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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #30 on: Fri 03 Jan 2020 22:24 »
Quote from: Mackem ref on Fri 03 Jan 2020 19:05
I was thinking that myself Nemisis. If they continue with the one FA Cup/League Cup final then we could have a scenario where Lee Mason referees both this season.....


In terms of assistant referees, I think we're quite fortunate that we have a number of decent assistants coming through the ranks. The likes of Sian Massey-Ellis, Dan Cook, Dan Robathan etc. are all still to have the finals and then the likes of Akil Howson, Shaun Hudson etc. are coming through the SG2 ranks and will no doubt be SG1/FIFA assistants in time!

It's not without the bounds of possibility that Mason could get the League Cup Final; as for the FA Cup Final, I would be amazed ( but then the appointing Powers have amazed us before ) I think the FA Cup Final will be divvied up between Pawson, Kavanagh, Tierney and Attwell i nthe next few years.

I don't know enough about ARs to give a pecking order but Massey-Ellis always impresses me and I would not be in the least bit surprised to see her on the line  in the FA Cup Final this year quite possibly along with Cook.
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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #31 on: Fri 03 Jan 2020 22:29 »
If he hasn’t already had one I would say Constantine Hatzidakis is a good bet and probably Lee Betts
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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #32 on: Fri 03 Jan 2020 22:32 »
If Betts hasn't already had the honour then I would agree. As to Hatzidakis, lordy, what was it m'learned friend nemesis wrote about the relationship between appointments to high profile matches and previous performances ?
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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #33 on: Sat 04 Jan 2020 08:37 »
Just checking the list, Betts had the honour in 2018 and Hatzidakis last year ( such appointments do not stay in the memory bank for long ) so I will stick with Massey-Ellis and Cook for this year.
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« Reply #34 on: Sat 04 Jan 2020 09:42 »
Massey-Ellis has worked with Chris Kavanagh (3 times over Christmas for example) so if she were appointed I wonder if it would be in Kavanagh's team.  On seniority, I guess Pawson is more likely for the CF though.  I think Hatzidakis has also worked with CK a fair bit, but as you say Whistleblower, he's already had the honour in 2019.

So, the 'regular' teams can't always apply in FACFs as AR's may already have featured.  For example, Oliver's 2 regular ARs had already had the Final when he refereed in 2018.   
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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #35 on: Mon 06 Jan 2020 09:54 »
I'm not sure if it was Davies or Venamore who made the offside decision in the Watford V Tranmere game on Saturday but one of the poorest offside calls I've seen this season as ball clearly came off Watford player - one where you'd have thought referee Graham Scott should really be helping out too. (Penalty to Tranmere at end also looked fairly clear cut - good job there was VAR!)

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« Reply #36 on: Mon 06 Jan 2020 10:30 »
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 06 Jan 2020 09:54
(Penalty to Tranmere at end also looked fairly clear cut - good job there was VAR!)

I wonder if Graham Scott felt the same way when Lee Mason advised he downgraded the RC to a yellow in the West Ham v Bournemouth match :)
Some strong criticism of that decision (including by Hackett).  One can only speculate what conclusion Scott would have arrived at had he looked at the monitor!
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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #37 on: Mon 06 Jan 2020 12:48 »
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I'm not sure if it was Davies or Venamore who made the offside decision in the Watford V Tranmere game on Saturday but one of the poorest offside calls I've seen this season as ball clearly came off Watford player - one where you'd have thought referee Graham Scott should really be helping out too. (Penalty to Tranmere at end also looked fairly clear cut - good job there was VAR!)

The assistant had no chance of seeing the ball had come off the Watford player from his position.
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« Reply #38 on: Mon 06 Jan 2020 13:59 »
Quote from: TVOS on Mon 06 Jan 2020 12:48
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 06 Jan 2020 09:54
I'm not sure if it was Davies or Venamore who made the offside decision in the Watford V Tranmere game on Saturday but one of the poorest offside calls I've seen this season as ball clearly came off Watford player - one where you'd have thought referee Graham Scott should really be helping out too. (Penalty to Tranmere at end also looked fairly clear cut - good job there was VAR!)

The assistant had no chance of seeing the ball had come off the Watford player from his position.

I think there was a reasonable distance between the Watford players and the Tranmere player and between them the officials should have got it right without VAR - if the ball had gone straight out of play and they'd given a goal-kick instead of a corner I'd think it was a poor decision.

