RateTheRef

Quote from: nemesis on Tue 19 Mar 2024 09:35

Quote from: rustyref on Fri 23 Feb 2024 22:05

Quote from: Marvin Grapevine on Fri 23 Feb 2024 21:50

I get that Webb explained it, and it might be the correct decision by the book. However, I do believe that situations like that should see the offside take precedence. It just doesn’t seem right or logical.

Referees can't determine decisions on what they feel is right or logical though, they have to apply the laws, and there is zero way the laws supported this being offside.

Every time you make such a statement I feel the need to mention the 6 second Law for goalkeeper possession which on occasions can be stretched pretty much indefinitely without sanction.

I get that, but penalising longer than 6 seconds would need a global initiative to force all referees to enforce it.  And that may well happen if the 8 second trials planned for next season are successful.  The thinking seems to be that referees would be required to count down the final 5 seconds by showing and lowering a finger at a time, so it would mean that it has to be enforced.  Time will tell.

But that is very different to penalising someone for offside when there is no possible way, no matter how you interpret the current offsides laws, that they committed an offside offence.

"Time will tell" - I see what you did there!!

The "six second" rule is almost universally ignored because the sanction (an attacking indirect free-kick very close to the goal) is an absolute nightmare to correctly arrange, manage and execute.  Most referees just don't want the hassle to turn a deaf ear (if you see what I mean).

The proposed sanction for the "eight second rule" will at least remove the chaos; but I do fear that the time between the goal-keeper taking control of the ball and the referee starting the "visual" five-second countdown will quickly stretch beyond three seconds.

At the risk of repeating a cliche .... time will tell!

Harrington seemed a bit all over the place on the West Ham V Villa review. As a referee, I think you'd want clear and succinct communication from the VAR. I don't think Gillett got that at all, although he did communicate well himself. I'm not sure why the VAR team were concerned about checking the APP once the on-field review had been started. They'd taken 5 minutes just to get to that stage - let Gillett judge the handball and then go from there!

Do we get the full conversations between referee and VAR? There didn't seem to be much interaction between Oliver and Attwell in the Liverpool V Man City game.

Dale Johnson has tweeted that the PL Panel voted 3-2 that Oliver was correct not to give a penalty in Liverpool V Man City match and it was a 4-1 vote that VAR was correct not to intervene. Panel did all think Havertz should have been sent off for second yellow card in Arsenal V Brentford for simulation, but not one for VAR. And they also voted 5-0 that there should have been a red card for Brighton V Nottingham Forest - I was disappointed this clip wasn't included tonight seeing as even Dermot Gallagher agreed it should have been a red card and officials had got it wrong.

Once again thought Gillett handled himself very well, reinforcing my high personal opinion of his ability as a ref.

Please correct me if wrong, but it seems like the VAR/AVAR are refereeing the Villa v Spurs match for Chris Kavanagh and instructing him what to do?

Quote from: takethejag on Wed 20 Mar 2024 09:10

Once again thought Gillett handled himself very well, reinforcing my high personal opinion of his ability as a ref.

Please correct me if wrong, but it seems like the VAR/AVAR are refereeing the Villa v Spurs match for Chris Kavanagh and instructing him what to do?

Wasn't it other members of the on-field team who were assisting Kavanagh with the red card decision? Not 100% sure on that though.

Yes, I thought Darren Bond (4th official) was very clear & direct on that. I think the VAR/AVAR missed Kavanagh physically showing the red card in real-time, so they were trying to understand if he had prior to them confirming the on-field decision and going "check complete".

Tony Harrington doesn’t cover himself in glory.

He misses the fact that it wasn’t Soucek that scored and if it wasn’t for Jarred Gillett saying let me come and have a look it have been missed.

He is also overthinking himself in the handball review as he goes from saying it’s not deliberate to but his arm is out. Getting the AVAR to have another think. Mixed messages

I got the sense Gillett was getting a tad frustrated with the delay and fannying around by Harrington and Greenhalgh.

He was quite direct when he told them that he will look at it and make his own mind up at the screen.

Strong on the field, VAR weak.