Author Topic: Promotions 2022 (Read 20284 times)

bmb · « **Reply #135 on:** Tue 21 Jun 2022 14:36 »

Quote from: Hughesy66 on Tue 21 Jun 2022 07:20

I believe BMB said she has met him several times and has said exactly this.

I have indeed. We're not best mates or anything, mere acquaintances really but he would always seek bmb jr out at AFCB and talk refereeing with him. They would email each other as well occasionally & he showed him nothing but support and encouragement. When he had a twitter account he was always helping, supporting and encouraging other referees. Always giving his time and not a shred of arrogance.

Quote from: RefObserver on Tue 21 Jun 2022 08:49

Regards his suspension, speaking as someone who is disabled, I think the punishment was far more than required and not proportionate. That said, he has served his punishment and I think his promotion can only help SG2 as a group.

Completely agree. As someone who is now a wheelchair user I personally was not offended by what he said. When I was still shuffling along with my rolator I often made comments such as I came in 3rd behind a snail and a slug because I was so slow when shuffling along. IMO he made a self depreciating joke that was blown way out of proportion, the context completely lost in the uproar but appreciate that others saw it very differently. He's quietly worked hard to get himself and his career back on track and I don't think he should be judged on one comment especially when as a whole he comes across as a decent, caring guy.

charlieboy · « **Reply #136 on:** Tue 21 Jun 2022 14:41 »

Quote from: RefObserver on Tue 21 Jun 2022 08:49

I have never met Bobby Madley but he has often taken his time out to assist other young referees, particularly at a few tournaments abroad. Those that have engaged with him have nothing but praise for him.

Ah but judging someone without having ever met them obviously puts you in a far better position to comment on their personality, please be more careful when writing your balanced posts

Acme Thunderer · « **Reply #137 on:** Tue 21 Jun 2022 15:57 »

Quote from: Hendo on Mon 20 Jun 2022 15:41

I had a feeling all along that Madley would get back in somehow.
Call me old fashioned but I am disappointed that he has been promoted after his previous misdemeanours and turning his back on English football Togo to Norway. To me it gives out a negative message to all those decent refs who toil hard season by season, being respectful towards their employers and grateful for the position they are in but who get regularly overlooked. The cynic in me also notes that Clattenburg was suspended for a time, came back and the rest is history; even Coote was suspended for a time for reasons which were never made clear and look where he is now. Maybe being something of a rebel is the way to ultimately get on.
I realise all this doesn’t address whether Madley is good enough or not.I have always made it clear that, to me, he is a very overrated and (personal comment edited out! )referee who has been lucky - and even luckier now - to get where he has. That opinion still holds.
Congrats by the way to James Bell about whom I know very little. Sorry for Ben Toner, who I rate very highly, and others such as Backhouse and Borrett who must have been close .

I think it ought to be put on record that David Coote very quickly made his way back to full time refereeing, suggesting that, unlike Darryl Deadman, who was suspended at the same time and left the list, Coote did nothing wrong. Love them or loathe them, a person is innocent until proved otherwise.

JCFC · « **Reply #138 on:** Tue 21 Jun 2022 21:28 »

Though I recall that he did once nod a greeting in passing, I have never met Mr Madley, nor, indeed, have I seen him referee, so have no axe to grind. I was puzzled, however, by Hendo's reference to the Prodigal Son, which seemed to run counter to the tenor of his post. Despite the understandable reservations of his elder brother (and of the fatted calf, with greater justification) the father welcomed his son's return with open arms - a response viewed favourably in the parable, as an illustration on a human level of the depth of Divine love and forgiveness.

It is pleasing, therefore, to read the two recent posts from bmb, who once had occasion to complain about Mr Madley's use of an inappropriate term, in which she expresses her pleasure at his promotion. This strikes me as how things should be.

JCFC · « **Reply #139 on:** Tue 21 Jun 2022 21:32 »

I did have the pleasure of a brief chat with the highly personable Mr Bell earlier in the season, and have seen him referee - albeit in his days as a Level 3. Despite the case of the missing handkerchief, he created a very favourable impression and it was no surprise when he moved rapidly upwards. I fully expect him to continue to do well - but then, as he himself pointed out, I am bonkers!

rustyref · « **Reply #140 on:** Tue 21 Jun 2022 23:02 »

Quote from: JCFC on Tue 21 Jun 2022 21:28

Though I recall that he did once nod a greeting in passing, I have never met Mr Madley, nor, indeed, have I seen him referee, so have no axe to grind. I was puzzled, however, by Hendo's reference to the Prodigal Son, which seemed to run counter to the tenor of his post. Despite the understandable reservations of his elder brother (and of the fatted calf, with greater justification) the father welcomed his son's return with open arms - a response viewed favourably in the parable, as an illustration on a human level of the depth of Divine love and forgiveness.