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« Reply #39 on: Mon 06 Jan 2020 17:45 »
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Quote from: TVOS on Mon 06 Jan 2020 12:48
Quote from: Readingfan on Mon 06 Jan 2020 09:54
I'm not sure if it was Davies or Venamore who made the offside decision in the Watford V Tranmere game on Saturday but one of the poorest offside calls I've seen this season as ball clearly came off Watford player - one where you'd have thought referee Graham Scott should really be helping out too. (Penalty to Tranmere at end also looked fairly clear cut - good job there was VAR!)

The assistant had no chance of seeing the ball had come off the Watford player from his position.

I think there was a reasonable distance between the Watford players and the Tranmere player and between them the officials should have got it right without VAR - if the ball had gone straight out of play and they'd given a goal-kick instead of a corner I'd think it was a poor decision.

Are we thinking of the same incident?

If anyone, Graham Scott should have seen it. The assistant had no chance.
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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #40 on: Mon 13 Jan 2020 16:11 »
Quote from: nemesis on Fri 03 Jan 2020 18:45
Quote from: Readingfan on Fri 03 Jan 2020 17:16
I normally like Scott Ledger but again a few poor decisions at Man City V Everton the other day, following on from Man Utd V Arsenal earlier in the season (probably worst decision made by SG assistant in PL this season.)

I was thinking he might have a chance of FA Cup final this season but that is perhaps less likely after some recent decisions. I wonder who is most likely to be assistants on League Cup/FA Cup finals this season?

You seem to be under the impression that selection for matches, even big matches, is somehow based on performances in previous games. How quaint.

I was quite surprised to see Scott Ledger on Liverpool V Manchester United this weekend!
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« Reply #41 on: Mon 13 Jan 2020 17:53 »
Much is often said about the logic of referee appointments regarding frequency and distances travelled but how about the assistants is any thought ever given in that direction I wonder. An example ,this Saturday coming one of the assistants on the Brighton game, who I beleive comes from the north is also on the Brighton game again on the Tuesday and this time is at Bournemouth so presumably because of the times officials have to meet before games that will involve two overnight stops and around 8oo miles + in three days ?
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« Reply #42 on: Mon 13 Jan 2020 18:08 »
Quote from: Kopref on Mon 13 Jan 2020 17:53
Much is often said about the logic of referee appointments regarding frequency and distances travelled but how about the assistants is any thought ever given in that direction I wonder. An example ,this Saturday coming one of the assistants on the Brighton game, who I beleive comes from the north is also on the Brighton game again on the Tuesday and this time is at Bournemouth so presumably because of the times officials have to meet before games that will involve two overnight stops and around 8oo miles + in three days ?

Or he’ll just stay down south.
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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #43 on: Mon 13 Jan 2020 18:52 »
Quote from: TVOS on Mon 13 Jan 2020 18:08
Quote from: Kopref on Mon 13 Jan 2020 17:53
Much is often said about the logic of referee appointments regarding frequency and distances travelled but how about the assistants is any thought ever given in that direction I wonder. An example ,this Saturday coming one of the assistants on the Brighton game, who I beleive comes from the north is also on the Brighton game again on the Tuesday and this time is at Bournemouth so presumably because of the times officials have to meet before games that will involve two overnight stops and around 8oo miles + in three days ?

Or he’ll just stay down south.

I'd expect the same. An hour up/down the road from one hotel to the other which certainly makes far more sense.
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Re: SG assistant referees
« Reply #44 on: Mon 13 Jan 2020 19:41 »
Quote from: bmb on Mon 13 Jan 2020 18:52
Quote from: TVOS on Mon 13 Jan 2020 18:08
Quote from: Kopref on Mon 13 Jan 2020 17:53
Much is often said about the logic of referee appointments regarding frequency and distances travelled but how about the assistants is any thought ever given in that direction I wonder. An example ,this Saturday coming one of the assistants on the Brighton game, who I beleive comes from the north is also on the Brighton game again on the Tuesday and this time is at Bournemouth so presumably because of the times officials have to meet before games that will involve two overnight stops and around 8oo miles + in three days ?

Or he’ll just stay down south.

I'd expect the same. An hour up/down the road from one hotel to the other which certainly makes far more sense.

I agree entirely. Makes far more sense. Many of us have had to spend periods away from home when pursuing our professional careers; don't see why Match Officials should be any different.
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