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Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 12:51 »
Half time at the moment and I can’t say I have been impressed with Rob Jones so far , Correct to award Leeds a penalty , but to not allow the Burnley goal to stand or award them a penalty in the build up was poor the Leeds goalkeeper clearly clattered into Ben Mee im surprised VAR Michael Oliver didn’t intervene on that occasion

His foul detection has been inconsistent and seems to be weak as he is frequently surrounded by players and shows no authority hopefully he improves on the second half

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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #1 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 12:57 »
He was great on Tuesday in Brentford v Newcastle - but poor today.

I agree with the penalty decision, but other decisions have left me confused.  The decision to give a foul against Ben Mee in the build up for Barnes scoring is one of the poorest decisions I have seen all season.  I assume that as he blew before Barnes struck the ball, VAR cannot review it.  I feel like a lot of his decisions are going towards Leeds, there was one foul which led to a yellow card for Tarkowski, but a very similar foul in the other direction did not warrant any card.

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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #2 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 12:58 »
Half time at the moment and I can’t say I have been impressed with Rob Jones so far , Correct to award Leeds a penalty , but to not allow the Burnley goal to stand or award them a penalty in the build up was poor the Leeds goalkeeper clearly clattered into Ben Mee im surprised VAR Michael Oliver didn’t intervene on that occasion

His foul detection has been inconsistent and seems to be weak as he is frequently surrounded by players and shows no authority hopefully he improves on the second half

The problem with Michael Oliver not being able to intervene was that Jones blew his whistle before the ball hit the net. If he had held on for a couple of seconds then yes VAR probably would have overturned the on field decision.

A learning curve there for Jones perhaps, this is only his third or fourth game with VAR, so hopefully he learns from this and will improve that aspect.
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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #3 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 13:03 »
Even though he blew his whistle, surely VAR could have still conisdered whether the keeper fouled the player which he clearly did, he couldn;t as others have said changed the decision re the ball in the net.

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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #4 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 13:55 »
Not as much to do in the second half but he certainly looked more confident  AR Nick Greenhalgh can be delighted with his performance ( was this Greenhalgh’s first PL game?  )  Darren Cann was his usual exceptional self a couple of very tight offside calls but got them both bang on for me Cann is the one any AR could learn from I would rate Cann above Phil Sharp though close call but Cann just edges it

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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #5 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 14:08 »
Not as much to do in the second half but he certainly looked more confident  AR Nick Greenhalgh can be delighted with his performance ( was this Greenhalgh’s first PL game?  )  Darren Cann was his usual exceptional self a couple of very tight offside calls but got them both bang on for me Cann is the one any AR could learn from I would rate Cann above Phil Sharp though close call but Cann just edges it
This was Greenhalgh’s 3rd PL game. He did two games last season, Crystal Palace 0 v 2 Southampton in January and Man City 5 V 0 Norwich which was the last game of the season.

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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #6 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 14:49 »
Poor decisions throughout the game. How the VAR doesn’t award a penalty on Mee is beyond a joke. Not sure what Pope has to do with the penalty either. He can’t chop his leg off after making very good contact on the ball. Jones’ performance was woeful and maybe an example of an Attwell promotion.
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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #7 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 15:15 »
I would venture to suggest that nobody will be more aware of and disappointed by this afternoon than Rob
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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #8 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 16:03 »
One poor match doesn't make for a poor referee and neither does one good match make for a good referee. Jones has yet to establish himself at this level and there will be plenty of ups and downs along the way.

Coming up through Leagues 1 and 2 and then the Championship, I thought Jones was one of the best recent crop of referees with huge potential. I hope it may be fully realised.
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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #9 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 16:07 »
One poor match doesn't make for a poor referee and neither does one good match make for a good referee. Jones has yet to establish himself at this level and there will be plenty of ups and downs along the way.

Coming up through Leagues 1 and 2 and then the Championship, I thought Jones was one of the best recent crop of referees with huge potential. I hope it may be fully realised.

Yes I agree , I like Jones as a referee and this will be one of the learning curves as he builds up his PL career

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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #10 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 16:11 »
I am very aware they all beat themselves up over wrong decisions but Jones performance today was not just a Key Match Incident or whatever they are called now, it was a bad day for him and demonstrated perhaps why he hasn't had too many games yet. That doesn't mean I think he is a poor referee or that he won't progress in the future but neither team had any confidence, which as we know means every small decision then becomes contested, and in a rare moment feel sympathy for Dyche as I do think the referee did through errors impact the result perhaps more than the players.

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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #11 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 16:15 »
Poor decisions throughout the game. How the VAR doesn’t award a penalty on Mee is beyond a joke. Not sure what Pope has to do with the penalty either. He can’t chop his leg off after making very good contact on the ball. Jones’ performance was woeful and maybe an example of an Attwell promotion.

The disallowed goal was obviously wrong, but the biggest error was blowing so quickly as had he delayed VAR would have sorted it out.  I actually wonder VAR could have bailed him out anyway for by suggesting he went to have a look at a possible foul on Mee by the keeper.

Other than that though I can't think of a lot wrong, certainly wasn't anywhere close to "woeful" as you suggest.
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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #12 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 16:25 »
I echo Whistleblower and rustyref's sentiments.

While I understand VAR cannot award the goal as Jones has blown his whistle am I correct in thinking they could have recommended an OFR for a penalty had they felt the challenge by the goalkeeper was a clear and obvious foul? I think it is a foul and a penalty kick but I've no idea if it meets the ambiguous standards of clear and obvious in the PL.

Jones had a poor performance in my opinion. Better in the second half but overall it struck me that he was trying to manage the game with skills he doe not yet posses if that makes sense. For me starting off in the PL one can forgive very safe refereeing i.e. yellow is yellow, don't try and be too clever in ignoring small fouls etc etc. My impression was that Jones was trying to be a little more sophisticated in his management of the game and as a result his performance appeared inconsistent and his acceptance from the players was very low at times.

For me this is the most difficult element for a referee when moving up a level - judging the level of intervention needed. Even within each level this will of course vary game to game but I think the challenge is pronounced when moving up the ladder a step. Jones no doubt has honed his management skills in the Championship and while this will serve him well he will need time to fine tune this abilities to the frequency of the premier league if you will. I think this was game 5 for him in the top flight, it did not go well (while being nothing like a disaster), this is of little importance once Jones can learn and improve.

Nobody will remember game 5 if you make it to game 500 so lets focus on the future of a very promising referee rather than looking to condemn him to failure so early.
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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #13 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 16:31 »
I wonder if Sean Dyche will go down the Nuno trail and insist that Jones does not referee Burnley again?
At least Sean had something to gripe about today because it did affect the result, unlike Wolves the other night.
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Re: Rob Jones Leeds vs Burnley
« Reply #14 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 16:36 »
I am very aware they all beat themselves up over wrong decisions but Jones performance today was not just a Key Match Incident or whatever they are called now, it was a bad day for him and demonstrated perhaps why he hasn't had too many games yet. That doesn't mean I think he is a poor referee or that he won't progress in the future but neither team had any confidence, which as we know means every small decision then becomes contested, and in a rare moment feel sympathy for Dyche as I do think the referee did through errors impact the result perhaps more than the players.


This is a difficult one for the appointing powers and one in which I don't always think they achieve a good balance. You can only gain experience at a new and higher level by refereeing matches at that level with all the pluses and minuses of performance that will entail. My own view on promotions, in most walks of life, is that you can only get better through experience and you can't be "cotton-woolled" too much. Of course start of on lower profile matches but some of them can be darn tricky and with multiple cameras covering every match now, there ain't no hiding place any more.
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