It is pleasing, therefore, to read the two recent posts from bmb, who once had occasion to complain about Mr Madley's use of an inappropriate term, in which she expresses her pleasure at his promotion. This strikes me as how things should be.

I've met Bobby a few times, he is very friendly and open. He gives up his time to coach and mentor younger referees, and at overseas tournaments spends time chatting with the British referees that have travelled over, even though they are all must lower level than him.

Hardly the actions of someone that is "arrogant".

JCFC · « **Reply #141 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 05:34 »

Quote from: rustyref on Tue 21 Jun 2022 23:02

Quote from: JCFC on Tue 21 Jun 2022 21:28
Though I recall that he did once nod a greeting in passing, I have never met Mr Madley, nor, indeed, have I seen him referee, so have no axe to grind. I was puzzled, however, by Hendo's reference to the Prodigal Son, which seemed to run counter to the tenor of his post. Despite the understandable reservations of his elder brother (and of the fatted calf, with greater justification) the father welcomed his son's return with open arms - a response viewed favourably in the parable, as an illustration on a human level of the depth of Divine love and forgiveness.

It is pleasing, therefore, to read the two recent posts from bmb, who once had occasion to complain about Mr Madley's use of an inappropriate term, in which she expresses her pleasure at his promotion. This strikes me as how things should be.

I've met Bobby a few times, he is very friendly and open. He gives up his time to coach and mentor younger referees, and at overseas tournaments spends time chatting with the British referees that have travelled over, even though they are all must lower level than him.

Hardly the actions of someone that is "arrogant".

Just to clarify, since my post was quoted, I did not make any suggestion of arrogance.

Whistleblower · « **Reply #142 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 08:09 »

Unless one has met and conversed with a referee I think it is fraught with misunderstanding to attempt to deduce personality traits from officiating performances. Perhaps in rare cases it is clear, the very jovial and ebullient John Kirkby being someone who very much took his personality onto the pitch with him but that is quite rare I think.

I have never met Bobby Madley but I read carefully his account of his earlier troubles leading to suspension and from that very personal testimony, he came across as a person with a considerable degree of self awareness who was very ready to learn from his unfortunate experience. His words made a very positive impression on me.

What is proper though is to comment on styles of refereeing. I don't care for Madley's style at all but then I prefer the understated approach ( a great Joe Worrall fan is always going to go for understated ! ). If those who employ their professional judgement believe Madley is worthy of promotion then he should receive it. His previous travails should be irrelevant.

TVOS · « **Reply #143 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 11:21 »

When Bobby was in his exile in Norway, he was quite active on Twitter. I had a few jovial exchanges with him, which led to us swapping a small number of DMs.

We both know a SG2 assistant, which helped, but at no time were his dealings with me arrogant or dismissive. He was very open to discussions and had a sound recall of some games I mentioned to him.

I've seen him referee four games since he returned, albeit three of him via iFollow during the behind closed door seasons. While he wasn't faultless and made some poor decisions, it was clear his presence afforded him a greater deal of respect from the players, which certainly helped the games.

Of course, others have different views, but there are some incredibly harsh, personal comments on this thread which may have been deleted or edited on a different day.

I wish him well and am only sorry I'm unlikely to see him more often in future.

nemesis · « **Reply #144 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 15:28 »

Quote from: TVOS on Wed 22 Jun 2022 11:21

When Bobby was in his exile in Norway, he was quite active on Twitter. I had a few jovial exchanges with him, which led to us swapping a small number of DMs.

We both know a SG2 assistant, which helped, but at no time were his dealings with me arrogant or dismissive. He was very open to discussions and had a sound recall of some games I mentioned to him.

I've seen him referee four games since he returned, albeit three of him via iFollow during the behind closed door seasons. While he wasn't faultless and made some poor decisions, it was clear his presence afforded him a greater deal of respect from the players, which certainly helped the games.

Of course, others have different views, but there are some incredibly harsh, personal comments on this thread which may have been deleted or edited on a different day.

I wish him well and am only sorry I'm unlikely to see him more often in future.

