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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #120 on: Fri 17 Jun 2022 18:47 »
Atkinson and Marriner both had PL games in their 2nd seasons on the list.

Did Attwell too? That’s a quiz question poser!

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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #121 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 15:03 »
James Bell and Bobby Madley promoted to SG2. Just announced on PGMOL Twitter

Congratulations to both of them.
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #122 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 15:14 »
✅ PGMOL is delighted to confirm the promotions of James Bell and Bobby Madley to Select Group 2 for the 2022/23 season!

ℹ️ Following their promotions, James and Bobby will primarily take charge of matches in the Sky Bet Championship.


https://twitter.com/FA_PGMOL/status/1538884438515392512?cxt=HHwWgICxwcrPm9sqAAAA
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #123 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 15:41 »
I had a feeling all along that Madley would get back in somehow.
Call me old fashioned but I am disappointed that he has been promoted after his previous misdemeanours and turning his back on English football Togo to Norway. To me it gives out a negative message to all those decent refs who toil hard season by season, being respectful towards their employers and grateful for the position they are in but who get regularly overlooked. The cynic in me also notes that Clattenburg was suspended for a time, came back and the rest is history; even Coote was suspended for a time for reasons which were never made clear and look where he is now. Maybe being something of a rebel is the way to ultimately get on.
I realise all this doesn’t address whether Madley is good enough or not.I have always made it clear that, to me, he is a very overrated and (personal comment edited out! )referee who has been lucky - and even luckier now - to get where he has. That opinion still holds.
Congrats by the way to James Bell about whom I know very little. Sorry for Ben Toner, who I rate very highly, and others such as Backhouse and Borrett who must have been close .
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #124 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 16:08 »
Speak as you find is my way. I have seen both Bell and Madley live once each this season. Bell put in an understated extremely efficient performance. Madley was the opposite of understated making himself the centre of attention at every opportunity in a somewhat overbearing way. The accuracy of his decision making I would describe as average. Toner I have not seen but heard excellent reports about him from  'them that knows' as also have I about Barrott and Edwards.

Riley and now Moss and Atkinson are Yorkshire people. I would expect to see Yorkshire referees continue to thrive in the promotion stakes.
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #125 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 16:34 »
I had a feeling all along that Madley would get back in somehow.
Call me old fashioned but I am disappointed that he has been promoted after his previous misdemeanours and turning his back on English football Togo to Norway. To me it gives out a negative message to all those decent refs who toil hard season by season, being respectful towards their employers and grateful for the position they are in but who get regularly overlooked. The cynic in me also notes that Clattenburg was suspended for a time, came back and the rest is history; even Coote was suspended for a time for reasons which were never made clear and look where he is now. Maybe being something of a rebel is the way to ultimately get on.
I realise all this doesn’t address whether Madley is good enough or not.I have always made it clear that, to me, he is a very overrated referee who has been lucky - and even luckier now - to get where he has. That opinion still holds.
Congrats by the way to James Bell about whom I know very little. Sorry for Ben Toner, who I rate very highly, and others such as Backhouse and Borrett who must have been close.

I think the matter of Madley’s suspension has been debated an awful lot on here and we all have an opinion. What I don’t understand is how he turned his back on English football and went to Norway and why doing that would be wrong in any case? Didn’t he have personal circumstances that meant moving to Norway made sense and whatever we may think of his sacking surely we can all understand how after such a high profile incident one might want to spend some time away to rebuild. I can’t for the life of me see what is wrong with that? I ask the question genuinely because maybe there is a detail I have missed.
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #126 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 16:52 »
I had a feeling all along that Madley would get back in somehow.
Call me old fashioned but I am disappointed that he has been promoted after his previous misdemeanours and turning his back on English football Togo to Norway. To me it gives out a negative message to all those decent refs who toil hard season by season, being respectful towards their employers and grateful for the position they are in but who get regularly overlooked. The cynic in me also notes that Clattenburg was suspended for a time, came back and the rest is history; even Coote was suspended for a time for reasons which were never made clear and look where he is now. Maybe being something of a rebel is the way to ultimately get on.
I realise all this doesn’t address whether Madley is good enough or not.I have always made it clear that, to me, he is a very overrated referee who has been lucky - and even luckier now - to get where he has. That opinion still holds.
Congrats by the way to James Bell about whom I know very little. Sorry for Ben Toner, who I rate very highly, and others such as Backhouse and Borrett who must have been close.

I dont rate Madley as a referee either, But I wouldn't go as far as to call him arrogant, that reads a little too personal to me, Madley was sacked for saying something that was taken out of context, I think he has served his punishment, and I really don't like this trend of forever cancelling someone over every minor misdemeanour, If he did something quite serious I would be more inclined to agree.
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #127 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 16:59 »
Yes, and I don't think there's been any indication that Madley was offered any possibility of continuing even at L1/L2 level in England until start of 2020. What was he expected to do in the mean time?

I was certainly not always fully convinced by Madley as a PL referee, although I thought he refereed well in the 2016/17 season in particular. But he has clearly suffered some significant setbacks from the mistake he made in 2018. Quite a lot of people seem to think the punishment at the time was excessive and the argument he has been shown any favouritism in relation to that doesn't seem especially well founded.

When he returned to the National List I don't think he should have been treated any differently to any other referee on the list - he should not have been fast-tracked simply because he was a PL referee previously but equally he should not have been held back due to what happened before.

