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I don't even know what happened there with Attwell, however Tierney and VAR was right with the intervention. So disorganised and all over the place on pitch.

Failed to have any control early on, ignoring lots of niggly fouls and allowing it to fester. By not taking control, and ignoring obvious yellow cards for Kane, Fernandez and Richarlison, this resulted in a flashpoint at the end of the half where he first showed a red card to Ziyech (probably correctly IMO) and then overturning it and booking him.

It's a perfect example of not dealing with early niggly fouls, especially with players who push the envelope like Romero.

Unfortunately it wasn’t difficult to see that this game was going to boil over, Attwell had plenty of opportunities to stamp his authority with early cards and tried to manage which has backfired massively.

Thiago Silva lucky to not be sent off for violent conduct early on. Clear yellow card missed for Richarlison for SPA. Kane with a naughty challenge on Kepa too.

Then the mess at the end of the half, which I think ultimately resulted in the correct decision but was a complete farce getting there. If Attwell believed it was a red card for Ziyech then I don’t believe VAR should have recommended a review (although I do believe yellow was correct).

Yes, I forgot about Silva. That was borderline red.

He's not had control from the get go.

Clattenburg all over again?

Quote from: Lionator27 on Sun 26 Feb 2023 14:24

Why on earth did he give the red before checking it?

VAR can't recommend a review until an actual on-pitch decision has been made.

Probably a limitation of VAR then. Although you could take the rugby route of “I think there’s been an act of violent conduct, I would like to check VAR to confirm this”.

Quote from: rustyref on Sun 26 Feb 2023 14:33

Quote from: Lionator27 on Sun 26 Feb 2023 14:24

Why on earth did he give the red before checking it?

VAR can't recommend a review until an actual on-pitch decision has been made.

Probably a limitation of VAR then. Although you could take the rugby route of “I think there’s been an act of violent conduct, I would like to check VAR to confirm this”.

They are bound by the protocol, which is completely difficult to rugby.  That's not to say the protocol won't change over the years, but at the minute VAR cannot do anything until the referee has actually made a decision.

Quote from: rustyref on Sun 26 Feb 2023 15:34

Quote from: Lionator27 on Sun 26 Feb 2023 14:56

Quote from: rustyref on Sun 26 Feb 2023 14:33

Quote from: Lionator27 on Sun 26 Feb 2023 14:24

Why on earth did he give the red before checking it?

VAR can't recommend a review until an actual on-pitch decision has been made.

Probably a limitation of VAR then. Although you could take the rugby route of “I think there’s been an act of violent conduct, I would like to check VAR to confirm this”.

They are bound by the protocol, which is completely difficult to rugby.  That's not to say the protocol won't change over the years, but at the minute VAR cannot do anything until the referee has actually made a decision.

It sounds like Attwell had seen royal get pushed, but wasn't sure of the culprit, so asked Tierney, who confirmed it was Ziyech, Attwell produced the red card, and then Tierney reviewed the decision, and called attwell over to the monitor. At least this was Kelly Cates explanation anyway.

Sounds a good explanation, i would guess Attwell said i am going to issue red for the punch/push into the face can you plse confirm the correct recipient of the card, when the red was issued var could then ask him to view hence he issued yellow instead.
However if Attwell had not seen the incident, var could check everything but only recommend a visit to the screen if in the opinion of the var a red card offence had taken place, thus ziyech would not have received yellow.