the incident- baffling!
What gets me miffed as well with the post match reactions From saints personnel is that at 1-0 Watford are denied a clear penalty which could have been a red card as well. So to say they would have won 2-0 is totally incorrect!
We won’t be seeing much of Hooper if he carries on in this vein!

I agree with everything you say after the opening sentence but the comment about Charlie Austin being a disgrace who should have the book thrown at him had me wondering if you are a Pompey fan. Apologies of you aren't but they interviewed him straight after the game when emotions were still raw and he had every right to be angry. Lets be honest he wasn't exactly spreading fake news because between them the officials had an absolute shocker.

I can only agree that Hooper's performance was way short of what is required at that level.  He should be having a 'holiday' after that, and there needs to be serious consideration of his suitability to officiate at that level.

With regard to Austin's comments, I wonder whether those slagging him off actually listened to what he said.  Yes, he was very critical of the officials, but that is understandable, especially moments after the final whistle.  But his real point was that VAR would have resolved the issue and it's about time we had it as officials need all the help they can get.  He may have been angry, but he made the point perfectly well. 
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #13 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 11:21 »
First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he should have the book thrown at him!

What were the particularly disgraceful comments from Austin? Which of his comments was not even true?

No-one who has seen Hooper plying his trade in the Championship, or below, on a regular basis in the past will be the slightest bit surprised that he has once again shown himself to be woefully short of the standard required. The frightening thing is that those who select our top officials appear to be exercising chronically poor judgement time and time again.

On the plus side, wonderful campaigning for VAR from the wretched Hooper.

On the minus side, more likely to have to endure him in the Championship - for this season at least.
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Re: Simon Hooper Southampton vs Watford
« Reply #14 on: Sun 11 Nov 2018 11:22 »
First of all the comments by Austin are a disgrace and he should have the book thrown at him! Obviously what Mark Hughes said you wouldn’t expect anything different from him.
All I can say is that it’s a terrible decision. First by AR Lennard and then Hooper who has a clear view of the incident- baffling!
What gets me miffed as well with the post match reactions From saints personnel is that at 1-0 Watford are denied a clear penalty which could have been a red card as well. So to say they would have won 2-0 is totally incorrect!
We won’t be seeing much of Hooper if he carries on in this vein!

I agree with everything you say after the opening sentence but the comment about Charlie Austin being a disgrace who should have the book thrown at him had me wondering if you are a Pompey fan. Apologies of you aren't but they interviewed him straight after the game when emotions were still raw and he had every right to be angry. Lets be honest he wasn't exactly spreading fake news because between them the officials had an absolute shocker.

I can only agree that Hooper's performance was way short of what is required at that level.  He should be having a 'holiday' after that, and there needs to be serious consideration of his suitability to officiate at that level.

With regard to Austin's comments, I wonder whether those slagging him off actually listened to what he said.  Yes, he was very critical of the officials, but that is understandable, especially moments after the final whistle.  But his real point was that VAR would have resolved the issue and it's about time we had it as officials need all the help they can get.  He may have been angry, but he made the point perfectly well.


You're absolutely right about Austin, but it's often a standard response on here to say something like "Throw the book at him" instead of listening to what he's actually said.

Any book-throwing should be at Lennard, Hooper and the people who have elevated him to a position he really isn't good enough for.
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