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nemesis

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I donít remember seeing a comment from Nemesis and Hendo when Mr Madley had a fine performance at Oxford in the semi finals and yet here they are today.

Haters gonna hate though arenít they Hendo and Nemesis...such a shame

That'd be because I didn't see that "fine" performance.

My hate generally centres on injustice. No shame in that.
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Hate?? Wow

The injustice of what? I have seen certain members have these views for a long time, I read the page for a long time before becoming a member and this always intrigued me.
Genuinely, was there an incident that Mr Madley did that would lead to your hatred?
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How many times do we see a penalty given for the goalkeeper missing the ball and punching the attacker in the head?

I canít remember any...

Certainly not in the way that this actually played out. Keeper was committed and it did not affect the header which the attacker got in.
It is an imposiibilty for a player to stop when he is in mid air as the keeper was.
I suppose that the next thing IFAB can bring in will be that a keeper is not allowed to punch a ball because it constitutes a danger to an opponent ----oh I forgot ------and it might hurt the ball.

It is interesting that the clamour for VAR comes about when it isn't there, however, the clamour to get rid of it is consistently mentioned when it is there!
Referee's decision used to be final!
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How many times do we see a penalty given for the goalkeeper missing the ball and punching the attacker in the head?

I canít remember any...

Certainly not in the way that this actually played out. Keeper was committed and it did not affect the header which the attacker got in.
It is an imposiibilty for a player to stop when he is in mid air as the keeper was.
I suppose that the next thing IFAB can bring in will be that a keeper is not allowed to punch a ball because it constitutes a danger to an opponent ----oh I forgot ------and it might hurt the ball.

It is interesting that the clamour for VAR comes about when it isn't there, however, the clamour to get rid of it is consistently mentioned when it is there!
Use VAR correctly and it's ok..............but they don't even follow their own 'rules'!
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Hate?? Wow

The injustice of what? I have seen certain members have these views for a long time, I read the page for a long time before becoming a member and this always intrigued me.
Genuinely, was there an incident that Mr Madley did that would lead to your hatred?

To play Devilís advocate here - youíre the one who brought the word ďhateĒ into this first.

Nemesis simply defending the slur on his character you threw his way.
« Last Edit: Tue 01 Jun 2021 17:33 by BAFRA #217 »
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I donít remember seeing a comment from Nemesis and Hendo when Mr Madley had a fine performance at Oxford in the semi finals and yet here they are today.

Haters gonna hate though arenít they Hendo and Nemesis...such a shame

That'd be because I didn't see that "fine" performance.

My hate generally centres on injustice. No shame in that.

My own negative view of Madley has been aired for a long time - a very overrated ref who was promoted to SG1 and FIFA for reasons I could never fathom. He then proceeded to get a spate of top games, in many of which he displayed a certain degree of arrogance in his attitude towards the player - ďI am the great Booby Madley and nobody messes with meĒ. (Yes I know others claim he is not at all like that but that is the impression he gave me and I know he gave others too).
He then had a season of very underwhelming performances, during which as we know he was suspended and then fired by the PGMOL. His crime, in case Hughes66 is not aware, was sending what he thought was a hilarious text to a friend about a disabled person - to me another show of arrogance on his part - which his shocked friend shared with Madleys employers who terminated his contract.
As someone who has worked extensively with disabled and special needs adults and children I have found them some of the loveliest and bravest people who bear their difficulties with great courage and dignity, which made my blood boil at Madleys attitude. To me that alone was unforgivable and should have been the end of his career.
But no; a spell in Norway trying to climb the ladder there while living with a new partner was followed by a return here for some reason, a contrite cap in hand approach to the FA and they amazingly took him back. One year on there is talk already of him being back to SG2 and SG1, which must rankle with those honest toilers in the lower divisions who give 109% each week hoping for the chance of a step up the ladder and yet this arrant individual walks back into the frame and gets immediate promotion.
I know many wonít agree with me but this will always be my attitude towards Madley.,
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I'll hold my hands up and say that I have often come onto this forum with my rose tinted glasses of seeing an incident and going on a rant because a referee annoys me so much. I accept I have done that in the past, and for that I apologise. I held back yesterday because I find it hard to accept how any referee, never mind one who was a FIFA official, could give a penalty like the one Bobby gave. It was an astonishing decision in my view. If he sees a push then he is in a very, very, very small minority. To make a decision in such a high profiled game of that magnitude he has to be 200% correct. Shocking in my view.
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Lots of opinions here and I start from the neutral position of not having seen the game or any of the incidents mentioned.  But some of the comments are literally staggering.

The implication that any decision Bobby did or didn't give 'decided promotion' is frankly ludicrous.  I'm a Northampton fan and our team in 2015 with Chris Wilder in charge absolutely wiped the floor with everyone in L2 (this is a once in a 70 year occurrence). When pressed by a journalist for a soundbite on a controversial refereeing decision he said 'Referees will make mistakes.  Some will go for you, some will go against you.  I set up my team to be good enough for neither of those things to matter'. One poster here has said Newport missed numerous chances - maybe that's the root cause of the result.  Get your own house in order first.

And one person said the referee needs to be '200% correct before giving a decision in a game like that'. I'm not even sure where to start with that.  I think you'll find it's the referee's job to give decisions, so if he waits until he's '200% correct' we'll have 90 minutes without him blowing his whistle.