It's a shame Ben Toner hasn't been promoted this time.
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #128 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 17:09 »
I had a feeling all along that Madley would get back in somehow.
Call me old fashioned but I am disappointed that he has been promoted after his previous misdemeanours and turning his back on English football Togo to Norway. To me it gives out a negative message to all those decent refs who toil hard season by season, being respectful towards their employers and grateful for the position they are in but who get regularly overlooked. The cynic in me also notes that Clattenburg was suspended for a time, came back and the rest is history; even Coote was suspended for a time for reasons which were never made clear and look where he is now. Maybe being something of a rebel is the way to ultimately get on.
I realise all this doesn’t address whether Madley is good enough or not.I have always made it clear that, to me, he is a very overrated  referee who has been lucky - and even luckier now - to get where he has. That opinion still holds.
Congrats by the way to James Bell about whom I know very little. Sorry for Ben Toner, who I rate very highly, and others such as Backhouse and Borrett who must have been close.

Didn’t he have personal circumstances that meant moving to Norway made sense and whatever we may think of his sacking surely we can all understand how after such a high profile incident one might want to spend some time away to rebuild. I can’t for the life of me see what is wrong with that? I ask the question genuinely because maybe there is a detail I have missed.

His wife is Norwegian, so yes very much so.
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #129 on: Mon 20 Jun 2022 23:15 »
I'm really happy for Bobby.
Hajrá Lilák. Csak a Kispest. Hajrá Magyarok! Hajrá játékvezetői csapat! Soha ne add fel. Nincs sárga kérem!!! No Chris Kavanagh doesn't live in Ashton or even in the Greater Manchester area!!
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #130 on: Tue 21 Jun 2022 07:20 »
Congratulations to both James and Bobby. I am surprised Ben Toner missed out but I suppose we will never know what happened in the interview process for how these decisions were made. I very much look forward to seeing James Bell referee next season. Not sure how old he is but perhaps one for the future?

I have to say though some of the above comments are terrible. I find the comments of Hendo particularly poor form. Either congratulate the pair or say nothing, that’s my opinion.
I too have never detected arrogance from Madley and whilst I haven’t met him personally I have only ever heard positive things about how decent a person he is off the field. I believe BMB said she has met him several times and has said exactly this.
Clearly he made a mistake a few years ago but does one mistake make a bad person? To suggest that as a result of this mistake he shouldn’t have the opportunity to return to the upper echelons of refereeing is frankly laughable.
To then suggest that he is somehow the chosen one is equally laughable. This ‘chosen one’ was sacked from his job and had to move abroad to continue his life. I remember watching the Football Focus piece he did which very much explained that. Clearly someone on here has an axe to grind with Madley. Have you actually met him in person Hendo?

Anyway, congratulations to them both. Bell will look to prove himself next season and good luck to him, Madley will be an excellent addition to the Championship group and having officiated at the top of the game for a number of years I would expect there could be a return to that level in the near future. Maybe Hendo simply doesn’t like the fact that it appears the cream does rise to the top as it seems to have done with Madley this time. One assumes he finished in the top three this season to be considered for promotion and having refereed the Play Off Final last season one assumes he was probably top then as well. He can’t be as bad as some of here make out can he if that’s the case.

Well done James and Bobby and very best wishes
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #131 on: Tue 21 Jun 2022 08:44 »
Thank you Hughesy66, I like your post. Congrats to Bobby and James. I had little doubt that Bobby would head back upwards ere long. I've not seen James, but he has clearly done well for himself given his lack of experience at the upper levels. I too am sorry for Ben Toner and wonder whether there is something beneath the surface which may hinder his progress to SG status. He is a teacher, is he not? Shades of James Linington becoming SG1? Of the others mentioned, I saw Anthony Backhouse in his first season on the list and thought he was very good. However, he has had a tendency to 'shoot himself in the foot' with a few absurd decisions (shades of Turpin) and maybe his time has not yet come. I am sure that within a season or two, the name Bobby Madden will come up in the promotion stakes.     
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« Reply #132 on: Tue 21 Jun 2022 08:49 »
I have never met Bobby Madley but he has often taken his time out to assist other young referees, particularly at a few tournaments abroad. Those that have engaged with him have nothing but praise for him.

Regards his suspension, speaking as someone who is disabled, I think the punishment was far more than required and not proportionate. That said, he has served his punishment and I think his promotion can only help SG2 as a group.

His move to Norway was indeed personal and he was not employed by the PGMOL at the time so I think it is irrelevant to his promotion.

I wish both him and James Bell every success moving on.
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Re: Promotions 2022
« Reply #133 on: Tue 21 Jun 2022 09:47 »
Bobby Madden has moved from Scotland and will officiate in League 1 and 2

That guy was close to being a UEFA elite only a year or two ago and was one of the most trusted 1st group officials. While I understand the EPL isn’t the same as the SPFL I think he certainly should be fast tracked to the top ASAP, top class referee IMHO, big loss for Scotland and huge gain for England.

Agree- totally wasted in Leagues 1 & 2!

He may be capable of better, but it is extremely disrespectful to the League One and Two clubs to say he'd be wasted. 25,000 plus supporters at Ipswich deserve far better than some of the officials endured last season.
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« Reply #134 on: Tue 21 Jun 2022 11:29 »
Bobby Madden has moved from Scotland and will officiate in League 1 and 2

That guy was close to being a UEFA elite only a year or two ago and was one of the most trusted 1st group officials. While I understand the EPL isn’t the same as the SPFL I think he certainly should be fast tracked to the top ASAP, top class referee IMHO, big loss for Scotland and huge gain for England.

Agree- totally wasted in Leagues 1 & 2!

He may be capable of better, but it is extremely disrespectful to the League One and Two clubs to say he'd be wasted. 25,000 plus supporters at Ipswich deserve far better than some of the officials endured last season.

Unfortunately, being disrespectful to Leagues 1 & 2 is par for the course on occasion.
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