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Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 18:40 »
For a first championship outing, I think Mr Oldham will be very happy with his performance. I felt he was fairly consistent throughout, cautioned when needed and talked to players all afternoon (indeed you could hear his booming voice from my seat when telling players from where a throw should be taken - havenít heard that yet this season!)

Big decision of the match undoubtedly the penalty to Sunderland. I have seen a replay and for me it is not a penalty. Mr Oldham himself didnít seem too interested initially and there was clear input from AR2 before the awarding of the kick so I believe it was most likely his call rather than Oldhamís.

All in all, would welcome him back to the SoL with performances like that. Certainly far better than many of the SG2 refs we have seen this season.

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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #1 on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 18:45 »
Very solid game, havenít seen the penalty decision and it was the other side of the ground so canít comment.

My one very minor criticism and probably due to my bias is he placed the free kick that luton went to score from in the wrong place after being insistent that they are taken from

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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #2 on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 19:57 »
It is interesting to see what the 'fans?' say
Quotes from match report
'the only thing which unites all fans is the poor quality of the officials' - 'they get worse and worse' -'you can beat the opposition but not the 12th man' -'disgraceful' - lino might bea bit embarrassed when he watches the highlights' - 'these refs are a disgrace' - 'another set of incompetent officials' -  and so it goes on - interesting how fans see things different
Iwonder were they all at the same match!!!!!

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« Reply #3 on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 23:36 »
It is interesting to see what the 'fans?' say
Quotes from match report
'the only thing which unites all fans is the poor quality of the officials' - 'they get worse and worse' -'you can beat the opposition but not the 12th man' -'disgraceful' - lino might bea bit embarrassed when he watches the highlights' - 'these refs are a disgrace' - 'another set of incompetent officials' -  and so it goes on - interesting how fans see things different
Iwonder were they all at the same match!!!!!

I am probably as guilty as the next man on that point but I remember the same opposition ( Luton Town) being on the end of an extremely generous penalty decision given by Lee Probert the last time the sides met in 2018/19.

Just pleased to be on the opposite side of the mucky stick for a change.

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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #4 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 08:28 »
For someone taking his first Championship game - I thought for 99% of it, he was excellent. Tried to allow the game to flow and didn't get taken in with some of the BS the players were trying to throw at him. Very similar to Leigh Doughty last weekend, who was by-and-large, good but missed one very key decision.

The penalty decision was clearly very wrong - but it appeared to be the assistantís influence that gave it.

Luton just arenít getting the decisions at the moment.

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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #5 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 10:54 »
Its one of those I've seen given but it's never a penalty

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« Reply #6 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 13:00 »
Definitely given by AR and as the TV didnt have a camera on that side we cannot be certain what has been seen.
My gut says play on was the better decision

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« Reply #7 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 15:44 »
For someone taking his first Championship game - I thought for 99% of it, he was excellent. Tried to allow the game to flow and didn't get taken in with some of the BS the players were trying to throw at him. Very similar to Leigh Doughty last weekend, who was by-and-large, good but missed one very key decision.

The penalty decision was clearly very wrong - but it appeared to be the assistantís influence that gave it.

Luton just arenít getting the decisions at the moment.

In fairness neither are Sunderland.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 18:05 »
Definitely given by AR and as the TV didnt have a camera on that side we cannot be certain what has been seen.
My gut says play on was the better decision
I saw him in real time that he spent a few seconds looking over to his assistant.

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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #9 on: Mon 20 Mar 2023 20:05 »
 I was chastised on BBC Have your say for calling the official with the flag the assistant referee and not by the correct term of referee's assistant.😀


 I am sure my primary school headmaster the late Mr G.D Green from Sunderland who ran the line in Football League fixtures in the fifties and sixties would have been the first to correct me.

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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #10 on: Tue 21 Mar 2023 08:36 »
I was chastised on BBC Have your say for calling the official with the flag the assistant referee and not by the correct term of referee's assistant.😀


 I am sure my primary school headmaster the late Mr G.D Green from Sunderland who ran the line in Football League fixtures in the fifties and sixties would have been the first to correct me.

Assistant referee, referee's assistant;  " either either, neither neither, let's call the whole thing off " and go back to calling them linos.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #11 on: Tue 21 Mar 2023 11:09 »
I was chastised on BBC Have your say for calling the official with the flag the assistant referee and not by the correct term of referee's assistant.😀


 I am sure my primary school headmaster the late Mr G.D Green from Sunderland who ran the line in Football League fixtures in the fifties and sixties would have been the first to correct me.

Assistant referee, referee's assistant;  " either either, neither neither, let's call the whole thing off " and go back to calling them linos.


I certainly agree we could / can / should call them Linos, but Assistant Referee is the correct term, according to Law 6.

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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #12 on: Tue 21 Mar 2023 14:39 »
I think when the term was first employed it was referee's assistant but as everyone soon started transposing this to assistant referee the latter became adopted by usage.

As for Scott Oldham, I shall have the opportunity to see him for the first time at Charlton on Saturday.

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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #13 on: Tue 21 Mar 2023 17:40 »
I think when the term was first employed it was referee's assistant but as everyone soon started transposing this to assistant referee the latter became adopted by usage.

As for Scott Oldham, I shall have the opportunity to see him for the first time at Charlton on Saturday.


I think (so could be wrong) that Assistant Referee has always been the correct "title".  When the job title changed from Linesman, some of our well paid (but no so well informed) commentators and pundits transposed the words and the term "Referee's Assistant" gained some currency.

I do believe that there is a significant difference in the respective meanings:

Assistant Referee / manager / prime minister / surgeon = a person who is junior to the main job holder, but one capable of stepping in if needed.

Referee's / manager's / prime minister's / surgeon's Assistant = a person in a support / administrative role who enable the main job holder to focus on the job in hand, but not capable of stepping in if needed.

The two people carrying flags are certainly Assistant Referees.
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Re: Scott Oldham - Sunderland v Luton
« Reply #14 on: Tue 21 Mar 2023 19:21 »
Except I wonder are they ? Now there is specialism for the roles of referee and AR I think a good case could be made for saying that the persons with the flags are not referees but following a different craft. If a referee goes down injured it isn't one of the ARs who steps into the role but the 4th Official. So, if anything they are Referee's Assistants but much better to be given their own style, title and dignity of Linos or Linespersons.
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