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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #30 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 16:48 »
Am really pleased to see Darren drysdale given an interview after his troubles earlier in the season.

Really?  It all seems rather perverse. All those seasons of, for me, steady, safe performances and then he goes of the rails, gets suspended and subsequently gets shortlisted for promotion. Simply unfathomable, I'm afraid.

Agree. I've seen an awful lot of him and his performances are usually in the 'average' category.

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« Reply #31 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 17:00 »
Fortunes rise and fortunes fall.  It wasn't that long ago that Joyce and Backhouse looked set fair for promotion to SG2. Now, if this list is to be believed, they don't even get an interview for it.

The powers that be clearly want Bobby Madley back at the top of English refereeing so I have little doubt he will progress and no doubt up to SG1 at the end of this next season. Whether he should or not is another matter but once the decision has been made to rehabilitate offenders then promotion should be decided on ability alone. No doubt the fans of Newport would have a view ! I suspect Hicks will join him and then it depends on how many places there are to fill.

Gillett and Harrington seem to be regarded as the best of the current crop of SG2 so may well make a move up. However, I believe the powers that be clearly see a glittering future for Brooks and Salisbury and so they cannot be discounted.

I guess position on the Merit Table determines whether one is called for interview. Or it jolly well should be. Then of course the process becomes far more subjective. It is not unknown, in many professions, if a marking grid is employed by an interview panel,  that whom they want to promote come out of the interview process with the best marks. Whatever systems are put in place it is nigh impossible to discount the power of patronage.

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« Reply #32 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 17:06 »
I find it strange that people are saying that the likes of Stroud and Drysdale shouldn't be considered for promotion due to their age or a minor disciplinary issue - if they have been two of the best performing referees this season then they deserve to be considered. I'm sure some would be quick to point the finger at the PGMOL if there were considering 'lesser' performing referees instead.

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« Reply #33 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 17:52 »
I find it strange that people are saying that the likes of Stroud and Drysdale shouldn't be considered for promotion due to their age or a minor disciplinary issue - if they have been two of the best performing referees this season then they deserve to be considered. I'm sure some would be quick to point the finger at the PGMOL if there were considering 'lesser' performing referees instead.

I think the point is it doesn't really help the succession planning.
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« Reply #34 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 18:11 »
Is it only me or does someone else detect a bit of a pattern?
Clattenberg suspended for a few months - comes back, and the rest is history (even ignoring the Ed Sheehan fiasco)
Coote suspended for reasons which never became fully clear - returns to SG2, gets promoted to SG1 and FIFA
Stroud - demoted after 2 years in SG1 - now at 51 being offered a chance to return (age alone makes this staggering)
Madley for the reasons well documented is sacked - returns and looks likely he is now the prodigal son
Drysdale suspended earlier in season - now being interviewed for promotion (at 50 too!)

Maybe a hint to all aspiring for promotion but not getting noticed - don’t just be an ordinary, genuine nice guy towing the line, step out of line a bit, be a rebel and see where that gets you!

Incidentally do we know how many in each category will be promoted? I assume being invited for interview does not necessarily mean promotion is a certain.
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« Reply #35 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 18:14 »
Well there will definitely be at least 1 to SG1 to replace Lee Mason - I personally believe they should promote 3 as there could well be a few more SG1 refs who opt for the specialised VAR route in the not too distant future!

As for SG2, it will depend how many go up to SG1. I think that they will replace those promoted to SG1 plus one more as I personally can't see Scott Duncan making a return!

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« Reply #36 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 18:18 »
All those that are being interviewed, have ranked on the top end of their respective merit tables.

In terms of those that have been suspended previously, I would not be surprised if these matters were brought up at interview-level with it informing further parts of the recruitment/shortlisting process, rather than individuals not being shortlisted for an interview at all - if that makes sense...

Apparently - three are to be promoted to Select Group 2, and two - but potentially three - are to be promoted to Select Group 1.
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« Reply #37 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 18:21 »
It won't happen, of course, but I would like to see no promotions to SG1. In the fulness of time, SG! could gradually be limited to FIFA and ex-FIFA officials. The remainder could operate in SG2, allowing much greater flexibility in appointments for Premier League matches. It would take quite a few years to work its way through, but offers clear (to me, at least) advantages.
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« Reply #38 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 22:10 »
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In which case, would it not have been wise to refrain from making the posts you did?
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« Reply #39 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 22:48 »
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In which case, would it not have been wise to refrain from making the posts you did?


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« Reply #41 on: Sat 05 Jun 2021 23:40 »
Is it only me or does someone else detect a bit of a pattern?
Clattenberg suspended for a few months - comes back, and the rest is history (even ignoring the Ed Sheehan fiasco)
Coote suspended for reasons which never became fully clear - returns to SG2, gets promoted to SG1 and FIFA
Stroud - demoted after 2 years in SG1 - now at 51 being offered a chance to return (age alone makes this staggering)
Madley for the reasons well documented is sacked - returns and looks likely he is now the prodigal son
Drysdale suspended earlier in season - now being interviewed for promotion (at 50 too!)

Maybe a hint to all aspiring for promotion but not getting noticed - don’t just be an ordinary, genuine nice guy towing the line, step out of line a bit, be a rebel and see where that gets you!

Incidentally do we know how many in each category will be promoted? I assume being invited for interview does not necessarily mean promotion is a certain.


A most interesting observation. My take on it is that if someone is "anointed" and adopted by powerful and influential people then they are fireproof. A small slap on the wrist and then full restitution. I suppose naked criminality could not be so easily overlooked ( and in the past there have been senior referees whose criminal records have cast them into the refereeing outer darkness ) but these days, honestly I am not so certain. I suspect only such things as overt racism or sexism would render  someone unfit for office and permanently dismissed. Mind you, Bobby Madley's disgusting behaviour in regard to disabled people appears not to carry the ultimate sanction. I cannot help but wonder if such restitution would have been offered to a humble FL toiler had he made a similar egregious comment. I have my doubts.
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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #42 on: Sun 06 Jun 2021 11:29 »
The referees being interviewed for promotion are the following:

Select Group 2 → Select Group 1
- John Brooks
- Jarred Gillett
- Tony Harrington
- Keith Stroud
- Michael Salisbury

National List → Select Group 2
- Thomas Bramall
- John Busby
- Martin Coy
- Darren Drysdale
- Craig Hicks
- Bobby Madley

My predictions are:
• Jarred Gillett
• Tony Harrington
• John Brooks


• Bobby Madley
• Thomas Bramall
• Martin Coy


What does everyone else think?
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« Reply #43 on: Sun 06 Jun 2021 12:16 »
Well if the clear penalty missed in the last minute(s) to Newport in the L2 playoff final cost Ross Joyce SG2 in 2019, then Bobby Madley will surely miss out this time too.

Without offering thoughts on others, I'd be really chuffed to see Brooks and Salisbury promoted to SG1 personally.
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« Reply #44 on: Sun 06 Jun 2021 13:07 »
T - certainly agree with your SG2 to SG1 - Gillet, Brooks and Harrington all performed well. Salisbury I think is a season too early, yet to be tested fully in Championship. Stroud, as commented elsewhere, great to see him up there but purely from a succession perspective I cannot see what SG1 or he gain from promotion. He will go from 25/30 games a season to 6, get very used to waving a board around, which I think is a waste of his experience.

I also agree that if (big if) the penalty decision in L2 play off was deemed to be wrong then Madley should not be promoted. Likewise, Busby. Hicks looks fairly nailed on.