It sounds like Bobby hasn't covered himself in glory and as the showpiece game of his season I would imagine no-one will be more disappointed in that than him.  But whatever the opposite saying is for 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' applies here.  His suitability to be an SG2 referee won't be judged on that one game and nor should it.  His performances over the season have made him number 1, unsurprising as you don't become a FIFA referee by accident.

A disappointing end to an outstanding season for him.
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I will agree with Hughesy66 that there wasn't a plethora of congratulatory posts about the Semi Final performance.

There seldom are when there is a performance of a level you would expect from a former SG1 and FIFA Official.

The performance in the final was, IMHO, well beneath the level required of a Referee aspiring to return even to SG2.

Maybe we had been spoiled by the Champions League performance?
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I've watched Mr Madley a couple of times this season via ifollow and I thought his self confidence at times moved into the realm of arrogance as mentioned by a previous poster...it did seem at times it was all about him and league 1 was a bit below him... A shame because when he just concentrated on the refereeing he was very good
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How many times do we see a penalty given for the goalkeeper missing the ball and punching the attacker in the head?

I canít remember any...

Certainly not in the way that this actually played out. Keeper was committed and it did not affect the header which the attacker got in.
It is an imposiibilty for a player to stop when he is in mid air as the keeper was.
But the same is true of a tackle which brings a player down rather than wins the ball because their opponent got there first.  If the tackler / puncher is committed and unable to withdraw when they are beaten to the ball by their opponent, they have been careless at best and possibly reckless.  Either way it is a foul.
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Iím sure if Madley had been that arrogant all season and acted like these leagues were below him then he wouldnít have been appointed to this game which I assume shows he finished as number 1.

I believe referees are marked by observers and clubs at this level so clearly the people who watched him week in week out over the last 9 months felt he was the best performing referee.

I also think itís unfair to criticise when a referee is felt to be under par but when they have an excellent game we have the attitude of we we expect that. If an excellent performance is expected of this referee every game then that doesnít quite fit the narrative on here that he isnít good enough for the next level?? You would expect excellence because the referee is in your opinion excellent generally to have gained that reputation...surely you canít say you expect him to be excellent and then say heís always rubbish in the same breath 😂

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Lots of opinions here and I start from the neutral position of not having seen the game or any of the incidents mentioned.  But some of the comments are literally staggering.

The implication that any decision Bobby did or didn't give 'decided promotion' is frankly ludicrous.  I'm a Northampton fan and our team in 2015 with Chris Wilder in charge absolutely wiped the floor with everyone in L2 (this is a once in a 70 year occurrence). When pressed by a journalist for a soundbite on a controversial refereeing decision he said 'Referees will make mistakes.  Some will go for you, some will go against you.  I set up my team to be good enough for neither of those things to matter'. One poster here has said Newport missed numerous chances - maybe that's the root cause of the result.  Get your own house in order first.

And one person said the referee needs to be '200% correct before giving a decision in a game like that'. I'm not even sure where to start with that.  I think you'll find it's the referee's job to give decisions, so if he waits until he's '200% correct' we'll have 90 minutes without him blowing his whistle.

It sounds like Bobby hasn't covered himself in glory and as the showpiece game of his season I would imagine no-one will be more disappointed in that than him.  But whatever the opposite saying is for 'one swallow doesn't make a summer' applies here.  His suitability to be an SG2 referee won't be judged on that one game and nor should it.  His performances over the season have made him number 1, unsurprising as you don't become a FIFA referee by accident.

A disappointing end to an outstanding season for him.

I would almost always disagree with a statement - whether it is made by a player, manager or fan - that a single decision cost their team the game, promotion or forced them to be relegated.  Over a season the best teams in a league end up at the top and the worst ones end up at the bottom.

But the play-offs (exciting that they can be) are a cup semi-final and final used to decide which of four sides should receive a final promotion place.  And a penalty decision in the second half of extra time of a tight final (no goals, few clear-cut chances) does come close to being a game decider.  And if that decision is incorrect it makes the argument that "the referee's decision cost us promotion" harder to refute.

The first-half penalty decision, however, does not justify the same argument.  The penalty kick might not have been converted.  Had Newport scored a very different (more open?) game would have ensued.

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I've watched Mr Madley a couple of times this season via ifollow and I thought his self confidence at times moved into the realm of arrogance as mentioned by a previous poster...it did seem at times it was all about him and league 1 was a bit below him... A shame because when he just concentrated on the refereeing he was very good

Yet in contrast, I saw him referee Rochdale twice in League 1 and once in the EFL Trophy and didn't see anything whatsoever of this perceived arrogance and the games being beneath him.

I did see him make some poor decisions that weren't befitting someone of his (previous) status and ability, but he seemed to have full respect of all the players and they of him.
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I've watched Mr Madley a couple of times this season via ifollow and I thought his self confidence at times moved into the realm of arrogance as mentioned by a previous poster...it did seem at times it was all about him and league 1 was a bit below him... A shame because when he just concentrated on the refereeing he was very good

Yet in contrast, I saw him referee Rochdale twice in League 1 and once in the EFL Trophy and didn't see anything whatsoever of this perceived arrogance and the games being beneath him.

I did see him make some poor decisions that weren't befitting someone of his (previous) status and ability, but he seemed to have full respect of all the players and they of him.
I too saw him referee in league one and thought him very good , in fact I felt his big positive was his attitude towards and relationship with the players , like I said earlier the performance in the final was below par and Iím sure he will be disappointed but letís not hang him out to dry as Iím certain he didnít do it on purpose.
My views are my own and not that of rate the ref .