Agree completely. I thought he was the best referee to officiate at Portman Road last season by the proverbial country mile.

nemesis · « **Reply #145 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 15:31 »

Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Tue 21 Jun 2022 15:57

Quote from: Hendo on Mon 20 Jun 2022 15:41
I had a feeling all along that Madley would get back in somehow.
Call me old fashioned but I am disappointed that he has been promoted after his previous misdemeanours and turning his back on English football Togo to Norway. To me it gives out a negative message to all those decent refs who toil hard season by season, being respectful towards their employers and grateful for the position they are in but who get regularly overlooked. The cynic in me also notes that Clattenburg was suspended for a time, came back and the rest is history; even Coote was suspended for a time for reasons which were never made clear and look where he is now. Maybe being something of a rebel is the way to ultimately get on.
I realise all this doesn’t address whether Madley is good enough or not.I have always made it clear that, to me, he is a very overrated and (personal comment edited out! )referee who has been lucky - and even luckier now - to get where he has. That opinion still holds.
Congrats by the way to James Bell about whom I know very little. Sorry for Ben Toner, who I rate very highly, and others such as Backhouse and Borrett who must have been close .

I think it ought to be put on record that David Coote very quickly made his way back to full time refereeing, suggesting that, unlike Darren Deadman, who was suspended at the same time and left the list, Coote did nothing wrong. Love them or loathe them, a person is innocent until proved otherwise.

Conjecture. He might have just had the right people backing him.

rustyref · « **Reply #146 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 17:47 »

Quote from: JCFC on Wed 22 Jun 2022 05:34

Quote from: rustyref on Tue 21 Jun 2022 23:02
Quote from: JCFC on Tue 21 Jun 2022 21:28
Though I recall that he did once nod a greeting in passing, I have never met Mr Madley, nor, indeed, have I seen him referee, so have no axe to grind. I was puzzled, however, by Hendo's reference to the Prodigal Son, which seemed to run counter to the tenor of his post. Despite the understandable reservations of his elder brother (and of the fatted calf, with greater justification) the father welcomed his son's return with open arms - a response viewed favourably in the parable, as an illustration on a human level of the depth of Divine love and forgiveness.

It is pleasing, therefore, to read the two recent posts from bmb, who once had occasion to complain about Mr Madley's use of an inappropriate term, in which she expresses her pleasure at his promotion. This strikes me as how things should be.

I've met Bobby a few times, he is very friendly and open. He gives up his time to coach and mentor younger referees, and at overseas tournaments spends time chatting with the British referees that have travelled over, even though they are all must lower level than him.

Hardly the actions of someone that is "arrogant".

Just to clarify, since my post was quoted, I did not make any suggestion of arrogance.

Sorry, my mistake, I just replied to the latest response, I certainly wasn't suggesting that you had said he was arrogant.

JCFC · « **Reply #147 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 19:00 »

No problem!

TheThingFromLewes · « **Reply #148 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 20:07 »

SG2 is stronger with Madley in there…. However the dross that is in there persistently outweigh the best officials.

charlieboy · « **Reply #149 on:** Wed 22 Jun 2022 22:50 »

Quote from: nemesis on Wed 22 Jun 2022 15:31

Quote from: Acme Thunderer on Tue 21 Jun 2022 15:57
Quote from: Hendo on Mon 20 Jun 2022 15:41
I had a feeling all along that Madley would get back in somehow.
Call me old fashioned but I am disappointed that he has been promoted after his previous misdemeanours and turning his back on English football Togo to Norway. To me it gives out a negative message to all those decent refs who toil hard season by season, being respectful towards their employers and grateful for the position they are in but who get regularly overlooked. The cynic in me also notes that Clattenburg was suspended for a time, came back and the rest is history; even Coote was suspended for a time for reasons which were never made clear and look where he is now. Maybe being something of a rebel is the way to ultimately get on.
I realise all this doesn’t address whether Madley is good enough or not.I have always made it clear that, to me, he is a very overrated and (personal comment edited out! )referee who has been lucky - and even luckier now - to get where he has. That opinion still holds.
Congrats by the way to James Bell about whom I know very little. Sorry for Ben Toner, who I rate very highly, and others such as Backhouse and Borrett who must have been close .

I think it ought to be put on record that David Coote very quickly made his way back to full time refereeing, suggesting that, unlike Darren Deadman, who was suspended at the same time and left the list, Coote did nothing wrong. Love them or loathe them, a person is innocent until proved otherwise.

Conjecture. He might have just had the right people backing him.

Which is equally just conjecture.

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